SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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Patient zero' fears he brought coronavirus to UK from ski resort in January
IT consultant Daren Bland, 50, took a four-day trip to the Tyrolean Alps ski resort in mid-January before being struck down with Covid-19-like symptoms on his return to Britain
In that situation, I hope he doesn't feel any sort of regret or responsibility. It wasn't really known in the same quantity back then and just because he may have been the first doesn't mean he was responsible for everyone or even the most.
 

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My wife said this to me at least a week ago, she reads the reports on breakdown. It’s something to look for, is there something in the genetic code? Or is it just coincidence?
African Americans are more predisposed to pee-existing conditions...hypertension, obesity, diabetes and poorer access to healthcare.
 

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You know what I call "being free"? I am not f*cked and have to die only cause I got no money in a system which lives from the fact that I got no money and only a dozen people got tons of money. I can go to a doctor, they help me first-class wise, and if I am f*cked cause my job is on pause now, I still got a flat and something to eat. Thats what I call freedom!

I can live. I can live my life like I want and don't spend time struggling to not to die, like I would have to do when I am living in the Stone Age.
 

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Does anyone know the approach of other countries regarding protecting those identified as extremely vulnerable?

In the UK we have the 12-week measures with food parcels, priority delivery and a volunteer scheme to allow people to shield themselves. But obviously the big question mark is what the guidance will be longer-term whilst we await a vaccine.
In Ireland it’s a 12 week cocooning for at risk. It’s quite a short list imo. Since my heart surgery, my iron levels have fluctuated, I’ve had to get vitB shots in hospital because of fatigue and I pick up every fecking virus going. But, heart disease is not on the list unless you’re pregnant.

so, IF you are on the list, there’s a scheme where volunteers from the GAA community can pickup and deliver groceries to you, another scheme where the postman can knock on your door to check on you & deliver a newspaper & supposedly government food drops have been mentioned but no evidence of that happening yet.

im in week 5 now of isolating, we don’t go to the shops so relying on deliveries. Tesco emailed last night to say over 70s would now be prioritised so the slim chance of finding a delivery slot is now gone. Only 1 other chain deliver so reliant on that now, as well as finding farm shops etc that deliver. Also found a place in an industrial estate that used to supply the catering trade but have had to diversify to selling stock to the public. €13 for a box of fruit and veg. Order online

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The answer is probably going to go way over my head but can’t you just put more money in people’s pockets? Paid for by 100 year bonds or something similar.
It gets into economic theory that goes way over my head too. I think they'd have fairly niche appeal -Argentina issued one a couple of years back cos their economy was fecked - the US only goes up to 30 years for example.
They'd surely need inflation-proofing too?
 

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It's not necessarily as easy as that though- look how long Japan has being trying to inject inflation into its economy.
They've not gone full money printing though, i.e. giving everyone 10,000,000 yen on a one off basis or introducing UBI. I think it would be possible if you're really aggressive. The difficulty would then be turning the taps off once you've reached 5-10% inflation and starting a slow path back to 2%.
 

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She'd have loved the woodbines but unfortunately not. From what I can see in the picture, potatoes, bread, tangerines, apples, milk, cornflakes, carrots, tea bags, tinned stuff. Similar to their usual shop, but with much less wine and vodka.
Can I ask how she went about getting it?? Is this somewhere in the UK? Did she have to pay for it?
My parents in law are 73 and 81 but they haven’t even had a letter, so wondering how we get them noticed
 

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They've not gone full money printing though, i.e. giving everyone 10,000,000 yen on a one off basis or introducing UBI. I think it would be possible if you're really aggressive. The difficulty would then be turning the taps off once you've reached 5-10% inflation and starting a slow path back to 2%.
I guess they didn't go full on money printing for fear they'd lose control?
 

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I guess they didn't go full on money printing for fear they'd lose control?
Exactly, but in a time of crisis such as we are now in I think you have to pick your medicine.
 

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Exactly, but in a time of crisis such as we are now in I think you have to pick your medicine.
It's interesting though, given how long Japan has in been in that low inflation/deflationary vortex. I know they did have loads of debt-laden zombie corporations lumbering along, but thought they'd shaken a lot of that out of the economy.
Definitely not a model others would want to pursue for sure.
 

