SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

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Yeah, I'm surprised countries even entertained that idea of letting Huawei build their networks.
I should go in your direction though, spying is a genuine concern but human intelligence is so prevalent that sometimes I suspect that these type of openly expressed concerns are for show and to manipulate the masses. In terms of technology, the US and all "major" nations trust no one and are worried about all external sources and even some internal ones. I don't think that the US intelligence has more trust in Qualcomm than they have in Huawei.
 

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Maybe Sophia's parents forgot to inform her about Tory spending on children and young people's services that has been cut by nearly £1bn in six years.
Or that council funding for women's refuges has been cut by nearly £7m since 2010. Then there's the cost of childcare and nurseries....et-fecking-cetera
And soon we'll have the highest death rate in Europe. Yes, well done Boris you fat, idle cnut.
 

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Wasn't sure where to post this but I thought it was an interesting watch. Basically the UK government's decision to cover wages for employers is going to allow small/medium businesses to continue for the most part when the lock down ends.

That won't be the case in the US because some of those businesses won't be around by the time they receive any help from the government.

 

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grim stuff
Wonder would the government be looking at the excess deaths of those receiving state pension and roughly calculating the saving on that vs the money spent on furlough etc.

Its grim but id imagine theyd have to
 

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Maybe Sophia's parents forgot to inform her about Tory spending on children and young people's services that has been cut by nearly £1bn in six years.
Or that council funding for women's refuges has been cut by nearly £7m since 2010. Then there's the cost of childcare and nurseries....et-fecking-cetera
And soon we'll have the highest death rate in Europe. Yes, well done Boris you fat, idle cnut.
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Well said.

Wonder would the government be looking at the excess deaths of those receiving state pension and roughly calculating the saving on that vs the money spent on furlough etc.

Its grim but id imagine theyd have to
The olds couldn't be happier with the government at the moment,


 

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Wasn't sure where to post this but I thought it was an interesting watch. Basically the UK government's decision to cover wages for employers is going to allow small/medium businesses to continue for the most part when the lock down ends.

That won't be the case in the US because some of those businesses won't be around by the time they receive any help from the government.

Ive said this a few times but what the government done here regarding financial help was unbelievable tbh.
 

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Updated graph of deaths in England by day of death. 546 deaths announced today, 232 fewer than this time last week. Decline seems to be pretty steady.

Orange is a 5 day trailing average. Last 5-7 days will see large to moderate upward changes:
Updated graph of hospital deaths in England by day of death. 366 deaths announced today, 180 fewer than this time last week. The slide in deaths seems remarkably consistent.

Orange is a 5 day trailing average. Last 5-7 days will see large to moderate upward changes:
 

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Too early to be confident we're past 500-600 daily death tolls (for next few months anyway)?
 

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Too early to be confident we're past 500-600 daily death tolls (for next few months anyway)?
Depends how many deaths occur outside of hospitals. You'd expect a bit of a bump today in order to cover the under reporting from the weekend so it might creep above 500 for the UK as a whole. We're definitely skipping down the mountainside though.

What happens in the future depends on our own actions as much as anything. Like if opening up sufficiently raises the infection rate we might be right back to early April figures come mid June. Hopefully not, but could happen.
 

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There is a NHS colorectal surgeon who's posted on youtube regurgitated some bullshit about covid being a hoax, he's already been reported to the GMC which saved me the trouble of doing so, I did flag up the youtube video as dangerous content but its still up there so far.

A big part of it is that taking down these videos and deplatforming them feeds into conspiracy theorists more but I do believe that their views are dangerous and shouldn't be propagated

Fortunately I have challenged all my friends and family on social media and in real life with evidence of debunking to popular claims
Things like covid is a hoax, covid is manmade/lab generated, cures, 5G links have all been thoroughly debunked. I don't argue with people online too much but in real life I have found that those who share whatsapp messages or regurgitate them are amenable to being corrected on covid.

Being a doctor a lot of family members have approached me (sincerely) asking questions to things they've heard on whatsapp etc. Rather than dismissing them as gullible etc I do now take a more empathetic route to talk them through it.

I think critical thinking with regards to pseudoscience is a skill we have to somehow look into incorporating into society a lot more.
Government is trying to shut him up for telling the truth!!!! We have to save him!!!

There's this perception that all tin foil hatters have that believing in that crap is evidence that you 'think independently' without having governments tell you what to think. I really can't wrap my head around how they are coming to those conclusions, must be some need for sense of superiority. Agreed about final part - people are so gullible and seem to not realize that believing in YouTube videos isn't the right way to go. 'HOW CAN YOU BELIEVE TELEVISION AND FAKE NEWS WHEN TRUTH IS OUT THERE ON YOUTUBE'.
 

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I should go in your direction though, spying is a genuine concern but human intelligence is so prevalent that sometimes I suspect that these type of openly expressed concerns are for show and to manipulate the masses. In terms of technology, the US and all "major" nations trust no one and are worried about all external sources and even some internal ones. I don't think that the US intelligence has more trust in Qualcomm than they have in Huawei.
You think? Qualcomm is headquartered in the US. I'd say the US government trusts them a while lot more than Huawei.
 

