SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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If this continues into June and I’m feeling secure about my job (I’m a manager in financial planning so I’d think my job should be fairly secure all things considered, we are going to be needed in the upcoming months I guess) I will be looking out for any of my friends or relatives who need some financial help. One of my friends is running a food truck business and they are on the verge of a collapse already, it’s going to get even worse with time so I’ll probably try to subside him for a while. Maybe buy a share of business but without any profit (e.g. a share of his profit after he’s back functioning but only until debt is paid off). I almost feel guilty that I’m still making good salary while so many are struggling.
Good on you mate.
 

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This woman on BBC News tearing into the British government for not coming and rescuing her from the yoga retreat she thought it would be a good idea to go on in the middle of March.

Some people are so lacking in general self awareness it staggers me.
 

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Stay safe man. I don’t personally know what you’re going through, but I can see it when my wife gets home. Stay as rested as you can and make sure you’re minding your PPE. She’s off today, and will be interested in what you’ve said here, so I’ll show this post to her once she’s up.
Thank mate! Hope your wife has a good day off! She deserves it! Would be intersting to hear how its going for her too!
 

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If this continues into June and I’m feeling secure about my job (I’m a manager in financial planning so I’d think my job should be fairly secure all things considered, we are going to be needed in the upcoming months I guess) I will be looking out for any of my friends or relatives who need some financial help. One of my friends is running a food truck business and they are on the verge of a collapse already, it’s going to get even worse with time so I’ll probably try to subside him for a while. Maybe buy a share of business but without any profit (e.g. a share of his profit after he’s back functioning but only until debt is paid off). I almost feel guilty that I’m still making good salary while so many are struggling.
Wouldnt a food truck business be doing more work than usual with the panic buying etc?

Not being nosey just shocked at that business taking a hit.

Unless you mean like a burger van idea which yea i get
 

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This woman on BBC News tearing into the British government for not coming and rescuing her from the yoga retreat she thought it would be a good idea to go on in the middle of March.

Some people are so lacking in general self awareness it staggers me.
Moron deserves it. You've made your bed, now lie in it.
 

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Michigan, Illinois, and Florida recently had elections.
Florida also recently had spring break, and Chicago is one of the more ‘urbanized‘ cities not on the NE seaboard as they tend to sprawl out as you head west (except for places like San Fran). It was expected.

Detroit is still an outlier, and it makes me wonder if underlying factors are playing a part; like the city being in decline and all that goes along with that.
 

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This woman on BBC News tearing into the British government for not coming and rescuing her from the yoga retreat she thought it would be a good idea to go on in the middle of March. Some people are so lacking in general self awareness it staggers me.
A useful idiot, considering the narrative from No. 10 seems to be: 'Never mind our glaring errors - just look at how irresponsible the public are!'
 

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Wouldnt a food truck business be doing more work than usual with the panic buying etc?

Not being nosey just shocked at that business taking a hit.

Unless you mean like a burger van idea which yea i get
He’s reliant on tourists and regular folk walking around the Jewish district where his food truck is located. Due to nature of his business (he makes chimney cakes) he cannot deliver them as they are only good to eat on the spot. There are no tourists as borders are locked and people are not allowed to casually go for walks either, especially around the touristic sites - most go for walks around where they live and few people live there. His food truck isn’t mobile either so he can’t take it to a place where more people live either. He’s basically selling 5-10% of what he used to and will have to close soon.
 

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He’s reliant on tourists and regular folk walking around the Jewish district where his food truck is located. Due to nature of his business (he makes chimney cakes) he cannot deliver them as they are only good to eat on the spot. There are no tourists as borders are locked and people are not allowed to casually go for walks either, especially around the touristic sites - most go for walks around where they live and few people live there. He’s basically selling 5-10% of what he used to and will have to close soon.
Sucks for those people. Is there no government help in his country?
 

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Everybody knows that lockdowns can't go on in the long run, but the initial phase is absolutely necessary in order to buy some time, analyze the data and figure out: "What kind of disease are we dealing with here? How can we tailor the next phase to fit in with our society and demographics?" In an ideal world, we would have locked every at-risk person inside a hotel with doctors and nurses for three months while the rest of us actively tried to get infected, but that ship has already sailed.
Yeah I'm not sure what @Pagh Wraith is referring to but the UK model that's informing the current policy predicts a huge 2nd wave after the restrictions are removed, because they will be removed before a vaccine is ready. The healthcare system will be overwhelmed, in every scenario predicted. It's just a case of being as prepared for it as possible, while trying to balance the social, economic and other health impacts. No-one is unaware that the social, economic and other health impacts of the current policies are significant.

