SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[Mr Pigeon]

We are all gonna be fecked once this is over, going to be paying astronomical tax and NI for years.

This isn't the time we are financially struggling, it's going to be for years to come.

Yeah, there will be the inevitable recession to look forward to after this. Until then I'll keep spamming my mate with the video of Bernard Black filling out his tax returns.

"WHAT DOES THST MEAN?! If you live in a council flat beside a river but are not...blind WHAT?!"

 

[Jacko21]

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[One Night Only]

Yeah, there will be the inevitable recession to look forward to after this. Until then I'll keep spamming my mate with the video of Bernard Black filling out his tax returns.

"WHAT DOES THST MEAN?! If you live in a council flat beside a river but are not...blind WHAT?!"

Great show! Think I've got it all recorded on sky too! Might binge it this weekend.

Does there actually need to be a recession? And not just stricter caps put in place for gas/leccy/TV license/council tax?

The money we are using now has surely been built up over years, we can do the same again?

I haven't forgiven them for putting VAT up to 20 after lowering it to 15% for about 3 years to help us out, it's been at 20% for God knows how long. Robbing pricks.

 

[redshaw]

Video of a New York hospital lacking equipment. Healthy 30-50 year olds coming in with the virus.

 

[vodrake]

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According to the Department of Health and Social Care, these are only the results from 9am yesterday until 5pm yesterday, not the results from today. Very bad day yesterday

 

[Jacko21]

According to the Department of Health and Social Care, these are only the results from 9am yesterday until 5pm yesterday, not the results from today. Very bad day yesterday

Also worth noting that consent is now required to include a death in the daily figure which obviously affects the timeliness of the reporting.

 

[Utdstar01]

Video of a New York hospital lacking equipment. Healthy 30-50 year olds coming in with the virus.

Such a depressing video to watch. You've got to feel for them.

 

[Utdstar01]

Also worth noting that consent is now required to include a death in the daily figure which obviously affects the timeliness of the reporting.

Could mean these stats are even 2/3 days behind?

 

[Raoul]

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[Rado_N]

I know lives are being ruined but everyone on Twitter complaining they’re not getting money because they’ve been tax avoiding for the past few years via dividend payments instead of taking a wage. Hopefully they have some good savings behind them.

That’s not avoiding tax.

 

[Brwned]

Apparently around 1,400 people die a day in England and Wales which means weekly the numbers are bigger than the overall Covid19 deaths in Italy.

Makes you think.

Begs the question, why are Italy's funeral parlors being overwhelmed when they probably get those type of overall Covid19 death numbers weekly.

Why do you think multiple countries around the world have been building emergency field hospitals? Just for shits and giggles?

 

[Jacko21]

Could mean these stats are even 2/3 days behind?

Yes, potentially.

 

[Withnail]

So they've filmed people who are getting their exercise in what is probably a place much less crowded than outside their houses, got the footage back, edited it and then posted in on Facebook. Wow, essential work that.

None of these people are anywhere near other people. I'm sure local parks are much more crowded. Bizzare stuff

 

[Redlambs]

That’s not avoiding tax.

It's really not, at least not in all cases.


The amount of idiots piping up about things they don't understand...it's just not worth my while getting annoyed at the ignorance in here.

 

[sullydnl]

Italy’s northern Piedmont region said on Thursday that 50 people had died there from coronavirus in the last 24 hours, numbers which were omitted from the national tally released by the Civil Protection Agency because they arrived too late.

The omission means that daily deaths amounted to 712 on Thursday rather than the 662 officially reported, and marked an increase from the 683 registered the previous day.

Total deaths since the start of the outbreak are therefore 8,215, rather than the 8,165 reported.

 

[duffer]

That’s not avoiding tax.

Why do people do it then? (I'm not self-employed so don't know. Genuinely thought people took dividends to lessen the tax bill).

 

[nooshka]

After listening to the chancellor speak I’m desperate for some advice if anyone can help?

Basically theres a lad who‘s worked for me for 5 years, did his apprenticship and got qualified then 2 months ago wanted to go self employed so that he could do a couple of small jobs for himself and earn a bit more money while also sub contracting to me. Am I now right I thinking that because he’s no longer employed and doesn’t have a 2019 tax return he’s entitled to neither the 80% furlough pay or the 80% allowance for the self employed? If so what other ways has he got of getting any sort of financial help? If anyone has got any info then please let me know.

