SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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They're not panic selling, it's a calculated move. They had insider information and knew when to sell high only to buy back low. Hope them cnuts are persecuted for this.
I know it's probably unfeasable and seen as a curtail of freedoms, but I'd love to see a law that says you can't sell and buy stock in the same company in a calender year.
 

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That’s the impression I have as well, from across the border. I visited Sweden a couple of months ago, made some new friends, and seeing their posts and activity levels, it seems like there’s an air of "don’t let corona ruin your good time, come to the pub!"
That's just crazy, selfish even.
 

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Why are you using emotive and irrelevant words such as `penalise` to describe what could be a logical response to the repercussions we are now seeing of shifting key industries overseas? Regardless of whether it is China.

Many people who have never really got into globalisation issues in any knowledgeable way - not referring to you by the way - have been shocked to the core by the over-reliance of developed countries on China. Sending some key industries to another country thereby giving significant numbers of your own people the message that they are redundant has been behind much of the social incohesion and falling living standards for some time now.

Add to that China`s monopoly on some vital products and goods that developed countries certainly have the expertise and workforce to produce themselves and this health emergency - it becomes clearer. So many vital kinds of prescription medicine are made in China for export to our countries. When supply lines are cut then it becomes like russian roulette. That`s only only one of literally hundreds of examples.

China makes key components of multiple types of machinery including essential medical machinery. We have the expertise in our own countries to do that at both design and workforce levels. This isn`t about getting back at China for a virus - this is a much broader issue that goes to the heart of our current socio-economic systems in our countries.
Mirrors my own view. Mind you in order to correct this imbalance we, in the West, wI’ll have to accept higher prices for many of our goods for let’s be honest the reason production has been outsourced to countries such as China is lower wages. I’m not sure that we will accept higher prices long term. It never ceases to amaze me how quickly mankind selectively forgets when the pocket gets hit.
 

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I live near corner shops takeaways and a park. I've seen lots going to shops with their bags which is understandable however I'm seeing a lot of kids out and about with their mates, on their bikes, kicking footballs. Makes me think why aren't the parents telling their young ones to stay indoors.

The thing is there's a group of people who will blatantly ignore self isolation which makes me think we should have gone into lock down a week ago.

This " oh it's just a flu I'll be fine " malarkey is still in peoples mind.

Unfortunately it's only when we start getting deaths in the 100s/day and Sky report inside a UK ICU that's gone past peak capacity, is is when people will stop and listen.

It's making me so angry.
 

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I just saw the WHO talk about Russia. She said from January the Russians have been quietly been screening passengers and isolating them too. They have been using all methods and not only one. This could be the reason why it's low so far. They have so far tested over 160,000 people and are still testing every day. They are not sure if there is going to be a spike but think it won't be much because from January to here it's enough time to get it under control for them and the more strict they are with the incoming people the better chance they have to control it.
There was a video circulating on the net back in late Jan of a Russian airport where many of the staff were dressed in PPE screening passengers coming through. Does make sense.
 

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No, it's part of the daily briefing.
He himself didnt do yesterdays and on Friday he was talking about going to see his mother.

He himself had no intention of speaking until Monday. Youll never find out the truth but id bet almost everything on it.

He was hounded yesterday for not speaking
 

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The Isle of Man has closed its borders to none residents. Shame our government waited until we have 5 cases before doing so...
 

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He himself didnt do yesterdays and on Friday he was talking about going to see his mother.

He himself had no intention of speaking until Monday. Youll never find out the truth but id bet almost everything on it.

He was hounded yesterday for not speaking
That's why he's probably doing it today then.
 

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Just reading in La Repubblica that we now can no longer leave our Comunes for anything except urgent health reasons or urgent working needs. This is very restrictive for people like us who live in a very small Comune. At least we have one shop!
 

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"A makeshift hospital has been set up in a conference centre in the capital Madrid, a city that is bearing some of the highest infection rates.

The hospital will be fitted with 5,500 beds, making it the biggest facility of its kind in Europe. Its director, Antonio Zapatero, told El Mundo newspaper that 300 people will be move there this weekend.

Earlier we reported on new figures from Spain, which has now seen over 1,700 disease-related deaths since the coronavirus epidemic began."


From the BBC. Should say "moved". I see many articles on the bbc site have spelling mistakes or broken English.
 

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Beyond frustrating
People are dumb. It's not new information, if the government had been clear in it's messaging and implemented the necessary restrictions then things would be a lot better than they are now. If you give people an inch they're going to take a mile, the fact that none of those people are actually breaking the law says it all. They've been allowed to decide for themselves and it's madness when it's a public health concern rather than an individual one.
 

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I`d be interested to know the percentage of those young people who smoke, vape, smoke marijuana and hash, and use shisha pipes.
I heard but can`t confirm it that the Netherlands has such cases of young people - both the legalised drug culture there and Muslim immigrants/their children who use shisha pipes might explain that.
There were also cases last year in the US of vapers becoming very sick - again can`t give the reference but I read a couple of news stories from the US.
This is a no brainier really. We all know the damage chain smoking does to the lungs. This virus is known to absolutely savage the lungs, the two together are a cocktail for bad news. Here in the UK the level of smoking cigs and weed in the current day is actually mind boggling. There’s a dude I work with whos 25 and he’s constantly outside vaping (as in he’s saved in my phone as ‘Vapist’. Unsurprisingly he’s now very ill from corona. This thing may wake people up further to the dangers of smoking, especially young people.
 

