SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

So with Virgin leaving Gatwick what’s our thoughts on aviation post Covid? Flying becoming more expensive, less flights and only for the rich i imagine.
 
Makes me wonder, then, why the UK government is so keen to adopt Huawei's 5G tech, especially when that same government is trying to keep America sweet (in light of Brexit trade deals)...

For what it's worth, Huawei's 5g technology idea ahead of its competitors, and also supposedly cheaper. So it doesn't really make sense to pay more for less
 
Because realistically, a relatively small country like the UK can't put all his eggs in the same basket, particular when the US basket is full of snakes.

Btw, the alternative to Huawei for now isn't US tech. I think it's Nokia.
 
So with Virgin leaving Gatwick what’s our thoughts on aviation post Covid? Flying becoming more expensive, less flights and only for the rich i imagine.

I doubt that would happen, companies will be bailed out by the government. I imagine there's not even enough rich people flying around to sustain airlines. Maybe a few companies will fold but those who remain will still want to keep flight prices as competitive as possible.
 
So with Virgin leaving Gatwick what’s our thoughts on aviation post Covid? Flying becoming more expensive, less flights and only for the rich i imagine.
It would be a good thing if there were less flying from a global warming perspective, but it doesn't seem fair to limit it to the rich. How about rationing, everyone's allowed one return flight every two years? For holiday freaks they could save up their entitlement and get a few countries in at one go by using trains when they got there. Probably the wrong thread though.
 
So with Virgin leaving Gatwick what’s our thoughts on aviation post Covid? Flying becoming more expensive, less flights and only for the rich i imagine.
Covid or not I think flights prices should include the damage the given flight does to the climate. That obviously means it's more expensive.
 
So with Virgin leaving Gatwick what’s our thoughts on aviation post Covid? Flying becoming more expensive, less flights and only for the rich i imagine.
You will continue to get cycles where airlines are competing on price, some will end up going bust, prices rise as the surviving airlines become dominant, leading to room for new competitors to come in, airlines competing on price, etc.

Short term flights will be cheap coming out of the lockdowns as airlines will be trying to attract customers. Prices will rise medium term as more airlines fail.
 
So with Virgin leaving Gatwick what’s our thoughts on aviation post Covid? Flying becoming more expensive, less flights and only for the rich i imagine.
I dont think so
whatever happens the planes have already been built and are going to operate for somebody for the rest of their service life... that might be new companies if existing ones go bust but somebody will put the planes in the air and people will still get on them I think even if there is a tough couple of years for airlines the planes will be around for 20 years and somebody will be flying them at whatever price they can get for it
 
I dont think so
whatever happens the planes have already been built and are going to operate for somebody for the rest of their service life... that might be new companies if existing ones go bust but somebody will put the planes in the air and people will still get on them I think even if there is a tough couple of years for airlines the planes will be around for 20 years and somebody will be flying them at whatever price they can get for it

Or there’s a surplus of planes because there’s not enough airlines to buy them, they get broken down for parts or left to rust on abandoned airbases.
 
Cuomo as now dragged his daughter into this with the "boyfriend" . It's like a reality show
 
How does the total death total today compared to last Tuesdays report?
 
Robert Peston asking how we can bring cumulative deaths down :lol:
 
UK now officially has the highest death toll in Europe

I've just looked at Germany's figures which say 7,000 and they have a population of 83 million. Genuine question for anyone but what's been the biggest factor in the difference?

Are they reporting their figures in line with other big European countries?
 
Have noticed car use rising a lot and hardly anyone walking about or jogging today even though it's a nice day again. We've had 2-3 weeks of good weather so maybe most have got bored of going on walks and exercising and decided driving to other places? Evening and night is still very quiet though.

UK now officially has the highest death toll in Europe

Italy and Spain still have to announce large amount of care home deaths. UK has done a batch of them which added thousands extra and also include community deaths. I read Italy was estimated to be 40k weeks ago but there's a huge backlog to work through. Barcelona have 3500 to announce.
 
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Deaths per head or excess deaths would be a far better metric than simply total deaths. Media will frenzy over the death toll being highest in Europe.
 
Deaths per head or excess deaths would be a far better metric than simply total deaths. Media will frenzy over the death toll being highest in Europe.

Total deaths is by far the most clean cut and unbiased metric there is. Everything else is liable to distort the picture when comparing countries. Although differences in how deaths are tracked/reported still make it problematic.
 


That's the first time she's impressed me. I always vote Labour so I always voted for Sadiq Khan when he was Tooting representative but I didn't think much of her when she replaced him (though obviously voted for her too). She's finally shown some substance, both for risking her health as well as standing up to yet another Tory cock. Well done Rosena.
 
Was feeling absolutely fine this morning and even went for a walk at lunch time. Then over the course of the afternoon have slowly started to feel lethargic and hot/cold and a bit “off” (technical term).