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As mean spirited as that article is, I'd be surprised if those at the top of the Communist party don't see some sort of opportunity to increase their soft power.
I mean, Murica has basically turned to piracy, the EU is nowhere to be seen. They can't even agree a response ffs!
Doesn't mean China sees the virus as a positive.
 

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EE giving Unlimited Data to NHS staff with a pay monthly plan. They would need to register at this link https://ee.co.uk/nhs-unlimited-data-allowance
Call me a cynic, but im not convinced that that is really useful in the modern age where most providers give you huge data limits anyway. And the people who are actually still at work are probably the least likely to need all that extra data. I reckon they would prefer 50% off their bills, personally.

Similarly cynical, but the new Premier League players initiative that has been reported over the last day or two.... I have yet to see any actual figures or details on how they are helping and what this new fund is really going to do.

What im getting at is it seems like there are a lot of nice corporate buzz words being thrown around, and woolly, fluffy promises and initiative (great for PR), and not enough of people or organisations just putting their hands in their pockets and helping out in a more obvious and material way (doesnt necessarily just mean "money"). Seems to be a case of various groups saying "What can we do that looks really good, but doesnt actually cost or impact us much in the slightest?"
 

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I'm happy that various companies are doing things that benefit NHS staff but I do wonder if this is more PR-related rather than public-spiritedness. And, frankly, a headline about 'free Tesco Easter eggs for nurses' means one less headline about the scandal of how this crisis has been (mis)handled.
 
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Call me a cynic, but im not convinced that that is really useful in the modern age where most providers give you huge data limits anyway. And the people who are actually still at work are probably the least likely to need all that extra data. I reckon they would prefer 50% off their bills, personally.

Similarly cynical, but the new Premier League players initiative that has been reported over the last day or two.... I have yet to see any actual figures or details on how they are helping and what this new fund is really going to do.

What im getting at is it seems like there are a lot of nice corporate buzz words being thrown around, and woolly, fluffy promises and initiative (great for PR), and not enough of people or organisations just putting their hands in their pockets and helping out in a more obvious and material way (doesnt necessarily just mean "money"). Seems to be a case of various groups saying "What can we do that looks really good, but doesnt actually cost or impact us much in the slightest?"
A number of engineering companies have planned, to or are in the process of, making ventillators for hospitals:
https://www.cityam.com/mclaren-joins-industrial-push-to-manufacture-10000-ventilators/
https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/...to-nhs-as-part-of.2xDeE5gsLUrSX7zmE4MeCx.html
 

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Call me a cynic, but im not convinced that that is really useful in the modern age where most providers give you huge data limits anyway. And the people who are actually still at work are probably the least likely to need all that extra data. I reckon they would prefer 50% off their bills, personally.

Similarly cynical, but the new Premier League players initiative that has been reported over the last day or two.... I have yet to see any actual figures or details on how they are helping and what this new fund is really going to do.

What im getting at is it seems like there are a lot of nice corporate buzz words being thrown around, and woolly, fluffy promises and initiative (great for PR), and not enough of people or organisations just putting their hands in their pockets and helping out in a more obvious and material way (doesnt necessarily just mean "money"). Seems to be a case of various groups saying "What can we do that looks really good, but doesnt actually cost or impact us much in the slightest?"
I don’t think that’s cynical it’s just the reality of big corporations. The Premier League have been wanting to complete the season and they finally came out and admitted they would lose around £750m in TV revenue. They’d rather risk people’s health than lose out on that money.

BT have made no attempt to drop TV subscriptions even though there is no sport on. They have worked it in such a way that the sport is ‘free’ but clearly we are all paying inflated fee for broadband so none of us can reduce our subscriptions. At least Sky has waivered the sports package for subscribers.
 

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In Ireland it’s a 12 week cocooning for at risk. It’s quite a short list imo. Since my heart surgery, my iron levels have fluctuated, I’ve had to get vitB shots in hospital because of fatigue and I pick up every fecking virus going. But, heart disease is not on the list unless you’re pregnant.

so, IF you are on the list, there’s a scheme where volunteers from the GAA community can pickup and deliver groceries to you, another scheme where the postman can knock on your door to check on you & deliver a newspaper & supposedly government food drops have been mentioned but no evidence of that happening yet.

im in week 5 now of isolating, we don’t go to the shops so relying on deliveries. Tesco emailed last night to say over 70s would now be prioritised so the slim chance of finding a delivery slot is now gone. Only 1 other chain deliver so reliant on that now, as well as finding farm shops etc that deliver. Also found a place in an industrial estate that used to supply the catering trade but have had to diversify to selling stock to the public. €13 for a box of fruit and veg. Order online

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Ah interesting.