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If it came to it I would use the 24hr Tesco during the night, shoould be quiet and it also means they will be restocking shelves during the night as well.

Ive just ordered hand wash and toilet roll from Tesco and im collecting it on the 8th April. Should have enough to do until then, if we arent in lockdown at this stage.
Most if not all stores are shutting between 10pm-6am due to folk having the same idea as you. In our store shoppers were grabbing stuff from the pallets before they even reached the shelf. No need for it, there is plenty and the supply chain is good with deliveries to stores unaffected. It's madness.
 

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At least we've broke step with Italy's death toll, for now. They went from 233 to 366.

After Sunday's activity we could catch up and overtake. Looks like bonfire night around my way this afternoon. So many walking and driving about, not a typical mother's day with a few walkers.
 

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People are dumb. It's not new information, if the government had been clear in it's messaging and implemented the necessary restrictions then things would be a lot better than they are now. If you give people an inch they're going to take a mile, the fact that none of those people are actually breaking the law says it all. They've been allowed to decide for themselves and it's madness when it's a public health concern rather than an individual one.
Yeah, when people don’t see their actions directly negatively effecting the situation, they’ll carry on, unless ordered not to.

The problem with the virus is you may be asymptomatic and have passed it on to plenty in a supermarket/pub/on the train where you’ve been touching the surfaces and indirectly killed dozens, or you may be completely fine and effected no one. The problem is it’s impossible to measure that, and there’s no culpability to the damage you could have done.

Whilst people can still live their lives and feel like they’re not contributing to the pandemic because they’ve got no symptoms, this’ll continue.

We need to take the measures that Italy are. It won’t be until 3-4 weeks time when those who were blasé during the last couple weeks start to realise that they played a part in this when the death numbers spiral
 

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At least we've broke step with Italy's death toll, for now. They went from 233 to 366.

After Sunday's activity we could catch up and overtake.
Spain had a couple days like this at the same point and caught back up the day after. Think you’d have to see three days of more modest growth before you could get hopeful.
 

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Apart from stating the obvious, what has caused all the panic in England? The press? TV?
It is completely normal in Japan.
cost of companies to advertise on news channels and within news programs has gone up 1000%.

Massive $$$ making opportunity for previously dying TV news industry.
 

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UK government is genuinely obsessed with doing it right rather than doing the right thing. Absolute madness going on right now
 

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Get in there. Let's hope it's all downhill from here for Italy.

Good news for us too with cases and deaths down from the expected trend

Summer heat having an effect on the virus (weather is lovely and warm in the UK this weekend)?? Doubt it though, since South East Asia and Africa are on the upwards trend.
 

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So there's these letters going out to 1.5 million people telling them to stay home for 12 weeks.

The gov.uk site includes amongst these "people with cancers of the blood or bone marrow such as leukaemia, lymphoma or myeloma who are at any stage of treatment".

Do you think it's safe to assume that with MPN, which is a much less serious type of blood cancer than those, that I won't be asked to stay home?
 

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Iran's Khamanei refuses US help to fight coronavirus, citing conspiracy theory

Iran's supreme leader refused US assistance on Sunday to fight the new coronavirus, citing an unfounded conspiracy theory that the virus could be man-made by America

Ayatollah Ali Khamenei's comments come as Iran faces crushing US sanctions blocking the country from selling its crude oil and accessing international financial markets.

But while Iranian civilian officials in recent days have increasingly criticized those sanctions, 80-year-old Khamenei instead chose to traffic in the same conspiracy theory increasingly used by Chinese officials about the new virus to deflect blame for the pandemic.

“I do not know how real this accusation is but when it exists, who in their right mind would trust you to bring them medication?" Khamenei said. "Possibly your medicine is a way to spread the virus more.”

He also alleged without offering any evidence that the virus “is specifically built for Iran using the genetic data of Iranians which they have obtained through different means.”

“You might send people as doctors and therapists, maybe they would want to come here and see the effect of the poison they have produced in person," he said

https://www.france24.com/en/2020032...to-fight-coronavirus-citing-conspiracy-theory
 

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Boris’ points here are so mixed, his messaging needs to be tougher and he’s too slow in bringing in tighter measures. It’s quite clear people aren’t listening to social distancing.
 

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Get in there. Let's hope it's all downhill from here for Italy.

Good news for us too with cases and deaths down from the expected trend

Summer heat having an effect on the virus?? Doubt it though, since South East Asia and Africa are on the upwards trend.
It's March.
 

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So stay inside but go out to exercise but only if you keep 2 metres apart... ffs just stop it for 2 weeks now rather than when it’s too late.
 

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Boris’ points here are so mixed, his messaging needs to be tougher and he’s too slow in bringing in tighter measures. It’s quite clear people aren’t listening to social distancing.

“When you’re a clown, nobody takes you seriously.”