Just took my temp - 38.8°c :nervous:
 
Total deaths is by far the most clean cut and unbiased metric there is. Everything else is liable to distort the picture when comparing countries. Although differences in how deaths are tracked/reported still make it problematic.
I can't agree there. Every country measures their total deaths differently. Belgium, for example, includes deaths in care homes where Covid-19 is expected, but not confirmed. That gives them a significantly high death toll than, say, if they used Italy's definition of a death by Covid-19. Then you take into context variables like the size of cities, age of population etc. and it becomes an overly simplistic number that doesn't really mean anything.

Per head at the very least puts the number in relative terms.
 
Was feeling absolutely fine this morning and even went for a walk at lunch time. Then over the course of the afternoon have slowly started to feel lethargic and hot/cold and a bit “off” (technical term).

Just took my temp - 38.8°c :nervous:
Ah shit bud. Get to a doc and get checked out early.
 
I watched the pathetic Corona Virus update from Dominic Rabb.

Firstly I struggle to believe the 80,000 + covid tests.
Home testing is a significant contribution. And yet, on the Government website where you order the home test kits showed they were unavailable until yesterday afternoon.

Regarding the Contract Tracking app. He was asked why the UK has decided to develop its own and not use a standard system.

To this, he answered the the UK 'has the highest standards'.
So, the rest of the world has lower standards....

He talked about wanting the UK to provide its own due to the security aspect.
This from a government who ignored the advice of many other countries by allowing Huawei to work on the 5G network.
 
Was feeling absolutely fine this morning and even went for a walk at lunch time. Then over the course of the afternoon have slowly started to feel lethargic and hot/cold and a bit “off” (technical term).

Just took my temp - 38.8°c :nervous:

My very best wishes to you and cross fingers it is nothing to worry about.
 
Was feeling absolutely fine this morning and even went for a walk at lunch time. Then over the course of the afternoon have slowly started to feel lethargic and hot/cold and a bit “off” (technical term).

Just took my temp - 38.8°c :nervous:

Get yourself a test booked my man!
 
It will indeed. Meanwhile I’m taking these claims re herd immunity with a massive pinch of salt. Completely contradicts all available data on mortality from every other country.

Let’s just hope they don’t issue a press release announcing herd immunity after they’ve tested their first 100 patients! ;)

Anyway, herd immunity long term issue. So not important now. Main thing is you’ve loads of ICU beds still available. Which is good to see.

Karolinska did this again for Stockholm region @Pogue Mahone with average testing day 11th April, so not too far off the original findings. 10% had the virus then.

https://www.kth.se/en/aktuellt/nyheter/10-procent-av-stockholmarna-smittade-1.980727

Should give FHM alot of confidence in their model’s 26% prediction for Stockholm Region in early May.
 
Get yourself a test booked my man!

Who can apply for a test
You can apply for a test if you are:

  • an essential worker with coronavirus symptoms
  • aged 65 or over with coronavirus symptoms
  • someone who cannot work from home and has coronavirus symptoms (for example, construction workers or delivery drivers)
Anyone with coronavirus symptoms can apply if they live with an essential worker, a person aged 65 or over, or someone who travels to work.

No can do!
 
So with Virgin leaving Gatwick what’s our thoughts on aviation post Covid? Flying becoming more expensive, less flights and only for the rich i imagine.

Assorted insights from aviation/aerospace industry

1. Business travel will be permanently altered, with many companies successfully adapting to a "work remote" culture. Ultimately airlines that rely on business travel to fill high value seats will be inpacted.

2. With a lot of people worldwide entering economic uncertainty there will simply be less demand for air travel. Additional squeeze on the airlines, some of who were struggling pre Corona

3. Airframers and major subcontractors to airframers are already being impacted. Boeing and Embraer's merger fell apart, Spirit Aerostructures and GE Aviation announcing layoffs, Airbus pushing out demand. Companies that are overly leveraged in the commercial sector (as opposed to having significant work in the defense sector) will feel the pain more. And layoffs will have an impact on the job market and economic health.

4. Long story short: too early to say with confidence whether ticket prices will rise across the board... If demand remains anemic then prices will have to adjust to meet that. But the number of flights will definitely reduce. Lufthansa for example have said they will come out of this a leaner fleet. Less flexibility in airline routes and times. Definitely an increase in prices on routes with little competition, as much as the market can bear.
 
The UK numbers are pretty bad considering they had more time to take action than Spain or Italy, even if the true numbers of Spain and Italy are much higher it doesn't negate the fact that the government dropped the ball. Many countries across Europe had more or less the same time to prepare and they have dealt with it much better when you consider the circumstances.

Edit: I should also add that people have to take accountability for this too, all those who were flouting the rules, going down the pub, carrying on as normal and then spreading it friends and relatives. The ones who didn't take it seriously, said it was just a flu etc. There's only so much a government can do but if people aren't don't cooperate then they undermine everything.
 
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I dont think so
whatever happens the planes have already been built and are going to operate for somebody for the rest of their service life... that might be new companies if existing ones go bust but somebody will put the planes in the air and people will still get on them I think even if there is a tough couple of years for airlines the planes will be around for 20 years and somebody will be flying them at whatever price they can get for it

If fuel prices remain stupidly low then we will see early retirements of older, fuel inefficient planes to get newer planes which are way more efficient, and which the airliners will be selling at significant discounts either up front or on the back end wrt maintenance.