SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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Updated graph of English deaths by day of death (last 5-6 days will see significant upward revision):
Updated graph of deaths in England by day of death. 765 new deaths as of 5pm yesterday, down from 828 the day before:


Orange is a 5 day trailing average with the last 5 days omitted as they are bound to have significant upward change. Still no idea what happened on 31st of March.
 

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-52221688

Police had to shut down 660 parties in Manchester last weekend alone. Adherence to the lockdown iss going to continue to get worse.
It will if the government maintain this softy softy approach in not supporting the police. Smack a 1k fine on these people and publically announce numbers fined and you might suddenly find that the number of those having parties quickly reduces.
 

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These people's names should be put on record and should be denied entrance to all festivals and clubs for the next 3 years.
Sounds terrible, but they should be denied care or should have to pay for it. Our NHS is at breaking point and these people don't give a sh*t. Also why should the police get abuse for trying to do their jobs?
 

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These people's names should be put on record and should be denied entrance to all festivals and clubs for the next 3 years.
Clamp them in those ankle bracelets and don’t allow them to travel outside their area as punishment once it’s back to normal
 

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What all 1.3 billion of them?
Oh I'm not suggesting anything. But there's calls on here suggesting economic sanctions and the likes. Would that not have the same effect as shaming their entire population, besides also hurting them economically?
 

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It was 31st of Jan when they made the statement of "For the time being, no obvious human-to-human transmission has been observed and no healthcare workers have been infected. The causative pathogen and cause of infection are still under investigation". Translated in a HK press release here: https://www.info.gov.hk/gia/general/201912/31/P2019123100667.htm

Then This paper - https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(20)30154-9/fulltext#back-bib24
- Talks about a family admitted on 10th Jan that had clearly transmitted it between themselves. I guess it was these cases that caught the attention of the Chinese government and began the drastic lockdown measures.

I don't know what others are expecting but it all seems pretty quick to me and I'm yet to see any evidence of a cover up?
That one is from December
 

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Good luck.
Since typing that I’ve received a letter from my gp this morning saying that I’m at risk. there’s a number I can ring for my local council to arrange shopping, pharmacy delivery etc. Feeling relieved now even though im good for a few weeks
Cheers, you too.
 

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England reports 765 new coronavirus deaths
NHS England has recorded 765 new deaths in hospital from coronavirus.
It said that 140 of them occurred yesterday, while 568 took place between 1 April and 7 April.
The remaining 57 deaths took place in March, including two on 19 March and one on 16 March

Might make the numbers seem better but this could go for any released daily figures in Europe
 
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Wuhan is opening up but I feel that this is not a good idea. What if it comes back again? This is going to create a much bigger problem for the world.
 

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Why's that?

Apparently we have to be in lockdown forever now, just in case covid19 comes back. It's a good job the world didn't think that way for pandemics in the past or else none of us would be alive today. It's fine to be concerned, we all are, but I just can't get on board with this fear of any country attempting to move onto the front-foot and get on with life.
 

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I hope either we find a cure or it gets weakened enough not to kill so many people
 

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it isn't going anywhere anytime soon. we just have to manage it.

Exactly, there is nothing wrong with being afraid right now, we all are to different extents. But this logic of just sitting behind closed doors indefinitely because of 'what might happen', is counter-productive. Eventually, the world has to go on the attack against this virus - we have to move back into a way of life that benefits us all, while also managing the virus as best as possible. It can, and will, be done.
 

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Apparently we have to be in lockdown forever now, just in case covid19 comes back. It's a good job the world didn't think that way for pandemics in the past or else none of us would be alive today. It's fine to be concerned, we all are, but I just can't get on board with this fear of any country attempting to move onto the front-foot and get on with life.
I think you misunderstood what I mean. Even now the Chinese are being blamed for this. Even though in my opinion the countries who are getting it so badly got it because of the incompetence of their own politicians .
Now if China opens up Wuhan and it comes back and spread out again USA and UK could declare war on China. A war of some sort and not necessarily military.
 

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I think you misunderstood what I mean. Even now the Chinese are being blamed for this. Even though in my opinion the countries who are getting it so badly got it because of the incompetence of their own politicians .
Now if China opens up Wuhan and it comes back and spread out again USA and UK could declare war on China. A war of some sort and not necessarily military.

I get you, yeah. We just have to hope that doesn't happen I guess.
 

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The only "cure" will be vaccine pal, and that's a long long long way off.