I am 25 days in to shielding and thankfully I have relatives who can shop for me - as I know some have been struggling to get the supermarkets to recognise them as extremely vulnerable.

I have high nutritional requirements and drink plenty of full-fat milk to boost calories - so seeing dairy farmers literally pouring away milk due to a drop in demand from restaurants, coffee shops etc is frustrating. Hopefully they can come up with a way of redirecting the milk straight to consumers.

I just wonder what the government response will be when the initial guidance comes to an end. They’ve pledge to provide support for as long as people need it - but that could theoretically be needed until there’s a vaccine.
 

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What im getting at is it seems like there are a lot of nice corporate buzz words being thrown around, and woolly, fluffy promises and initiative (great for PR), and not enough of people or organisations just putting their hands in their pockets and helping out in a more obvious and material way (doesnt necessarily just mean "money"). Seems to be a case of various groups saying "What can we do that looks really good, but doesnt actually cost or impact us much in the slightest?"
Regardless of the morals, the other businesses shouldn't be having to supplement for something which central government should be funding in the first place. It's great you're highlighting what they're not doing, but what should you think they should be doing?
 

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From the BBC:



This is intereting. The occurrence of diabetes is fairly high in the British South Asian community.
 

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From the BBC:



This is intereting. The occurrence of diabetes is fairly high in the British South Asian community.
Interesting, there was stats drawing a similar conclusion in certain states of the USA yesterday as well.
 

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A group of researchers from Aalborg University have also designed and build an emergency ventilator the past 14 days and have put the design and instructions up for others to use (or they're just about to make them publicly available).
 

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Can someone explain about Australia? I've noticed their numbers seem to be low so just wondered how they are handling it?

I know a lot of my Aussie friends are not happy on FB, because they've locked down 25million people over a few dozen deaths. They feel it's gone way overboard but their government is obviously taking no chances.
 

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Call me a cynic, but im not convinced that that is really useful in the modern age where most providers give you huge data limits anyway. And the people who are actually still at work are probably the least likely to need all that extra data. I reckon they would prefer 50% off their bills, personally.

Similarly cynical, but the new Premier League players initiative that has been reported over the last day or two.... I have yet to see any actual figures or details on how they are helping and what this new fund is really going to do.

What im getting at is it seems like there are a lot of nice corporate buzz words being thrown around, and woolly, fluffy promises and initiative (great for PR), and not enough of people or organisations just putting their hands in their pockets and helping out in a more obvious and material way (doesnt necessarily just mean "money"). Seems to be a case of various groups saying "What can we do that looks really good, but doesnt actually cost or impact us much in the slightest?"
Due to the sums of data we consume these days and the way they're packaged up, this gesture wont hit as hard as it might have 18 months ago, for example. Knowing that companies don't like giving something for nothing (if they did, a cash credit on bills would be better as you said), it actually gives some interesting insight in to what the actual cost of data is to telecoms companies.

All that said, the Kevin Bacon EE NHS advert is doing the rounds on TV today and from what I'm hearing the take up has been huge this morning. The Website has gone down a couple of times.
 

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In that situation, I hope he doesn't feel any sort of regret or responsibility. It wasn't really known in the same quantity back then and just because he may have been the first doesn't mean he was responsible for everyone or even the most.
I know it's not exactly an equivalence, but should the Chinese then be held responsible and made to feel regret?
 

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Ah interesting.

I am 25 days in to shielding and thankfully I have relatives who can shop for me - as I know some have been struggling to get the supermarkets to recognise them as extremely vulnerable.

I have high nutritional requirements and drink plenty of full-fat milk to boost calories - so seeing dairy farmers literally pouring away milk due to a drop in demand from restaurants, coffee shops etc is frustrating. Hopefully they can come up with a way of redirecting the milk straight to consumers.

I just wonder what the government response will be when the initial guidance comes to an end. They’ve pledge to provide support for as long as people need it - but that could theoretically be needed until there’s a vaccine.
Good luck.
Since typing that I’ve received a letter from my gp this morning saying that I’m at risk. there’s a number I can ring for my local council to arrange shopping, pharmacy delivery etc. Feeling relieved now even though im good for a few weeks