It hasn't been proven that you can't get reinfected if you've tested positive and recovered, has it? But I don't think it's the case anyway, one of them is Benito Raman and it would've definitely made Belgium news if he was tested positive.business seems to be much more normal in gernamy than elsewhere - testing is also a lot more prevalant - it could be that those players have tested positive and recovered?
I think the best option is to finish the leagues though ultimatley they probably run out of timeI would love that just one (!!!) pundit, journo or Liverpool's fan give further explanation when they say that Liverpool must be crowned as champion if season will not be finished. I read 100 times already; "Liverpool must get their title". Even Neville said that phrase.
But nobody is saying how to give them, based on what (except that they "deserve it"), what to do with other clubs, is it legit, how to solve promotions, relegations, CL, EL etc....
It pisses me off that people can't understand that any competition which is not finished is not legit. How is that that hard to understand?
I think (and of course its fluid) its proven that if you have been infected you have an antibody that prevents reinfection at least in the short term - there is no proof of its effect in the long term simply because the disease hasnt been round long enough but every other coronavirus antibody the immune system has produced has been shown to provide lifelong immunity ... whilst there have been some reports of people testing positive twice these to the best of my knowledge have been largley attributed to a false positive on the first test which given the newness of the tests and statistical sampling errors seems perfectly normalIt hasn't been proven that you can't get reinfected if you've tested positive and recovered, has it? But I don't think it's the case anyway, one of them is Benito Raman and it would've definitely made Belgium news if he was tested positive.
They're absolutely oblivious or wilfully stupid.It’s good to see UEFA has reached an agreement with the virus for it to die by July or August
Not really. Banter aside and in all seriousness, it’s quite a selfish outlook because they are putting the players, coaches and officials at risk, never mind the bus drivers and stadium staff that need to be on duty because of football. It’s not essential. What kind of message does it send out?I think it will prove too costly to scrap the league. I think the most likely option is that it will finish behind closed doors now.
It's not just about Liverpool just because I'm a Liverpool fan! From a financial point of view it's more about Leeds and West Brom and the clubs going down and up etc.
I love watching Champions League football, especially now that Liverpool are one of the most likely winners (obviously not this season) and if it's safe to do so then play it next year. As I pointed out, you could delay the start of it to allow all European countries a chance to fully recover and for it to be safe to travel. That is my main concern, the safety.
It's bizarre how people think that only Liverpool fans want the league to restart when Liverpool are the only team who's finishing position is pretty certain! The other 19 spaces could be filled by any number of teams, do people not want to know how it ends?
Uefa must give me that number they have to the deity that they praying to to stop the corona virus by then.Yes.
Football will be back in July or August ladies and gentlemen! This season will be finished.
Stand to be corrected, but I think you can. Here's an article.It hasn't been proven that you can't get reinfected if you've tested positive and recovered, has it? But I don't think it's the case anyway, one of them is Benito Raman and it would've definitely made Belgium news if he was tested positive.
Sadly they will learn the hard way if they don't take it seriously and think it can just go back to normal quickly.German cases are increasing, so how they can even be thinking of gearing up for a return i do not know.
Way less than Spain, Italy and Uk but the bbc quotes their infection numbers as higher than the declared China total!
Although that total would take a real leap of faith to believe.
Apparently our league will announce the april 30 postponement date will extend today. Can only imagine it'll be open ended this time. No point at all just moving it for a month.
I'm of the opinion that because the title doesn't effect anything else - it doesn't involve movement between leagues, it doesn't involve assignment into different tournaments, it's relatively separate - then the it's something the teams should be collectively able to vote on. You'd need a majority to decide on it of course. If enough teams didn't feel it sets the right precedent that's fair enough. However, we're in a situation without a whole lot of precedent. I think in the context we can temporarily park the notion of what the typical procedure is. This is unprecedented to have a league encounter this so close to the end of the season, and if there is some consensus about the title, I don't think it harms any integrity of competition because this is a once in a century occurrence.I would love that just one (!!!) pundit, journo or Liverpool's fan give further explanation when they say that Liverpool must be crowned as champion if season will not be finished. I read 100 times already; "Liverpool must get their title". Even Neville said that phrase.
But nobody is saying how to give them, based on what (except that they "deserve it"), what to do with other clubs, is it legit, how to solve promotions, relegations, CL, EL etc....
