SARS vaccine failed, MERS too. We have never had any luck with the common cold. Not much success at fighting any corona virus with vaccines so I wonder where you are getting your optimism about a vaccine from?
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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They are awful, especially after being forced to go to work because we are essential to keeping the economy going.
Maybe that's all they could afford?
I'm no fan of the royals, but i'm intrigued by why people think the 1st in line to the throne is treated differently to some random.
He's 1 guy.
It's much easier to get him a test then millions of NHS workers!
I wonder if people genuinely wonder why the guy leading our country and the chief medical advisers running our emergency policy shouldn't have them too!
They are all corona virus. I think you mean Covid-19 is different but I doubt you actually know that to be true. SARS vaccine was trialed on animals but had too many nasty side effects it was deemed not sensible to go to human trials. Covid-19 may skip animal trials.... Im sorry but I would not be a guinea pig on that. Has any corona vaccine ever worked?
When Italy started to see their health service stretched last week and Sky News went in to a few of their hospitals to show the world what was happening, I thought that was a great way to spread the message to the UK and the world.
Based on the FT log graph we are on the same trajectory as Italy. The last few days we've hit triple figures and Sky News (this isn't a pop at them) don't seem to be posting much with regard to our Dr's and Hospitals in the same way they did for Italy. Please correct me if I have not seen this.
Is it the case of they don't want to scare the public, or don't have permissions?
I just feel that for the dickheads out there sunbathing or having bbq's whatever it may be, they really need a reality check.
Based on the FT log graph we are on the same trajectory as Italy. The last few days we've hit triple figures and Sky News (this isn't a pop at them) don't seem to be posting much with regard to our Dr's and Hospitals in the same way they did for Italy. Please correct me if I have not seen this.
Is it the case of they don't want to scare the public, or don't have permissions?
I just feel that for the dickheads out there sunbathing or having bbq's whatever it may be, they really need a reality check.
Naw, he was very suave looking could tell he had money, that made him seem more of a prick
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Deaths rising 13 or 14 percent every day
There are coronavirus vaccines available for dogs and cats which work. The only reason we haven't got anything for humans is because it's not financially viable for drug companies. Covid19 is different though, the sales of the drug will be on the billions of units so there will be a vaccine not too far away.
Damn.
Someone was posting earlier that a lot of people are aimlessly hanging out in supermarkets to the point where some people are getting banned by shops.
Actually not only them but a lot more too. It's the same in warfare. Normal privates get killed while Generals have bodyguards etc. The actual fighting is done by the ordinary soldiers.
To me it's utterly stupid for Bojo and Prince Charles and The Queen to be even think of meeting people and shake hands or be in close proximity.
There is utter confusion in the management of this. This is where the mess is.
The common cold is due to many different viruses some which we still haven't discovered. The majority of common colds are due to rhinoviruses which are stupid hard to find a vaccine for.
That's seems a bit of stretch, Charles is nothing more than a pointless celebrity living off state benefits and Boris is a elected official. There's a massive difference imo. Also while it's easier to test one person than millions of Nhs workers, doesn't mean it should be the option we chose.
Now having all of that I don't think we should have tested Boris, at least not this early anyway. He did after all say we'd have to take this one on the chin. At least give him a couple of rounds against the virus.
"Personal judgement", "in my opinion", what a load of shite.
Wouldn’t surprise me this crisis really is showing the worst of society
Im pretty sure there would have been serious money in SARS and MERS. SARS went through animal testing and was shelved due to adverse affects. I don't share your confidence i'm afraid.
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There has been a lot of talk about death rates, infection rates and the current situation.
In Norway there is now some debate about food supply and how much we will be able to supply ourselves with. Grain from the US might be a problem if things get really bad there etc. It all depends a lot on how long countries locks down. For example in Norway normally there is an influx of workers from various nations that come and work with food production at large farms. Here, in a good year we can propably supply ourselves with 2/3 of the grain needed, vegetables depends on workforce and we maybe will have to train the people that have lost their jobs to work with his. Other problems might be certain ingredients, medicines etc that is necessary. There is no control over this situation right now as far as I can see, and from being very self supplied we have gone more and more towards international commerce to supply the market with food products. We will at least have a lot of potatoes, onions and cabbage
This is also a situation I think a lot of nations are not prepared for. Hopefully it does not get too bad.
