I know of two people, one a baby, that had had letter from the hospital they were ill in, in January to return to have further tests. Related, who knows
SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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Because more than 3000 obviously died.
Wuhan didn't allow like-minded individuals from affluent areas to meet up for a Sunday pub lunch.
Because there have actually been significantly more deaths than 3000. China are kidding no one.
Because they live in 'prison style' tower blocks, every resident is on surveillance via mobile app, and you only get a 'green pass' which unlocks the residence gate if you've tested clean for at least 14 days. Those suspected of still being infected cant get out of their residential complex.
I've no idea how many died, but their lockdown was much more authoritarian and comprehensive than ours, as was their testing and tracking.
It was 31st of Jan when they made the statement of "For the time being, no obvious human-to-human transmission has been observed and no healthcare workers have been infected. The causative pathogen and cause of infection are still under investigation". Translated in a HK press release here: https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/201912/31/P2019123100667.htm
Then This paper - https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30154-9/fulltext#back-bib24
- Talks about a family admitted on 10th Jan that had clearly transmitted it between themselves. I guess it was these cases that caught the attention of the Chinese government and began the drastic lockdown measures.
I don't know what others are expecting but it all seems pretty quick to me and I'm yet to see any evidence of a cover up?
But even at that the virus is showing no signs of stopping but China is completely free of it now?
I mean what the hell is going on..
China tell us what it wants us to believe.
Viruses need hosts. If you limit interpersonal contact and let things run their course you should theoretically be able to rid a population of it.
If you have affluent, like minded individuals getting together at the pub for a Sunday Sunday roast dinner then you'll give the virus plenty of hosts.
But you’d think that a spread that reached ever corner of the world would be worst where it began even with a lockdown.
Yeah but someone was asked to move from a bench this week over here so it's practically the same thing.
♫Foxes on the streets of Birmingham♫Foxes on the streets of London
That was crazy now whenever you think about it and Cheltenham I am genuinely scared now at heights this virus will reach.
I don't think you truly understand how they 'locked' down.
Wuhan 'contained' the virus spread so much better than UK has been able to do, albeit through draconian and authoritarian methods. People were literally forcibly moved into quarantine or welded into their apartments.
As @Mr Pigeon points out, we have people in UK moaning about not being allowed to sit on a park bench for 2 hours or sunbathing in the park.
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Where are people getting 19/20 being a particular bad flu season? It was miles better than both two and three years ago: https://www.gov.uk/government/statistics/weekly-national-flu-reports-2019-to-2020-season
I was listening to More or Less talking about this too earlier on, on how COVID-19 is killing off a lot of people who otherwise might have gone in a worse-than-average flu season.
With China they locked down hard at ~500 cases and even took infected people away to isolate from their family and had lots of tracing. Our lockdowns are like a holiday camp, France Spain Italy UK had done theirs at 200-300 deaths and thousands of cases and I don't expect the soft lockdowns to last long
We see other Asian countries doing very well but one thing they haven't done is press on with a hard lockdown so the cases are still ongoing but small numbers. China have smothered this to zero and it will probably come from outside if it starts again..
When I look at the way other Asian countries have kept the numbers very low despite having way more Chinese visitors and were hit earlier on than Europe. Germany so far doing a decent job of managing it relative to other large European countries and China with it's severe enforcement, the numbers all look commensurate to the actions, technology and preparedness.
South Korea's outbreak is like a mini version of what happened in Wuhan China and shows what can be done when you zero in on it except with China they have clamped down until it's run to an end while SK like others in Asia have heavily limited it but it's creeping along the bars and clubs in the younger populace. To truly stop the virus quickly it has to die with its hosts and be fought off by the body in strict isolation. What we have in Europe is a bit of damage control to help the services.
We see other Asian countries doing very well but one thing they haven't done is press on with a hard lockdown so the cases are still ongoing but small numbers. China have smothered this to zero and it will probably come from outside if it starts again..
When I look at the way other Asian countries have kept the numbers very low despite having way more Chinese visitors and were hit earlier on than Europe. Germany so far doing a decent job of managing it relative to other large European countries and China with it's severe enforcement, the numbers all look commensurate to the actions, technology and preparedness.
South Korea's outbreak is like a mini version of what happened in Wuhan China and shows what can be done when you zero in on it except with China they have clamped down until it's run to an end while SK like others in Asia have heavily limited it but it's creeping along the bars and clubs in the younger populace. To truly stop the virus quickly it has to die with its hosts and be fought off by the body in strict isolation. What we have in Europe is a bit of damage control to help the services.