It pisses me off that people can't understand that any competition which is not finished is not legit. How is that that hard to understand?
Yeah they will buy themselves some time and most likely announe an "until further notice" Statement much the same as UEFA did in the week. But thats all they are doing....buying time.German cases are increasing, so how they can even be thinking of gearing up for a return i do not know.
Way less than Spain, Italy and Uk but the bbc quotes their infection numbers as higher than the declared China total!
Although that total would take a real leap of faith to believe.
Apparently our league will announce the april 30 postponement date will extend today. Can only imagine it'll be open ended this time. No point at all just moving it for a month.
14% in China, & obviously this might change due to the virus being so new.It hasn't been proven that you can't get reinfected if you've tested positive and recovered, has it? But I don't think it's the case anyway, one of them is Benito Raman and it would've definitely made Belgium news if he was tested positive.
My opinion about all this is basically just like you said. I agree 100% with your post.I think the best option is to finish the leagues though ultimatley they probably run out of time
if that happens then you have a choice but each has ramifications
1. Void the league - which seems your preference - but tell me what then regarding the CL and European spots - Do they go to the clubs who competed this year as the cl etc is void as well - if so are city qualified? (or does their place go to arsenal?)... do you give out the places on current standings (as UEFA seems to have accepted this from belgium) - do you use UEFA coefficients? - whatever you do expect legal challanges as well as sky demanding back their money for the season or their deal being extended by a season for free - and the financial implications for clubs with that would be pretty severe potentially
2. Finish the league now and give the title to liverpool and relegate the bottom three - again expect massive challenges from anybody relegated - a partial refund demand from sky that would again have big financial implications - clubs wanting prise money - potentially challenges because some have played less games but have better points per game than somebody else
either way its going to be messy - ultimatley I dont think it will come down to who "deserves" what - but how to minimise the financial impact and legal challanges
I dont rule out the top clubs walking out of all their leagues and just setting up a european super league and leaving the smaller clubs to struggle whilst UEFA and the domestic leagues face the bills / legal challanges
Wow, just wow. That's crazy. Really hope nothing comes of this stupid decisions the BL is taking.Tweet
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Schalke 04 is already training again. Mental if you ask me.
It was on Jim White’s show on Wednesday I think, unsure if they keep them online somewhere though.Is there a place where I could listen to it again?
England has 92(91) teams in its top 4 tiers. Germany has 148. Their 4th tier is regional. Seems like the 4th tier has pretty good attendances relative to the size of the clubs.we have 92 (91 this year) league teams how many do they have? It’s got nothing to do with the PL it’s so that supporters are kore likely to go and watch the other 72 clubs.
Yes, this season is something what happens one time in history so there are no clear rules what to do. I agree. And clubs will must sit down and decide what to do. But in your case are you aware that;I'm of the opinion that because the title doesn't effect anything else - it doesn't involve movement between leagues, it doesn't involve assignment into different tournaments, it's relatively separate - then the it's something the teams should be collectively able to vote on. You'd need a majority to decide on it of course. If enough teams didn't feel it sets the right precedent that's fair enough. However, we're in a situation without a whole lot of precedent. I think in the context we can temporarily park the notion of what the typical procedure is. This is unprecedented to have a league encounter this so close to the end of the season, and if there is some consensus about the title, I don't think it harms any integrity of competition because this is a once in a century occurrence.
Let the teams collectively decide. By putting it to a vote you get away from the idea there needs to be some concrete quantifiable threshold for deciding when a team gets awarded the league, because it becomes a case of reasonable deduction.
Just remember that they also test a lot more than comparable countries. The number of infections are not an optimal way of measuring due do to the massive disparities in testing capacity.Sadly they will learn the hard way if they don't take it seriously and think it can just go back to normal quickly.
True. I think the idea is the potential threat to the Health services.Just remember that they also test a lot more than comparable countries. The number of infections are not an optimal way of measuring due do to the massive disparities in testing capacity.
Number of people in intensive care and dead (per capita of course) give a more accurate picture of the situation.
Why though? There are examples of the inverse having happened. Seasons completed where teams went up and down, qualified for Europe etc but historically there's no winner in books.Yes, this season is something what happens one time in history so there are no clear rules what to do. I agree. And clubs will must sit down and decide what to do. But in your case are you aware that;
1) Liverpool would get title based on the fact that they would "probably" be champions. Sport doesn't work like that.