This is the model from Imperial a couple of weeks ago, before the lockdown started. I'm sure the models informing other governments follow the same theme, just with variations on critical care capacity.

 

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Fauci expects between 100k and 200k deaths in the US.

Yesterday, when asked why he is not cutting Trump’s bullshit (specifically that the ban to China saved thousands of lives) he answered ‘what do you expect me to do, let’s be real’.

It seems that he has had enough of the moron in chief.
 

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Italy gets help today of a contingent of doctors and nurses from Albania. We've had help from China, Russia, Cuba and Albania - real pattern emerging there from the comrades!
 

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The problem with the "herd immunity" approach was never that it wouldn't be useful to have a large percentage of the population become immune.

The issues were:

1) We had and maybe still have little reliable information on how likely people are to become infected a second time, which is a pretty huge issue if you're desperately depending on them not doing so.

2) Even countries that were trying their best to suppress the virus were seeing their healthcare systems get overwhelmed, so a more laissez faire approach with the specific aim of building herd immunity would have been a disaster in the short/medium term.

I mean it's fine for whatever scientists to point out that herd immunity would be very useful if immunity works that way in this particular case but I'm not sure what impact that idea is supposed to have on current policy given a health system like the UK's is about to get overrun as is. Of all the problems you're facing right now, a lack of infected patients really isn't one.
This. I can’t understand anyone being anti lockdown. Lockdown isn’t to stop everyone catching this virus and anyone that sees it that way are unbelievably stupid. The lockdown is purely to stop everyone catching it at once.

We can all see how infectious it is and anything that can cause serious viral pneumonia should be feared and respected.

If this virus was let loose on the world population all at once without any kind of control we would be looking at huge levels of fatalities. Every healthcare system in the world would be overrun and most likely most healthcare systems would collapse due to most healthcare workers either falling ill or worse.

Ultimately I do believe we’re going to have build herd immunity, I think that’s inevitable but every country has gone into lockdown for exactly the same reasons.Any time we can buy until a vaccine is developed and tested is a good thing.


Lockdown is clearly difficult for a lot of people but I believe it’s entirely necessary. For once, I agree with Boris. Stay at home, relieve pressure on the NHS, save lives. It couldn’t be clearer.
 

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Yeah I don't really follow the logic either.

I'm also not sure why continued isolation will put more pressure on the health services or am I reading that wrong?
I could be wrong but I assume the reasoning is that the more people who have had the virus and recovered; the less chance there is in bumping into someone contagious in a months time.

however that doesn’t work IF you can catch it more than once
 

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I could be wrong but I assume the reasoning is that the more people who have had the virus and recovered; the less chance there is in bumping into someone contagious in a months time.

however that doesn’t work IF you can catch it more than once
Which there is recorded cases of people catching it a second time.
 

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Which there is recorded cases of people catching it a second time.
We don't fully know if they caught it for the second time, or it was simply a false negative the first time they did the testing.

We also don't know how bad is the second time. If the body has antibodies, the virus might be less effective and so less contagious.
 

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Sucks for those people. Is there no government help in his country?
Very limited now. They will be subsiding some salaries, they will defer tax and social security payments but you will still have to settle them after 3 months in one go. They are trying but because they’ve made an obscene amount of social payments over the last 5 years to basically buy votes, there’s really no money left to help businesses.

We have a ton of shared service centers in Kraków for foreign businesses, they might be cutting some jobs as well but then again some may try to migrate even more processes from UK/Germany as cost is much lower. I don’t really know where it will go. The company I work for is in retail and direct selling which usually does quite well during crises but people having less money will obviously impact us as well. My wife works for Heineken and they will obviously take a hit with pubs closing. Opposite of my streets there’s Shell who will be impacted as well, and I had a job offer from IAG a while ago - I imagine they’ll be cutting positions shortly if they aren’t already.
 

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We don't fully know if they caught it for the second time, or it was simply a false negative the first time they did the testing.

We also don't know how bad is the second time. If the body has antibodies, the virus might be less effective and so less contagious.
To be fair we’ve had 700k cases and a maybe 4 stories of people testing positive again after getting negative after illness. Tests are imperfect at this point so it’s more than likely it’s a false negative. Chances are you become fully or partly immune once you’ve had it.
 

