I'm also not sure what integrity Liverpool FC has actually displayed in recent times if I'm honest.You realise that Utd will lose out on two routes into the CL of the season is voided? I think it’s more likely we will finish at least 5th and we also have the Europa League as an option.
Honestly, we don’t care about Liverpool and what happens to them and whether they are champions or not. obviously if it’s voided, it will be hilarious, and I’ll have a good laugh for approximately 45 seconds and then start dealing with the realities of life.
I’m far more interested in Utd. However, unlike the vast majority of ‘pool fans in here, I’m far more concerned about what’s happening outside of football.
if football could start next month, then everyone would be on board for finishing the season. But if it’s past June before it resumes, it doesn’t makes sense.
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exactly. Their messiah King Kenny is everything that’s wrong with their selfish, self-centered perspective.
If they get given it without playing 38 games it literally doesn't count.
They can have one of those plastic trophies they give to junior teams after a summer tournament.
Nominal champions.
Liverpool fans on here and elsewhere are being affected by this just as much as anybody else. We are all in the same boat. Chatting about football, in the games absence, helps distract a little from the reality of things.You realise that Utd will lose out on two routes into the CL of the season is voided? I think it’s more likely we will finish at least 5th and we also have the Europa League as an option.
Honestly, we don’t care about Liverpool and what happens to them and whether they are champions or not. obviously if it’s voided, it will be hilarious, and I’ll have a good laugh for approximately 45 seconds and then start dealing with the realities of life.
I’m far more interested in Utd. However, unlike the vast majority of ‘pool fans in here, I’m far more concerned about what’s happening outside of football.
if football could start next month, then everyone would be on board for finishing the season. But if it’s past June before it resumes, it doesn’t makes sense.
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After all this thread is to discuss the impact of coronavirus on football and not to cast judgement on how people are dealing with a difficult situation.
United only have themselves to blame for not making CL regardless if it was last year, this year or any previous years.
If a domestic season is rendered null and void, it never happened. As far as Europe is concerned during a null and void season, that's up to UEFA. Whether it be top 6 from the most recent completed season or using UEFA co-efficient club points based on the previous 3 or 5 or however many years/campaigns.
The season was always going to finished. The potential legal and financial ramifications were fairly obvious from the beginning. All the leagues with substantial television deals will finish and any competitions help by UEFA and FIFA will have no choice but to be put on hold.
Honestly, I just want the Premier League to come back in whatever form. It was my main form of passive entertainment and now it's gone. Of course, people's lives are more important but the next couple of months will be brutal.
A good discussion between Gary and Carraghar about the current situation from the pov of football. I agree with most of what's being said here.
Obviously, it depends on a lot of variables, but playing all the matches is the only fair way to decide the season. Even if I'd absolutely love for Liverpool to not get the title, voiding the season would be unfair to them but more importantly hugely unfair to other clubs in good positions. For liverpool, or even a club like Leicester, voiding the season might only hurt them for a season but for clubs currently in relegation places and in the promotion places, it will hurt them for a lot more than a season. But saying that, if all the options are exhausted regarding playing all the matches, voiding the season is the least unfair decision.
Obviously, it depends on a lot of variables, but playing all the matches is the only fair way to decide the season. Even if I'd absolutely love for Liverpool to not get the title, voiding the season would be unfair to them but more importantly hugely unfair to other clubs in good positions. For liverpool, or even a club like Leicester, voiding the season might only hurt them for a season but for clubs currently in relegation places and in the promotion places, it will hurt them for a lot more than a season. But saying that, if all the options are exhausted regarding playing all the matches, voiding the season is the least unfair decision.
Pathetic. Will be glad to see the back of most of you.
I think a desire to finish this season is good. We all have something to play for and it's better to finish the league this way. However what I don't agree with is this "we will ensure we finish this season" nonesense. It's impractical and it potentially ruins a second season of football as well. If the league resumes in July it throws up all sorts of problems with the next season, the window, fixture congestion being an utter mess.
As I've said before, the intelligent thing to do if the disruption is longer, is to curtail the season - wrap it up in lesser games. Maybe make the CL single legged ties. Or have playoffs for key places. And if it gets worse - we resume in October etc screw this season. Everything isn't about this season. The next one doesn't have to suffer for the sake of this one. And I say this as somebody who feels we need CL football. But not out of stupidity.
You know if all goals and assists would be discounted too? Would hate for Greenwood to have to start from scratch.
didn’t we have a ban on ‘pool fans recently? I think that would be the only fair thing to do. It would ensure the integrity of the forum.
seriously though, the amount of newbie Liverpool fans on here spouting the same crap over and over again is bloody annoying.
