SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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I think a seven year old child died of Covid in Brazil today. I'm struggling to validate the sources, and I do not yet know if this should be a worldwide concern or just a random exception, but I nevertheless must share my concerns/advice, as scary and crude as they may be:
- Children can kill their grandparents
- In the (admittedly very low) chance your child may suffer health cmplications...
- She will be alone most of the time. You cannot, like in other paedriatic diseases, accompany your child during internment
- They may get critically ill and die, and you're unlikely to be able to have a 'proper burial', maybe even parents will not be able to attend.

This post is so alarming to the point of seeming embarrassing to me. Yet I still feel is my duty to let you know.

Odds are an interesting thing. One month ago, I would have bet all my spare money that Liverpool will win the Premiership. However, I wouldn't bet my house, nor my mother's health.
These things, however unlikely would be to lose them, are far too important to me. Please think like me when you're handling your friends, children and family.
 

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My mother is in her late 50's, has smoked since her teens and works for a Home Help, so goes to elderly peoples' houses all day, attends to them, does their shopping, returns and moves onto an other elderly person.

Somehow, it only hit me today how scary that prospect is. I asked her if she was still carrying out her job the same as always foolishly assuming she'd say no they've made loads of changes.. she just paused and said 'yeah, mask and gloves' seemingly disappointed that I'd finally realised how dangerous her situation is, as well as the elderly people she's visiting.

As an above comment says, I think we're all starting to think specifically about our loved ones and how they fare.
I'm not a doctor but since the virus broke out in Japan I've been following precautions that are bothersome but if you do them, you cut your chances of getting it.
I know I'm lucky from the point of view that there are many cheap hygienic products here believe it or not. They have 100 yen - 1 dollar Oz, probably 50 p in the UK - stores here. Wet wipes, 3 or 3 pack soaps, etc. As most of us know by know, the virus is a lipid and its coating breaks up under soap even if you don't have alcohol.

I literally deal with hundreds of people in a small office each month for my job. I take my own soap wherever I go, not just to work, plus wet tissues, don't touch handles etc, wipe my individual small office door handle, clean my desk, w and then wash my hands thoroughly when I arrive at work. Tell your mum to take soap around in a plastic container, wet tissues if she has them. I don{t touch elevator buttons directly - carry something around to do it like tissues then throw them away or any small throwaway item like a toothpick.

It's key to clean your hands after you've been in contact with people. I can't do it after each class as I usually have no breaks between.

However, at a break time I follow the drill, on public transport I don't touch a thing and keep away from people. Your mother doesn't have to be in the direct line of people coughing and sneezing. Tell her all she has to do with the folks she helps is explain they all need to be careful and it's nothing personal. As soon as she leaves each home, sanitise hands. Don't bring it into your home - anybody. Tell your mum to have a shower when she arrives home if possible but if not, then wash those hands after wiping the door handles etc she has touched, cleaning her bag etc.
 

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The thick twat...

 

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I think a seven year old child died of Covid in Brazil today. I'm struggling to validate the sources, and I do not yet know if this should be a worldwide concern or just a random exception, but I nevertheless must share my concerns/advice, as scary and crude as they may be:
- Children can kill their grandparents
- In the (admittedly very low) chance your child may suffer health cmplications...
- She will be alone most of the time. You cannot, like in other paedriatic diseases, accompany your child during internment
- They may get critically ill and die, and you're unlikely to be able to have a 'proper burial', maybe even parents will not be able to attend.

This post is so alarming to the point of seeming embarrassing to me. Yet I still feel is my duty to let you know.

Odds are an interesting thing. One month ago, I would have bet all my spare money that Liverpool will win the Premiership. However, I wouldn't bet my house, nor my mother's health.
These things, however unlikely would be to lose them, are far too important to me. Please think like me when you're handling your friends, children and family.
If it is true and the child had no underlying health condition it would be the first U9 to die. So thankfully the risks are much lower for the very young.
 

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Who said that? I'm stating facts not predictions. On average 600,000 people die every year in the UK. A lot of people that die of covid19 would be among the deaths this year without covid19. There would be an overlap, even Patrick Valance admitted this.
This isn't the flu. Stop comparing it to the damn flu.
 

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The global mortality rate is up to 4.35% now..

Even if there are double the number of cases... half people being asymptomatic .. its still well above 2%.. and that is with around 10K people in critical condition .. and hospitals just about reaching full capacity..

It's not getting better anytime soon, is it?
Double? I'd be surprised if there isn't ten times the infection that we've confirmed. People really shouldn't be too focused on the mortality rate. There are much bigger challenges to this virus than that.
 

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I think that’s a bit too black & white. Eventually some form of normality has to come back to life or mentally & economically the country can’t cope at a certain point.

It’s just where that line is, I agree in the near future when safer to do so after everyone is being sensible with social distancing for now is to get those less at risk & not showing symptoms somehow back to normality.

This can’t go on indefinitely
It’s barely started, and it’s WAY too early to be talking about relaxing measure in the near future. Realistically we’re looking at months not weeks of controls, and yes the most vulnerable need to be looked after (in this case mentally vulnerable too), but there’s inevitably going to be hardship ahead that we have to deal with.
 