 

[duffer]

After listening to the chancellor speak I’m desperate for some advice if anyone can help?

Basically theres a lad who‘s worked for me for 5 years, did his apprenticship and got qualified then 2 months ago wanted to go self employed so that he could do a couple of small jobs for himself and earn a bit more money while also sub contracting to me. Am I now right I thinking that because he’s no longer employed and doesn’t have a 2019 tax return he’s entitled to neither the 80% furlough pay or the 80% allowance for the self employed? If so what other ways has he got of getting any sort of financial help? If anyone has got any info then please let me know.

I don't know the answer but there's going to be 1000s of people who fall through the cracks and get shafted. Hopefully he's not one of them.

 

[DoomSlayer]

@DoomSlayer, what's happening to you and yours?

We were having extreme financial difficulties in our business due to external factors, outside of legality and fair competition.

This is basically crushing us. Our area was trading, manufacturing and transport work. The work was keeping us afloat for the most part, but now everything is stopping, our trade partners cannot pay, we have previous debts that we can't realistically collect.

And on top of that my country is fecked on a government level since nobody is actually going to help because it favours the monopolists on the market to become even stronger in the future, and those "players" have deep ties and connections everywhere, resources behind them that they are enabled by the system to save, whilst smaller or medium-sized enterprises like ours are left to survive against all odds.

It's an even longer story than that, but basically we have no means left to provide for ourselves and keep up with all the bills, mortgages, lease and loan payments. It's a nightmare.

 

[Redlambs]

Why do people do it then? (I'm not self-employed so don't know. Genuinely thought people took dividends to lessen the tax bill).

In my case it's because cash flow isn't consistent, so I can't always pay a set wage. Plus it's freedom to allow the business to retain money when it needs to and pay out when it can.

People who don't know any better think it's all about loopholes and avoidance, and as such are now acting like typical FB twats ranting and raving and not caring about reality. Like we are all massive companies paying 1% at best.


That's not to say people aren't fiddling figures, but for fecks sake we all aren't.

 

[duffer]

That's not to say people aren't fiddling figures, but we all fecking don't.

I do kinda assume most self-employed people fiddle their books, not just because almost all tradesmen I've used have offered me a "discount for cash" but also because I'm absolutely certain I'd so the same to some extent.

 

[Hansa]

None of these people are anywhere near other people. I'm sure local parks are much more crowded. Bizzare stuff

It's the travel bit. At a time when almost all medical resources are geared towards the pandemic, random accidents elsewhere are not appreciated. A broken foot up in the hills, a car crash on the way home, and so on.

 

[arnie_ni]

Why do people do it then? (I'm not self-employed so don't know. Genuinely thought people took dividends to lessen the tax bill).

Its cheaper tax for the director/employee but the company pays more corporation tax with a dividend compared to salary.

The overall difference to hmrc isn't that much.

 

[Rado_N]

Why do people do it then? (I'm not self-employed so don't know. Genuinely thought people took dividends to lessen the tax bill).

They’ll pay lower rates of tax but it’s not tax avoidance which generally refers to contrived arrangements with the sole intention of sheltering income from tax.

Company shareholders receive dividends based on the performance of the company they own. It’s a perfectly reasonable setup and implying they’re doing something wrong is unfair.

 

[arnie_ni]

After listening to the chancellor speak I’m desperate for some advice if anyone can help?

Basically theres a lad who‘s worked for me for 5 years, did his apprenticship and got qualified then 2 months ago wanted to go self employed so that he could do a couple of small jobs for himself and earn a bit more money while also sub contracting to me. Am I now right I thinking that because he’s no longer employed and doesn’t have a 2019 tax return he’s entitled to neither the 80% furlough pay or the 80% allowance for the self employed? If so what other ways has he got of getting any sort of financial help? If anyone has got any info then please let me know.

Yea hes caught badly. All he can do is universal credit, 95 per week.

At the minute anyway

 

[Fiskey]

In my case it's because cash flow isn't consistent, so I can't always pay a set wage. Plus it's freedom to allow the business to retain money when it needs to and pay out when it can.

People who don't know any better think it's all about loopholes and avoidance, and as such are now acting like typical FB twats ranting and raving and not caring about reality. Like we are all massive companies paying 1% at best.


That's not to say people aren't fiddling figures, but for fecks sake we all aren't.

This. My revenue is so lumpy that I keep ongoing costs at a minimum.