Surely if we finish this season in order to save repaying this money, and that leads to not playing next season, then the costs would be much higher.
Cost of not playing entire season > than cost of not playing the end of this one.
£762 million is the money for an entire season I thought? In which case it can only be 1/4 of that anyway, the broadcasters won’t be paying back the advertisers or subscription fees they’ve earned showing the 28/29 rounds that have been played already...
Ok let’s say that we push to get the season finished. There’s no European football next season, just domestic football. The Top 4 is different next year.
Who qualified for the Champions League in 2021/2022?
Who qualified for the Champions League in 2021/2022?
Let's get real here.
If the rest of Europe can't finish their leagues as well, then qualification for the next European competitions will be based on the last complete season. It's effectively going to be a replay of 2019/20.
The idea we can finish this season outside of the alloted season just so Liverpool can have a plastic parade is just fantasy. 2019/20 is already null and void. Players unfit already, can't have crowds. Gone.
The pandemic won't be over in time and we'll be extremely lucky to get the new campaign started even by September.
National play off system? Extra rounds.
Whatever, I think this season is done now and next season’s may well have an extraordinary format.
I think a lot of fans on all sides are looking at things from a Premier League centric perspective when there's a lot more at play.
If the season is completed but the Champion's League is not, is it fair to the teams who qualified for the Champion's League last season that they don't get to compete in the competition they earned a right to play in?
What if the other leagues don't resume but the Premier League does, or vice versa? How do you resolve a Champions League with qualifiers from both the 18/19 season and 19/20 season. It gets even more complicated when some of those qualifiers from 18/19 were already eliminated from this season's Champion's league.
There's no doubt Liverpool would have been Premier League winners, but unless the Covid19 crisis is solved quickly (very unlikely) then realistically the Premier League and all other Leagues should be scrapped. Unless of course the Covid19 crisis extends for another 9-10 months in which case the current seasons should be resumed next year from where they left off and we'd end up with a 19/20/21 season followed by a 21/22 season.
If the season is completed but the Champion's League is not, is it fair to the teams who qualified for the Champion's League last season that they don't get to compete in the competition they earned a right to play in?
What if the other leagues don't resume but the Premier League does, or vice versa? How do you resolve a Champions League with qualifiers from both the 18/19 season and 19/20 season. It gets even more complicated when some of those qualifiers from 18/19 were already eliminated from this season's Champion's league.
There's no doubt Liverpool would have been Premier League winners, but unless the Covid19 crisis is solved quickly (very unlikely) then realistically the Premier League and all other Leagues should be scrapped. Unless of course the Covid19 crisis extends for another 9-10 months in which case the current seasons should be resumed next year from where they left off and we'd end up with a 19/20/21 season followed by a 21/22 season.
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They can do what they like and risk contaminating each other unfortunately.Do people seriously think liverpool supporters won't turn up outside the ground in their thousands to add their vocal support when they play ? They don't care about spreading the virus or how many die so long as they can claim "I was there when we won the Premier League Title in 2020".
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I’d be interested to hear your thoughts on this. It’s highly likely that domestic leagues will be back before European competitions so why is there such a push to make sure people qualify this season? Especially seeing that other European leagues are looking to void this season and therefore will not have any qualifying teams to put forward.
I agree with you 100%.
The way I see it, Liverpool loses at least a little no matter what:
Scenario 1: slightly tainted win
We return to the season after a very long break(maybe 4-5 months or more), possibly behind closed doors. It's a mess in terms of injuries(or lack thereof), momentum and the transfer window. Some people will always argue that the circumstances are too different for it to be considered the same season. Particularly because Liverpool was in a bad period before the break. The cherry on top is that the celebrations in Liverpool will have to be toned down significantly because of COVID-19.
Scenario 2: heavily tainted win that many people will not accept
In this scenario Liverpool is just handed the title even though they haven't mathematically won it yet. It's needless to say that a lot of people would not accept this, and it would forever be brought up as "that season". And again: the cherry on top is that the celebrations in Liverpool will have to be toned down significantly because of COVID-19.
Scenario 3: the season is cancelled with no winner
This would probably destroy the scousers. This is the ultimate defeat as things stand now.