Now it's all about protecting the risk groups the best we can, that's how you keep the death toll down.
Unfortunately, the best way to protect at risk groups is to try and keep transmission as low as possible in society as a whole. You can’t just stick all the elderly/hypertensive/obese/smokers in a cave somewhere for 18 months. They’re going to be interacting with people who are less at risk, day in, day out. Realistically, I think we’re going to have constant relatively manageable social distancing for the next year or two with periodic lockdowns if it ever looks like getting out of hand again.

I’m not actually sure what the “relatively manageable social distancing” looks like but I’m hoping this will mean a a return to amateur (outdoor) sport, re-opening of most shops, allowing people to travel freely around the country, maybe even allowing restaurants to open (with strict conditions around seating etc) I don’t see pubs, night clubs, cinemas, theatres, indoor gyms etc opening any time soon and I certainly think large gatherings (concerts, professional football matches etc) won’t happen again for a long time.
 

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My dad and about 6 different mates all
claimed to have had this particular virus back in december. So where's all the dead people or was the first batch of infections not dangerous?

Not claiming to know anything but could they just have been filed under death from pneumonia or flu? Considering it was flu season?
 

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My dad was absolutely adamant he had it (I don't believe it), but around Dec / Jan he was struggling.
The doctors couldn't actually put a finger on it. They prescribed him some antibiotics and they didn't work, so they gave him two more to take at the same time. I wouldn't say they worked as such, but he did eventually get over it.

He was having a bad chest and breathing problems throughout. Lacked energy and constantly slept through the day (He always does, just more than usual)

That being said, my dads 72, has Type 1 Diabetes, overweight, had a hart attack and also COPD.... I cant see this virus being kind to him, hence me thinking it isn't that

This is the UK btw
 

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Unfortunately, the best way to protect at risk groups is to try and keep transmission as low as possible in society as a whole. You can’t just stick all the elderly/hypertensive/obese/smokers in a cave somewhere for 18 months. They’re going to be interacting with people who are less at risk, day in, day out. Realistically, I think we’re going to have constant relatively manageable social distancing for the next year or two with periodic lockdowns if it ever looks like getting out of hand again.

I’m not actually sure what the “relatively manageable social distancing” looks like but I’m hoping this will mean a a return to amateur (outdoor) sport, re-opening of most shops, allowing people to travel freely around the country, maybe even allowing restaurants to open (with strict conditions around seating etc) I don’t see pubs, night clubs, cinemas, theatres, indoor gyms etc opening any time soon and I certainly think large gatherings (concerts, professional football matches etc) won’t happen again for a long time.
I think some of those things can open. Pubs, Cinema's, Gyms can open as long as there is strict enforcement of the number of people in them & carefully management of crowds gathering outside. Maybe you'll have to make a booking to go into a pub or gym (so you don't queue up outside), limit group sizes etc.

Theatres I can't see opening because the risk is to the actors & production staff, who are often working in small spaces quite close together.

There are ways to manage them but it'll take a lot of competence in executing this.
 

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That being said, my dads 72, has Type 1 Diabetes, overweight, had a hart attack and also COPD.... I cant see this virus being kind to him, hence me thinking it isn't that
Not really.
Elderly couple (93 and 88) overcame Covid-19 in India
101 year old man in Italy also overcame the virus recently
 

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Don't virus strains normally come back as a weaker version?
Normally, but not always. Increasing lethality is not good for a virus. Spanish flu came back more deadly in a second wave but it killed people off too quickly and died out itself after a couple of months.
 

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I think some of those things can open. Pubs, Cinema's, Gyms can open as long as there is strict enforcement of the number of people in them & carefully management of crowds gathering outside. Maybe you'll have to make a booking to go into a pub (so you don't queue up outside), limit group sizes etc.

Theatres I can't see opening because the risk is to the actors & production staff, who are often working in small spaces quite close together.
Cinemas and gyms maybe but there’s not a hope in hell of punters keeping up social distancing in pubs once the booze starts to flow. Mind you, they might still open, I just think that would be a very bad idea.
 

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Cinemas and gyms maybe but there’s not a hope in hell of punters keeping up social distancing in pubs once the booze starts to flow. Mind you, they might still open, I just think that would be a very bad idea.

I know, hahaha.
I guess they'd have to put a limit of something like 40% usual capacity and have bouncers imposing that rule. But yeah, that's not going to be adhered to. I think restaurants would actually be a bit easier to monitor - they can only book 50% of their tables at any one time, can't have back-to-back bookings etc and no walk-ins maybe?