2) If you get title "PL winner Season 2019/2020" that automatically means that season is legit, finished and can't be canceled. Then what to do with others club? It is domino effect.
As idiot ideas goes this is one of the worst. What about all the small clubs down the pyramid. They are the I care about, not so Liverpool can get the league & PL gets its TV money. As one journalist said, 'a hurricane is going to hit the elite of football in this country'. Unfortunately, they are to dim to see it coming.I think it's funny that you have people calling others heartless for thinking about this season while so many people are dying, then in the same breath talk about the integrity of next season and how we must not disrupt that. As though the world will be coronavirus free by the time of next season.
Nah. You can have your own opinion and what we should do with the rest of this season... But if we aren't prepared to accept it won't be business as usual next season, we're all a bunch of idiots. We need to make adjustments to next season as soon as possible. I think that the number of games needs to be reduced so that we have plenty of room to play the games, with coronavirus disruption in mind.
To me, the option that makes sense is to play maybe one round of league fixtures, and have playoffs/tournament. I have no idea how that would work, but I'm sure it could ensure no TV money is lost even with less games due to the novelty and excitement of a tournament.
Huh? What are you talking about you fool? I'm talking about next season. Whether they void this season or not, next season can't happen as normal. Every level of sport should be preparing to make changes to their next season.As idiot ideas goes this is one of the worst. What about all the small clubs down the pyramid. They are the I care about, not so Liverpool can get the league & PL gets its TV money. As one journalist said, 'a hurricane is going to hit the elite of football in this country'. Unfortunately, they are to dim to see it coming.
I don't see why it is stupid. Restrictions have to be loosened step by step at some point. The league plans to restart first or second weekend of May and the government has allowed the clubs to resume training (in groups of two or three for now). This does not cause infections, mass events do. Which is why all games will be behind closed doors of course.Wow, just wow. That's crazy. Really hope nothing comes of this stupid decisions the BL is taking.
Yep, not to mention if football wants to restart - what is stopping all other sports from restarting and then we might end up back at square 1 with infection rates etc.Not really. Banter aside and in all seriousness, it’s quite a selfish outlook because they are putting the players, coaches and officials at risk, never mind the bus drivers and stadium staff that need to be on duty because of football. It’s not essential. What kind of message does it send out?
I agree, just like we won the FA Cup and Europa League.People, let's be honest. Liverpool have won the title 5 months ago. No one here wishes them to grab it, but they are the best team in the league, and they deserve it.
My bigger concern is what will happen with CL spot, because we could've still reached it. Not to mention EL
It's incomparable. There is absolutely no chance they will lose so many games to let Citeh win it even if the season continues at some point. FA Cup and EL are differentI agree, just like we won the FA Cup and Europa League.
It's only fair all those teams who have not mathematically won anything be awarded their trophies they have not won.
Its not incomparable, either the season is void or not. You cant award some of the trophies and not others.It's incomparable. There is absolutely no chance they will lose so many games to let Citeh win it even if the season continues at some point. FA Cup and EL are different
Believe me mate, it is the most insignificant thing going on right now. Ever since this started I haven't thought about football in the slightest, and really could not care less about when it restarts. Getting through every day at work now without a cough or a fever is the best feeling in the world right now haha.If they void the season Liverpool will still be awarded the title. Clubs will agree to this if it comes down to it.
There doesn’t appear to be an end in sight for coronavirus, football seems so far away at this point. I miss the game but it feels so insignificant with everything else going on.
Who knows, especially now all teams have unfit players.It's incomparable. There is absolutely no chance they will lose so many games to let Citeh win it even if the season continues at some point. FA Cup and EL are different
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Fair enough step by step. What other restrictions have loosened up publicly though?I don't see why it is stupid. Restrictions have to be loosened step by step at some point. The league plans to restart first or second weekend of May and the government has allowed the clubs to resume training (in groups of two or three for now). This does not cause infections, mass events do. Which is why all games will be behind closed doors of course.
First case in China was mid-November, a man in 50s.Shanghai was relatively unscathed by coronavirus which is in bizarre in itself to be honest. Same goes for Beijing. He is right though, this virus has been around for longer than we think. China only told the world about it once it became impossible to keep under wraps anymore, I'd hazard a guess that it probably was around November and was probably in Europe by Christmas too. I'm certain of it.