How is this situation in the UK and other nations? Are you self-supplied if this situation continues until autumn?
In Norway there is now some debate about food supply and how much we will be able to supply ourselves with. Grain from the US might be a problem if things get really bad there etc. It all depends a lot on how long countries locks down. For example in Norway normally there is an influx of workers from various nations that come and work with food production at large farms. Here, in a good year we can propably supply ourselves with 2/3 of the grain needed, vegetables depends on workforce and we maybe will have to train the people that have lost their jobs to work with his. Other problems might be certain ingredients, medicines etc that is necessary. There is no control over this situation right now as far as I can see, and from being very self supplied we have gone more and more towards international commerce to supply the market with food products. We will at least have a lot of potatoes, onions and cabbage
This is also a situation I think a lot of nations are not prepared for. Hopefully it does not get too bad.How is this situation in the UK and other nations? Are you self-supplied if this situation continues until autumn?
Frightening.
What’s a ‘non browser’? Just limited to delivery service?
It doesn't seem to be mutating very fast despite being an RNA virus (can't fix errors in the way DNA can) so a vaccine would likely be of great help for a year or two at least allowing time to adjust the vaccine as new strains become more common.
Is someone able to update me, I'm still a bit confused. Has it been confirmed that this is no longer mutating and the scientists at least know what they are dealing with? Obviously I mean that for treatment/vaccine because I thought the original difficulty was also they were concerned it kept changing and was a different strand almost every time
Mutations are most likely to make no difference to how it operates or make it milder, as viruses that are more deadly reproduce less than those that are milder.
If we find an anti-viral that works we could probably do with more than one as viruses can become resistant quite quickly.
If we do get a vaccine mass vaccination programs tend to speed up mutation by targetting the main strain, as happens to some degree with flu. The small % not prevented by the vaccine becomes the dominant strain. Testing kits might need to be adjusted as well.
So at the moment, with limited information, it seems that mutation isn't a huge concern at the moment.
Don't walk around the store just looking at stuff.
Definitely, but expected. The prognosis was always, for most countries, a surge in awfulness before peak and then dip/slide.
It's been an eye-opener. Countries think they're prepared for everything, and a flu-like virus is decimating them all. Imagine if this was an indiscriminate killer like the Black Plague that was taking out toddlers, babies, teens, adults, middle-agers and pensioners indiscriminately. We would genuinely be in danger of extinction.
The world needs to wake up, bigtime, after this.
Definitely the latter, that video was very sobering last Saturday and we’re definitely on the same path as Italy. The only hope is that the field hospital effort has been done early enough to manage the capacity, the million dollar question will be around ventilators.
Thankfully, there's always the coastline with its resources, so we should be okay.We will at least have a lot of potatoes, onions and cabbage
Sky News were pushing the 10th case FT log graph with UK tracking with Italy but this other graph and real numbers are more accurate and shows where we know China was, Spain is, Italy etc.