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The global mortality rate is up to 4.35% now..

Even if there are double the number of cases... half people being asymptomatic .. its still well above 2%.. and that is with around 10K people in critical condition .. and hospitals just about reaching full capacity..

It's not getting better anytime soon, is it?
Sadly I believe that statistics shared by the chinese are most likely false, the true number of the mortality rate will emerge here in Europe.
 

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My housemate has been coughing quite aggressively for the last 20 minutes or so. I can hear her from my room :nervous:
 

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Doesn't really mean a lot this data, most consumers in China's have more than one mobile airtime subscription, you've also got the fact that if you're home bound then you don't need anything else other than WiFi. To try to correlate this to a death count doesn't take the full picture into account.
Also job losses could be a factor. And there's more tha one servie provider (or at least there was back in 2003), so it would need to be checked with the other one too.
 

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Honestly, where did this idea that the Brits love freedom and couldn't cope with being ordered around come from? We're famous for queuing and we're the most surveilled country in the world. We love authoritarianism.

Replace Johnson's daily address with a series of stern but attractive men and women telling us what to do and we'd all be too horny to leave the house anyway.
wants Amber Rudd to call him a naughty boy

edit - not just did steve see this, he had the dignity to pass it up and then called it a stale joke; my humiliation is complete.
 

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Double? I'd be surprised if there isn't ten times the infection that we've confirmed. People really shouldn't be too focused on the mortality rate. There are much bigger challenges to this virus than that.
Agreed
 

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Double? I'd be surprised if there isn't ten times the infection that we've confirmed. People really shouldn't be too focused on the mortality rate. There are much bigger challenges to this virus than that.
I was multiplying the official numbers by 100 to begin with, which puts Britain at about half a million, but more recently I've read some estimates of a million plus in the United Kingdom already. We'll never truly know I guess.

If it really is true that millions already have it globally, it's both good and bad news. The good news is that the CFR is lower than we thought, and that a vast majority of people suffer only mild symptoms.

The bad news is that an awful lot of people will have already unknowingly spread the disease to the vulnerable and will continue to do so.
 

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I was multiplying the official numbers by 100 to begin with, which puts Britain at about half a million, but more recently I've read some estimates of a million plus in the United Kingdom already. We'll never truly know I guess.

If it really is true that millions already have it globally, it's both good and bad news. The good news is that the CFR is lower than we thought, and that a vast majority of people suffer only mild symptoms.

The bad news is that an awful lot of people will have already unknowingly spread the disease to the vulnerable and will continue to do so.
We can do antibody tests later on that will confirm the infection rate fairly accurately.
 
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Does a flatmate count as somebody you live with?

If so, 14 days isolation for you buddy.
Technically yeah I guess. But I have an ensuite, and I don't use any of the shared facilities in the house - which is basically a kitchen.

It's still going btw. She works for the NHS (not a doctor or nurse) so I guess she they are quite likely.
 

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I'm not usually one for conspiracy theories but what does everyone else make of ID2020 and Bill Gates' involvement in it?
As the blurb says on their website:

"The ID2020 Alliance is a global partnership maximizing the potential of digital ID to improve lives"

Thank god for that, they're doing it to improve our lives. Just like the government is "protecting" us now
 

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Technically yeah I guess. But I have an ensuite, and I don't use any of the shared facilities in the house - which is basically a kitchen.

It's still going btw. She works for the NHS (not a doctor or nurse) so I guess she they are quite likely.
Yeah but you use the same entrance and exit presumably? You'll flick the light on and off, touch the door handles. Incidentally, I was paying attention to what I touch in the house and I've fecking gave up after a while -- it started giving an anxiety because I was literally touching fecking everything without realising really.
 

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his maths is wrong isn't it?

it would be more than 14 as you're multiplying the 1.4s and not adding them

don't think it would be much higher though, so the overall point still stands
Mate, my maths is probably the level of a primary school kid. I've no idea. I just assumed he right.
 

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his maths is wrong isn't it?

it would be more than 14 as you're multiplying the 1.4s and not adding them

don't think it would be much higher though, so the overall point still stands
:lol:

That was my first thought, too.

1.4^10 = 29

which is still a hell of a lot better than

3^10 = 59,049
 

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his maths is wrong isn't it?

it would be more than 14 as you're multiplying the 1.4s and not adding them

don't think it would be much higher though, so the overall point still stands
it works for 1.3 (he said 1.3 or 1.4)
 

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his maths is wrong isn't it?

it would be more than 14 as you're multiplying the 1.4s and not adding them

don't think it would be much higher though, so the overall point still stands
He was using 1.3 =13.79
 

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That's the upper estimate of the R0 though.

If the R0 is 2.2 then 10 generations of infection is 2700 people. Though obviously the overall point still stands.
 

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My grandpa, 93 was admitted to hospital on Saturday with a very high temperature. Just had results and he has tested positive for Covid 19. Death sentence most likely :(

Really worried for my mum and dad now who were there to try and help him up when he had collapsed.
So sad to read this. Sorry. These are hard times.