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You think? Qualcomm is headquartered in the US. I'd say the US government trusts them a while lot more than Huawei.
Yeah, I'm sure the government and all the different agencies have official or unofficial contacts with such domestic organisations, as they can definitely be seen as part of the vital structures to national security.
 

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First findings from our nation wide testing study have been briefed to the media. Someone on Reddit has explained in a significantly better way that I ever could so I'll just post the link.


On a related note we've no new confirmed cases over the weekend (less testing) and 6 on Monday (all from the same nursing home). Our peak ICU capacity reached so far was at 35 %.
 

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So the UK now has the second highest death rate in the world for covid19. Absolutely shocking.
 

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So the UK now has the second highest death rate in the world for covid19. Absolutely shocking.
And yet I see feck all on the media or news there about how bad it is, even on the BBC it's barely mentioned. Yet when Italy and Spain were at their peak all your saw was stories about the horror over there. Shocking.
 

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As far as I know, Huawei at least supplies the main bits of infrastructure. That's pretty risky considering what we know about how smartphones and apps can be exploited. I'd imagine they'd be able to take over a nation's entire network if they wanted and at the very least siphon off whatever data they wanted at any time.
I'm a telecommunications engineer working on the decommission side of 2G, 3G and occasionally on the new 5G rollout. Huawei have been manufacturing the majority of equipment for every network provider since 4G. They have equipment all over the UK already and have done for almost a decade.
 

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You think? Qualcomm is headquartered in the US. I'd say the US government trusts them a while lot more than Huawei.
I do. They most likely have people inside that they trust, they most likely have people inside Huawei that they trust but they don't trust these organizations as a whole.
 

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And yet I see feck all on the media or news there about how bad it is, even on the BBC it's barely mentioned. Yet when Italy and Spain were at their peak all your saw was stories about the horror over there. Shocking.
I’ve checked BBC and Sky News and neither is mentioning that the death toll is now at over 32,000. It just seems to be the The Telegraph and Guardian reporting it. Very strange.
 

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WHO urges countries to investigate possible early Covid-19 cases after French study
The World Health Organization has said a study by Frenchscientists which suggests a man was infected with Covid-19 as early as 27 December was “not surprising”, and urged countries to investigate any other early suspicious cases.
 

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So with Virgin leaving Gatwick what’s our thoughts on aviation post Covid? Flying becoming more expensive, less flights and only for the rich i imagine.
 

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Makes me wonder, then, why the UK government is so keen to adopt Huawei's 5G tech, especially when that same government is trying to keep America sweet (in light of Brexit trade deals)...
For what it's worth, Huawei's 5g technology idea ahead of its competitors, and also supposedly cheaper. So it doesn't really make sense to pay more for less
 

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Because realistically, a relatively small country like the UK can't put all his eggs in the same basket, particular when the US basket is full of snakes.
Btw, the alternative to Huawei for now isn't US tech. I think it's Nokia.
 

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So with Virgin leaving Gatwick what’s our thoughts on aviation post Covid? Flying becoming more expensive, less flights and only for the rich i imagine.
I doubt that would happen, companies will be bailed out by the government. I imagine there's not even enough rich people flying around to sustain airlines. Maybe a few companies will fold but those who remain will still want to keep flight prices as competitive as possible.
 

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So with Virgin leaving Gatwick what’s our thoughts on aviation post Covid? Flying becoming more expensive, less flights and only for the rich i imagine.
It would be a good thing if there were less flying from a global warming perspective, but it doesn't seem fair to limit it to the rich. How about rationing, everyone's allowed one return flight every two years? For holiday freaks they could save up their entitlement and get a few countries in at one go by using trains when they got there. Probably the wrong thread though.
 

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So with Virgin leaving Gatwick what’s our thoughts on aviation post Covid? Flying becoming more expensive, less flights and only for the rich i imagine.
Covid or not I think flights prices should include the damage the given flight does to the climate. That obviously means it's more expensive.
 

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So with Virgin leaving Gatwick what’s our thoughts on aviation post Covid? Flying becoming more expensive, less flights and only for the rich i imagine.
You will continue to get cycles where airlines are competing on price, some will end up going bust, prices rise as the surviving airlines become dominant, leading to room for new competitors to come in, airlines competing on price, etc.

Short term flights will be cheap coming out of the lockdowns as airlines will be trying to attract customers. Prices will rise medium term as more airlines fail.
 

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So with Virgin leaving Gatwick what’s our thoughts on aviation post Covid? Flying becoming more expensive, less flights and only for the rich i imagine.
I dont think so
whatever happens the planes have already been built and are going to operate for somebody for the rest of their service life... that might be new companies if existing ones go bust but somebody will put the planes in the air and people will still get on them I think even if there is a tough couple of years for airlines the planes will be around for 20 years and somebody will be flying them at whatever price they can get for it
 

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I dont think so
whatever happens the planes have already been built and are going to operate for somebody for the rest of their service life... that might be new companies if existing ones go bust but somebody will put the planes in the air and people will still get on them I think even if there is a tough couple of years for airlines the planes will be around for 20 years and somebody will be flying them at whatever price they can get for it
Or there’s a surplus of planes because there’s not enough airlines to buy them, they get broken down for parts or left to rust on abandoned airbases.