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UK Dates | UK Deaths | Italy Dates | Italy Deaths | Spain Dates | Spain Deaths | France Dates | France Deaths |
March 8th | 3 | Feb 23rd | 3 | March 5th | 3 | March 2nd | 3 |
March 9th | 5 | Feb 24th | 7 | March 6th | 8 | March 3rd | 4 |
March 10th | 6 | Feb 25th | 11 | March 7th | 10 | March 4th | 4 |
March 11th | 8 | Feb 26th | 12 | March 8th | 17 | March 5th | 7 |
March 12th | 10 | Feb 27th | 17 | March 9th | 30 | March 6th | 9 |
March 13th | 11 | Feb 28th | 21 | March 10th | 36 | March 7th | 16 |
March 14th | 21 | Feb 29th | 29 | March 11th | 55 | March 8th | 19 |
March 15th | 35 | March 1st | 41 | March 12th | 86 | March 9th | 30 |
March 16th | 55 | March 2nd | 52 | March 13th | 133 | March 10th | 33 |
March 17th | 71 | March 3rd | 79 | March 14th | 196 | March 11th | 48 |
March 18th | 104 | March 4th | 107 | March 15th | 294 | March 12th | 61 |
March 19th | 144 | March 5th | 148 | March 16th | 342 | March 13th | 79 |
March 20th | 177 | March 6th | 197 | March 17th | 533 | March 14th | 91 |
March 21st | 233 | March 7th | 233 | March 18th | 638 | March 15th | 127 |
March 22nd | 281 | March 8th | 366 | March 19th | 833 | March 16th | 148 |
March 23rd | 335 | March 9th | 463 | March 20th | 1,093 | March 17th | 175 |
March 24th | 422 | March 10th | 631 | March 21st | 1,381 | March 18th | 244 |
March 25th | 468 | March 11th | 827 | March 22nd | 1,813 | March 19th | 372 |
March 26th | 578 | March 12th | 1,016 | March 23rd | 2,207 | March 20th | 450 |
March 27th | 759 | March 13th | 1,266 | March 24th | 2,696 | March 21st | 562 |
| | March 14th | 1,441 | March 25th | 3,434 | March 22nd | 674 |
| | March 15th | 1,809 | March 26th | 4,145 | March 23rd | 860 |
| | March 16th | 2,158 | March 27th | 4,858 | March 24th | 1100 |
| | March 17th | 2,503 | | | March 25th | 1331 |
| | | | | | March 26th | 1,696 |
I suspect with our poor resources and less ICU than Italy we could be worse than Italy or start to track them but we aren't currently.
True that! I am glad I like fish
It's a broken country, indeed. Society's faith in our politicians has probably never been lower, and rightfully so.
Yeah they probably are overworked, and it must be hard to remember to always keep a 2m distance from people over an 8+ hour shift.
From the little i've experienced it the staff in most places seem to be really professional about it all. The only problems i have seen is some customers who can't or won't get on board with it. On monday before i finished work i was in a garage with about 12-15 people all queuing 2m apart right to the front door. Then in waltzes one guy undeterred by everyone else complying with the social distancing, walks past everyone and butts in front of a lady about to be served and throws £40 on the counter and says diesel pump 6.
Tosser.To be fair the queues are probably so long because people are going everyday just to get out of the house in stead of going once and getting everything they need for the week, like normal people have done for decades.
Interesting story about USA jockey Javier Castellano getting tested for Covid-19 but only as part of medical protocols to be able to ride at Gulfstream Park, came back positive, he has no idea as he was asymptomatic, jogged three miles the previous day, etc.
How many of us are there like this, and how much of the disease are we spreading whilst totally unaware.
How many of us are there like this, and how much of the disease are we spreading whilst totally unaware.
Why is this graph more accurate?
Scary. Also since some people seem to be contagious for a long period. In some cases 3-4 weeks or more. I don't know if thats the case with these asymptomatic infected though. I think WHO is correct in that there needs to be extensive testing.
It would be difficult for him to pass it on just by running past someone. If he stopped and talked to someone for five minutes and stood close to them, yes.
Something like 80 to 90 percent of cases in China were spread in the homes. Because we breathe it out and it hangs in the air or it drops onto surfaces.
I don't know, I feel like our government is still doing a lot better than several other countries. It seems like they've been taking the right decisions when needed.
There needs to be a total population antibody test, then the picture will be so much clearer, no recriminations from me that it isn't there yet as that is unrealistic, but hopefully it is close, as this is the only thing that will make things clear, and perhaps allow normality to resume in the short term.
I'm starting to believe a lot more people than we think have or have had this virus with little or no symptoms whatsoever.