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I think all this Germany talk is a myth.
They are managing treatment well, it seems, because they have a low death rate.
They still have 113k cases. Nothing to be proud of. Their containment is as shitty as anyone's in Europe.
They are managing treatment well, it seems, because they have a low death rate.
They still have 113k cases. Nothing to be proud of. Their containment is as shitty as anyone's in Europe.
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Whatever the numbers might really have been, there's surely no way that the Chinese government would risk opening up Wuhan now unless they were pretty confident they could manage and contain the virus from here on out.
The health code app and gps tracking will be playing a central role, and honestly something similar will probably be needed in all countries to get things moving again while monitoring and tracing potential further outbreaks.
The health code app and gps tracking will be playing a central role, and honestly something similar will probably be needed in all countries to get things moving again while monitoring and tracing potential further outbreaks.
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Pretty clear isn’t it? I’m sure we may have had a few cases before the UK’s first recorded case but, seeing hospitalisation timelines and numbers in every country, to think it was here running loose through the population since December is pure fantasy.
ICU’s would have been overrun weeks before now and we’d be in a terrible mess.
I know quite a few people who are saying ‘I reckon I had this over Christmas’ or something similar. Dunno, they either want bragging rights or are trying to convince themselves they’re immune or something.
I had a mild cold and chest infection about 5 weeks ago but I’m assuming it wasn’t this virus and I’ll assume the same until I’ve had an antibody test. Until that day I’m taking social distancing really seriously.
Just had a virus expert on the morning news here, he reckons Stockholm is “likely” up to 30-40% infected already.
Crazy numbers if so, 30% would mean almost 700,000 people.
Crazy numbers if so, 30% would mean almost 700,000 people.
I started a thread on this. Long story short, during the last week of January I went down with with the nastiest 'flu' you could imagine: a persistent fever ranging at 39C, constant shivering, night sweats, severe body aches, a bad headache and a slight dry cough. I wasn't out of breath but a quick trip to the toilet or kitchen would leave me fatigued. Those symptoms went away within one week fatigue aside, but for around a couple of weeks after I had trouble with dizziness and confusion and that was really unsettling.
Four days prior to me developing those symptoms, I had dined with a good friend of mine who was visiting Jakarta from Paris via Singapore. She, too, developed the same thing the same day as I did but without the dizziness part afterwards. My partner had a dry cough, low-grade fever and a slight shortness of breath (though she does suffer from asthma) soon after, and I also learned that another mutual friend caught pneumonia about a week after seeing her.
It's just too much of a coincidence.
If he is right AND the percentage of ICU beds needed per infected is nearly as high as reported from other countries, then Stockholm and the health system is fecked.
Lets just hope one of the numbers is wrong.
His point was that the ICU beds per infected is looking much much lower.
Or well, that’s you can keep it miles lower the better you are at keeping it away from your 70+ population.
So yeah, let’s hope that number is way out, which is what we’ve all been hoping for since the start.
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Simplest explanation is often the correct one.
The virus simply waited for Liverpool to get closer to winning the title.
Best usage of Occam's razor ever.
My brother had this, the most unusual thing I had was eye ball pain on the left when I moved it, which lasted about 2 days.
To be clear as some other poster said this isn't about 'bragging rights'. or convincing yourself of anything, hearing about other people's illnesses is extremely tiresome, it was just what I think is an unusual illness to have had, and others around me to have had just before this thing kicked off, I could be miles off the mark.
Haha. Had this song running through my head too
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could what we seeing now beeing the second ,much more intensive, wave explain the similar cases in December?
i my self dont think so, but who knows.
i my self dont think so, but who knows.
America is such an unjust country.
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Really?! Wow. That might have been covid so. When was this? Had any of ye travelled recently?
Is that a socio-economic thing or a difference in levels of immunity between races?
No surprise - she’s as dodgy as they come.
Nobody cares about all those bullying claims now sadly
Social-ecomic inequality has effectively led to the latter.
Thanks mate, that’s fantastic if it pans out that way. Hard not to be cynical these days but seems to be some real basis for hope.
Definitely socio-economic (will rip through high population density communities much quicker and lack of free healthcare means poor people more likely to die) but hypertension, cv disease and renal failure is more predominant in black people (because of genetic differences) which will cause a higher mortality rate.