 

[sullydnl]

Also worth noting that consent is now required to include a death in the daily figure which obviously affects the timeliness of the reporting.

More to the point, what happens if consent isn't given? Are the public just not told about those deaths?

 

[Redlambs]

I do kinda assume most self-employed people fiddle their books, not just because almost all tradesmen I've used have offered me a "discount for cash" but also because I'm absolutely certain I'd so the same to some extent.

That's different to people with ltd companies paying dividends.

But people of course do all those things, but even with them, there's still negatives and not much difference overall. And his comment about "bringing things more into line" is more Tory shite about to shaft people, and yet those who have no clue seem to think it's actually a good thing like it will benefit them in any way!

 

[duffer]

More to the point, what happens if consent isn't given? Are the public just not told about those deaths?

Strange that they need consent if they've giving literally no info other than "1 more person died".

 

[redshaw]

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Nearly 8k tested

 

[Penna]

@Dancfc, when someone dies here in Italy (in normal times), the body rests for one night at home and then the funeral is within one or two days of the death. Everyone visits the house and pays their respects the day before the funeral. Most people are interred in niches in big walls in the cemeteries, cremation is not the most popular way of dealing with a body by any means.

Now with the virus victims, the bodies can't go home, so the funeral directors have to deal with it. The cemeteries are full, the funeral directors have to take special measures to avoid infection. There aren't refrigeration facilities in most funeral directors because bodies are normally buried very quickly. there aren't many crematoria so bodies are having to be transported out of the area where they died..

The funeral director will be geared-up to handle the number of deaths they'd normally get at any particular time of year. They're still getting those, but now they're also getting all the virus victims too. It's easy to see why they're completely overwhelmed.

 

[Redlambs]

They’ll pay lower rates of tax but it’s not tax avoidance which generally refers to contrived arrangements with the sole intention of sheltering income from tax.

Company shareholders receive dividends based on the performance of the company they own. It’s a perfectly reasonable setup and implying they’re doing something wrong is unfair.

I don't blame people for not knowing, but the reactions based on the ignorance...well...

(obviously not aimed at you @duffer )

 

[Ian Reus]

Peru.
Extension of lockdown, quarantine and curfew until 12th April.

 

[Redlambs]

This. My revenue is so lumpy that I keep ongoing costs at a minimum.

Exactly. And I get nice fat tax bills 5 times a year.


But hey, it's all rosy and now we'll get what we deserve for all these years of raking it in and hiding our cash under our mattresses!

 

[madzo2007]

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Surreal seeing Belfast in particular so empty

 

[duffer]

I don't blame people for not knowing, but the reactions based on the ignorance...well...

(obviously not aimed at you @duffer )

I'll happily admit to being ignorant but certainly have not thrown any stones!

People think tax-dodgers are getting bitten in the arse and are gloating. I'm not much of a gloater about this sort of thing, bit too serious.

 

[UweBein]

Yes, designed from scratch and they aim to start production next week. A consortium led by Airbus is also waiting for permission to start manufacturing an existing design in the same time frame.

I remember everybody being insistent it would take months.

Question is: how reliable are they? I mean if a ventilator fails....
But I guess they are good enough for some countries that are in dire need.

 

[Wal2Fra]

France +24h
Cases: 29155 (3375 critical condition) +3922
Deaths:1696 +365

A 16 year old is one of those who has died.

A military hospital has been built in the past few days and I believe is operational in Mulhouse (the East) due to the overflow of patients in their hospital and a train transferred 20 patients from Strasbourg to the pays de la loire region (the region including cities such as Nantes and Angers) earlier today to reduce the workload in Strausbourg.

 

[Eriku]

Yeah, there will be the inevitable recession to look forward to after this. Until then I'll keep spamming my mate with the video of Bernard Black filling out his tax returns.

"WHAT DOES THST MEAN?! If you live in a council flat beside a river but are not...blind WHAT?!"

Yeah, those kinds of forms freak me out. I totally understand the impulse to turn them into a rather smart jacket instead.

 

[Redlambs]

I'll happily admit to being ignorant but certainly have not thrown any stones!

People think tax-dodgers are getting bitten in the arse and are gloating. I'm not much of a gloater about this sort of thing, bit too serious.

I know you haven't, those are fair questions mate

But this is the thing though, it's not the tax dodgers who ultimately suffer. And people need to remember they are siding with a Tory government on these things right now. If you want to look at being bitten in the arse, let's wait and see the outcome here...