SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

ivaldo

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They might not know. A family member enquired with their GP about increased risk from atrial fibrillation and was told there is none, despite it being present in a quarter of Italian fatalities.
I would be surprised if afib was the only underlying health condition. Isn't it often present with another? That's my (limited) understanding of it.
 

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I would be surprised if afib was the only underlying health condition. Isn't it often present with another? That's my (limited) understanding of it.
It's something that comes with old age. Maybe it's just a coincidence and its other conditions in these elderly patients that's causing the deaths, or maybe it is contributing. Either way, it is still far too early in our understanding of the virus to say that afib is absolutely not a risk factor.
 

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I'm not saying I'm expecting an exhaustive list. I did, in fairness, make it clear there that I understood that in the timeframe available such things weren't possible!

I am here asking for advice more than anything, cause it's very hard to judge these things when it's yourself. I do appreciate yours.
Ah OK. I did jump in half way without reading back so that's my bad. Anyway, I hope it all gets sorted for you swiftly.
 

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28,000 people died from flu in 2014/15 in the UK alone. On average 17000 die on average every year in the UK from flu.
Great. So now we have 17000 who die from the flu and another 17000 who die from coronavirus.

Best to take at least one of them seriously eh?
 

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Apparently their (worldometer's) figures are wildly inaccurate for some reason. NY State have announced around 4,800 new cases today, not over 12k. Still represents an increase though.
Yeah they corrected the figures now. About 8000 cases in the USA today
 

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I don't disagree. Especially with this part towards the end.





This is a Professor of Medicine's opinion. I trust their opinion much more than I trust the opinions of politicians, people in the media and a public in panic mode.
The thing is though that you have to take the amount of people who get it into account. If 40 % of the global population ends up inflected and 0.05 % of those die then you're still looking at burying 1.5 million people.
 

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I do wonder how you enforce that. Say if I'm out having a walk to alleviate the boredom, what's stopping me from just saying that I'm going to shop to get some paracetamol or whatever?
Well the last point says you can go outside as long as you maintain a safe distance from others.
 

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I do wonder how you enforce that. Say if I'm out having a walk to alleviate the boredom, what's stopping me from just saying that I'm going to shop to get some paracetamol or whatever?
I’ve wondered this. Also in many parts of the UK there simply isn’t enough police to enforce these measures.
 

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I do wonder how you enforce that. Say if I'm out having a walk to alleviate the boredom, what's stopping me from just saying that I'm going to shop to get some paracetamol or whatever?
It's the US - they have guns. I can see a story popping up soon - 'I shot him because he was out spreading coronavirus'
 

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They might not know. A family member enquired with their GP about increased risk from atrial fibrillation and was told there is none, despite it being present in a quarter of Italian fatalities.
I would be surprised if afib was the only underlying health condition. Isn't it often present with another? That's my (limited) understanding of it.
It's something that comes with old age. Maybe it's just a coincidence and its other conditions in these elderly patients that's causing the deaths, or maybe it is contributing. Either way, it is still far too early in our understanding of the virus to say that afib is absolutely not a risk factor.
Atrial fibrillation is irregular heart beat. It happens because one of the 4 chambers of the heart the Left atrium is enlarged. It can happen at any age. Most common is older age. Can happen in younger age depending on things like high blood pressure and obesity. Fundamentally what happens is the heart becomes stiff due to previous factors mentioned, and consequently the left atrium over the years becomes bigger than should be, and from there causes irregular heart beat.

So while it may not be primary risk factor described, common sense would indicate it is a marker for heart disease, and that people with it would not do well in general.
 

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I'm just wondering, what's with all these companies suddenly getting in massive trouble if business slows down for 1 or 2 months?

And then people have the nerve to criticize poor people for not having emergency funds.

Sorry, I'm probably being irrational but these things get to me.
 

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Why wouldn't they deliver? Wouldn't that be a profitable model for them these days?
My guess is given how close the cooking stations are to each other they can't keep workers 2m apart
And the lawyers have said they run the risk of being sued by any worker who says they have contracted the disease in working conditions in contravention of public health guidelines
 

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I'm just wondering, what's with all these companies suddenly getting in massive trouble if business slows down for 1 or 2 months?

And then people have the nerve to criticize poor people for not having emergency funds.

Sorry, I'm probably being irrational but these things get to me.

Well even if someone has necessary savings, if they lose a job they'll reduce expenses. Its the same thing with companies. In case of companies, it basically means reducing work hours, delaying projects, tightening the belt etc which in turns leads to job losses.
 

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Wonder if the thundering moron still thinks it's a hoax.
Reading the actual article, he's not actually calling the existence of it a hoax, merely not understanding the massive fear of it when it's "Only" killed a 100 in the US (at the time) versus 1,700 TB deaths.

It's basically a stronger version of all these "ooh flu kills xxxx thousands why is this getting more attention" comments loads on here were making.

He's a believer it's an engineered crisis as governments like crises as they can take liberties away without reproach.

Obviously it's still a ludicrous sentiment for something that is utterly rucking the whole world up right now!
 

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Honestly, where did this idea that the Brits love freedom and couldn't cope with being ordered around come from? We're famous for queuing and we're the most surveilled country in the world. We love authoritarianism.

Replace Johnson's daily address with a series of stern but attractive men and women telling us what to do and we'd all be too horny to leave the house anyway.
 

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I know its hard, but the people who you perceive to be acting idiotic need to be treated differently somehow, because it wont get through. It never does when you want something to change but go about it by insulting someone.

"You're an idiot for voting trump" = trump president
"Youre an idiot wanting brexit" = leave wins
" Youre an idiot for not respecting social distancing" = ???
Yeab if people don't call idiots idiots, then idiots will stop being idiots
 

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Yeah, but that's difficult when it's rammed, eg the pics of the parks today.
No one hopes to get 100% compliance, that doesn't even happen in China or any of the authoritarian countries. If instead you even get 60-70% compliance, especially among higher risk populations, that is a major win.
 

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He wouldn’t have had half the career he’s had without his brother associating the Hitchens name with intellect.
Unfortunately, Christopher's name became almost wholly associated with a kind of militant born-again atheism and support for the Iraq War.
 

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To be fair they should be doing that even without this virus going round.
I dunno, there is something to be celebrated about McDonalds for the working poor.

Lots of calories for little dosh
 

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Honestly, where did this idea that the Brits love freedom and couldn't cope with being ordered around come from? We're famous for queuing and we're the most surveilled country in the world. We love authoritarianism.
We're a mass of contradictions, like all peoples.