Scenario 1: slightly tainted win
We return to the season after a very long break(maybe 4-5 months or more), possibly behind closed doors. It's a mess in terms of injuries(or lack thereof), momentum and the transfer window. Some people will always argue that the circumstances are too different for it to be considered the same season. Particularly because Liverpool was in a bad period before the break. The cherry on top is that the celebrations in Liverpool will have to be toned down significantly because of COVID-19.
Scenario 2: heavily tainted win that many people will not accept
In this scenario Liverpool is just handed the title even though they haven't mathematically won it yet. It's needless to say that a lot of people would not accept this, and it would forever be brought up as "that season". And again: the cherry on top is that the celebrations in Liverpool will have to be toned down significantly because of COVID-19.
Scenario 3: the season is cancelled with no winner
This would probably destroy the scousers. This is the ultimate defeat as things stand now.
I actually disagree, this is the best part of football rivalry and it’s encapsulated in the football forums. Outside of the football forums a lot of our best posters support rival clubs.
No quite right, so I'm not sure why this figure keeps getting bandied around. Sells papers I suppose
Whichever is the fairest way to do it? Maybe add up the results from both season's and take the top four from that?
Relegation and promotion are also important to sort out. It would be ridiculous to deny teams like West Brom and Leeds promotion but then have the likes of Norwich stay in the league for another season.
I'd say that the fairest way to do it is to recgonise that the integrity of this season is completely out the window and it's null and void. The season is restarted as a full season whenever it can be.
Why is that? I can immediately think of at least a few scenarios where it could be aligned - not saying they're all realistic or achievable and I haven't thought them through, but if anything UEFA and the domestic leagues have plenty of time right now to think about all the different options.
In your hypothetical scenario - since there's no European football next year, top 4 this season stands for nothing. The top 4 in 20/21 qualifies for Champions League. Maybe as some sort of compensation, you can split at least the entry money between teams that qualified this season (for nothing) and teams that qualify next season, e.g. Liverpool qualifies in both, gets 100% of entry money, Leicester get 4th this season but Utd gets 4th next season, you guys both get 50% but Utd gets to play CL.
Again, not saying this is even remotely possible, but just wanna point out that there are dozens of different solutions to the problem we're faced with. They all depend on how long this virus is gonna stick around though. What if normal life only resumes by the beginning of next year for example? We just don't know at this point.
If it goes on that far you finish this season and forget about the 20 21 season entirely then pick up 21 22.
Think its trickier if normal life resumes sept/oct time
Again, you can see how far you are having to stretch it just to make it seem marginally fair. By far the most fair and logical step is to void this season and restart it as a full season when possible.
Well... Uefa already said that if you can't complete a league you should consider the ranking as it is.
Meaning last complete turn played.
How is it more logical to pick last season standings rather than this season when you played 3/4 of the leagues through Europe?
In general, I don't have a problem with them - although I do think there's an unnecessary swarm of them in recent years. But this time when Liverpool are finally becoming successful after aeons isnt the best part of the rivalry. It's a short temporary period when we can do without their (and some in particular) nonsense.
But what about the transfer window then? Will there just be one in the summer, during an effectively ongoing season? Would be weird as well, e.g. a top 4 contender could get a lot stronger to finish the same season...
Voiding 75% of a season's work and calling it "fair", yeah okay. You obviously have an entirely different view on the matter than me and that's fine, at least the decision makers seem to agree with me in that we need to do everything possible to finish the season. And yes, I'd say the same if it was Utd instead of Liverpool at the top. It just doesn't make sense to void an almost completed season and it's even more ridiculous to call that "fair for everyone".
Im not sure how we can have a transfer window at the moment. Itl disadvantage Italian teams with the uncertainty in italy no?
We all just know if Liverpool were 2nd now none of them would be stretching things to the point of insanity to come up with ways the league could be finished. It's so shallow and obvious.
If there's a period of two months before next season where the season can be finished, I'm certain it will be, but I just don't see that happening.
If there's a period of two months before next season where the season can be finished, I'm certain it will be, but I just don't see that happening.
Because it's far more nuanced than just "voiding 75% of the seasons work and calling it fair".
Every which way you try to account for one disservice, you create a disservice to someone else. The only truly fair statement you can make is that if you void all matches and start again, everyone is being treated equally under a single rule. There's no making allowances for one club, compensating another and changing the rules so it's a little bit fairer for someone else.
What's the disservice to any club if we finish the season?
Thoughts and prayers with you all over there. It's a tragic situation, stay strong.
Thats nonsense and you know it.
if we were in September and we'd had 6 months without any football then fine, but we are 75% of the way through. It will only take 4 to 5 weeks to finish the season once it is safe to be continued!