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A sad story from Germany - just shows how much these pressures can affect people who aren't actually working in healthcare, but nonetheless have big responsibilities.
Thomas Schäfer, the finance minister of Germany's Hesse state, has committed suicide apparently after becoming "deeply worried" over how to cope with the economic fallout from the coronavirus, state premier Volker Bouffier said Sunday.

Schaefer, 54, was found dead near a railway track on Saturday.

The Wiesbaden prosecution's office said they believe he died by suicide.

"We are in shock, we are in disbelief and above all we are immensely sad," Bouffier said in a recorded statement.

Hesse is home to Germany's financial capital Frankfurt, where major lenders like Deutsche Bank and Commerzbank have their headquarters.

The European Central Bank is also located in Frankfurt.

A visibly shaken Bouffier recalled that Schaefer, who was Hesse's finance chief for 10 years, had been working "day and night" to help companies and workers deal with the economic impact of the pandemic.

"Today we have to assume that he was deeply worried," said Bouffier, a close ally of Chancellor Angela Merkel.

"It's precisely during this difficult time that we would have needed someone like him," he added.

Popular and well-respected, Schaefer had long been touted as a possible successor to Bouffier. Like Bouffier, Schaefer belonged to Merkel's centre-right CDU party. He leaves behind a wife and two children.
https://www.thelocal.de/20200329/german-minister-commits-suicide-due-to-coronavirus-worries
 

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Young people dying are still statistical outliers. If you're young and you have no underlying health issues, I'm not sure what there is to "shite scared" about. Do you live your life in fear of all improbable events? Respect the situation, take all necessary and proportional precautions, but don't become irrational. We are going to require young, healthy people to lead the volunteering effort.
Being shite scared isn’t irrational though. This is a disease that can and does kill young, healthy people. Never mind the much higher % of young, healthy people who will only pull through after being ventilated, with severely scarred/fibrotic lungs that might never regain normal function. Lung damage aside, people with very mild symptom are frequently losing their sense of smell and taste and the jury’s out about whether it will ever return to normal.

Everybody should be shite scared of catching this damn thing. Which is no bad thing, as fear is a powerful motivator. I’d much rather young people live their lives in fear of the virus than mistakenly thinking their own health isn’t really at risk.
 

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Being shite scared isn’t irrational though. This is a disease that can and does kill young, healthy people. Never mind the much higher % of young, healthy people who will only pull through after being ventilated, with severely scarred/fibrotic lungs that might never regain normal function. Everybody should be shite scared of catching this damn thing. Which is no bad thing, as fear is a powerful motivator. I’d much rather young people live their lives in fear of the virus than mistakenly thinking their own health isn’t really at risk.
Young peoples health is not, given the evidence, at significant risk. There is no need to panic, simple rational thought is what is required here.
 

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One of my best friends grandparents died yesterday.

It's a strange one though as they had no symptoms before going into hospital with other problems, yet when they tested it was found they had covid-19.

They only went in yesterday and died yesterday.
 

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Young peoples health is not, given the evidence, at significant risk. There is no need to panic, simple rational thought is what is required here.
Young people’s health IS at risk. That’s a fact. Whether this causes panic or not is up to the individual.

Baffles me how many young people can’t understand that simple death rates don’t tell the whole picture. The hospitalisation/ventilation rates are much higher and, believe me, ending up in hospital or ventilated because of COVID-19 is something you REALLY do not want to go through.
 

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Young people’s health IS at risk. That’s a fact. Whether this causes panic or not is up to the individual.

Baffles me how many young people can’t understand that simple death rates don’t tell the whole picture. The hospitalisation/ventilation rates are much higher and, believe me, ending up in hospital or ventilated is something you REALLY do not want to go through.
Theres 3 or 4 young people on the verge of dying in Derry hospital.
 

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We've been able to reopen our Port Harcourt office and warehouse this evening after closing it on Thursday when one of our Loaders started with with a crazily high fever.

The Croatian Doctor who works for one of our biggest customers there, assures us that our colleague's symptoms which caused us to close it as a precaution are '' only malaria ''

Anyone who's ever had a bout of malaria might disagree with the word '' only '' but without proper testing facilities it's only a conclusion rather then actual proof, although at least malaria is treatable, Thank Goodness.
 

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People won't put up with lockdowns for long. If the weather continues like this and with the longer evenings there will be a collective "Feck this" sooner rather than later.
Then people are stupid

Yeah, it's such a simple thing to understand, I can't understand how people still don't get it. Baffling.
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