Protests following the killing of George Floyd

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To call this predictable would be an understatement.
One of his previous tweet was about the democrats, now he plays the Antifa/radical left angle and next he is going to directly link Antifas and radical left to the democrats.
 

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Thing is both antifa and Trump supporters want chaos and violence. Equally. It's part of the process: who is on your side and who is the enemy within? That's how you quell a real revolution, by introducing confusion.

Hopefully the Minnesota mayor is more on top of this than anyone else, and more importantly is only interested in the truth.
 

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One of his previous tweet was about the democrats, now he plays the Antifa/radical left angle and next he is going to directly link Antifas and radical left to the democrats.
I thought he uses radical left and Democrats synonymously these days.
 

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Thing is both antifa and Trump supporters want chaos and violence. Equally. It's part of the process: who is on your side and who is the enemy within? That's how you quell a real revolution, by introducing confusion.

Hopefully the Minnesota mayor is more on top of this than anyone else, and more importantly is only interested in the truth.
Antifa aren’t anything like what you have been told they are.
 

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Thing is both antifa and Trump supporters want chaos and violence. Equally. It's part of the process: who is on your side and who is the enemy within? That's how you quell a real revolution, by introducing confusion.

Hopefully the Minnesota mayor is more on top of this than anyone else, and more importantly is only interested in the truth.
Even the name antifascist says that is anti, a reaccion. So no. Antifa react to fascist movements. No fascist trump followers action, no antifa reaction. So is not equally, there is a first. And the second it has all the right to react against the first
 

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Fair enough, Pexbo and 4bars. I certainly wasn't making them out as bad guys. Good to know they are doing the right things. The confusion point stands where MAGA supporters will carry the antifa banner and cause trouble from within the protestor circle.
 

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Fair enough, Pexbo and 4bars. I certainly wasn't making them out as bad guys. Good to know they are doing the right things. The confusion point stands where MAGA supporters will carry the antifa banner and cause trouble from within the protestor circle.
The background of what is now called AntiFa is really interesting and includes some very brave and good people. Worth reading up on if you’re interested. Basically they were the only ones physically standing up for oppressed minorities when the police were firmly on the side of the ones attacking them.
 

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Are we moments away from another Kent State incident?

I fear the NG rolling up into all this. It just seems like a ticking time bomb with the tensions. And we just know the percentages are a few of those NGs are going to be sympathetic to LEO, or to white nationalism, or to the Orange Raider. Recipe for disaster.
 

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The background of what is now called AntiFa is really interesting and includes some very brave and good people. Worth reading up on if you’re interested. Basically they were the only ones physically standing up for oppressed minorities when the police were firmly on the side of the ones attacking them.
The problem with the perception of the AntiFa is that enough radical leftists used them as banner to commit acts of violence and destruction on a similar level as radicals from the other end of the political spectre. Extremism of any kind is just harmful and counter productive. From an outsiders perspective the problem in the US is that the rift between social and conservative ideologies has grown so wide and deep at this point that moderation between both sides seems extremely difficult. There is no place anymore for actual political discourse, just an us vs. them culture, inflamed more and more by the fool in the Oval Office and the GOP in genereal in a desperate attempt to cling to power while the Democrats can´t get their shit together and actually build a unified front.
 

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Just a random one but this is one of my favourite songs, and seems rather appropriate for the current situation.

 

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To be fair to the cops at the bottom, they have no idea what the red truck driver has done and can only see loads of ANGRY people tying to smash up the truck.

This crisis is well and truly out of control, as police are wilfully or accidentally committing many other transgressions for civilians to empathise with and localise to.

Anyone want to predict how this whole thing will play out and for how long?


 
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Its a shit situation all round. But if protestors are blocking the car and preventing the driver from going anywhere, what exactly is their recourse here? It seemed like the driver revved aggressively to get the protesters to move out of the way - which worked - so took the opportunity to get the feck out of there.

The cops should have prevented the initial situation, but they arent wrong for then preventing the protesters from enacting mob justice either. The videos dont go on long enough to see if the cops then actually arrest/warn the driver, so it is unclear.
 

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Meanwhile in Peckham South London ...

 
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The problem with the perception of the AntiFa is that enough radical leftists used them as banner to commit acts of violence and destruction on a similar level as radicals from the other end of the political spectre. Extremism of any kind is just harmful and counter productive. From an outsiders perspective the problem in the US is that the rift between social and conservative ideologies has grown so wide and deep at this point that moderation between both sides seems extremely difficult. There is no place anymore for actual political discourse, just an us vs. them culture, inflamed more and more by the fool in the Oval Office and the GOP in genereal in a desperate attempt to cling to power while the Democrats can´t get their shit together and actually build a unified front.

The problem then are not the antifa but the people that are not antifa and use their banner to legistimize whichever crimes and acts of violence. I don't see anyone that is not nazi or fascist grabbing their banner to legitimize their actions.

Therefore is not fair comparing antifa vs fascist being the same. At most would be compare fake antifa vs fascist
 

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If you're antifa and you're at the protest and you're not black, you need to be there to protect black people and not use this as an opportunity to cosplay your revolution fantasy and escalate things.
 

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Obviously there should be protests against what happened (and happens again and again in the US) but it's disturbing that this is going on during a pandemic. Infection rates will probably go through the roof in 2 weeks time when not all those people are wearing masks.
 

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If you're antifa and you're at the protest and you're not black, you need to be there to protect black people and not use this as an opportunity to cosplay your revolution fantasy and escalate things.
Do you actually have some documented examples of all this AntiFa escalation we keep hearing about? Because I hear a lot of right wingers talking about it, but not much actual evidence of it.
 

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Its a shit situation all round. But if protestors are blocking the car and preventing the driver from going anywhere, what exactly is their recourse here? It seemed like the driver revved aggressively to get the protesters to move out of the way - which worked - so took the opportunity to get the feck out of there.

The cops should have prevented the initial situation, but they arent wrong for then preventing the protesters from enacting mob justice either. The videos dont go on long enough to see if the cops then actually arrest/warn the driver, so it is unclear.
That's all true...you're obstructing a public road. People did this in CA yesterday, on a highway.

I'm all for protesting, but so many people haven't gotten a clue in how to organize and mobilize effectively.
 

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He's been trying to goad Iran into it his entire presidency, IMO.
Nah, to be fair to the cnut if he wanted a war he could easily have started one after the retaliatory Iranian missile strikes. He’s much more likely to use force against someone much weaker than Iran.
 

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To be fair to the cops at the bottom, they have no idea what the red truck driver has done and can only see loads of ANGRY people tying to smash up the truck.

This crisis is well and truly out of control, as police are wilfully or accidentally committing many other transgressions for civilians to empathise with and localise to.

Anyone want to predict how this whole thing will play out and for how long?


@Florida Man - man that panhandle is acting up again.
 

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That’s where I caught it :lol: OJ aside, I mean - even for Fox that’s pretty low right? This is a man who is on tape spewing racial epitaphs.
I remember reading an OJ-trial book by the society & Vanity Fair author Dominick Dunne, in which he lauded Fuhrman as a fine, highly intelligent, 'great cop' and misunderstood man who'd been wrongly ostracised. As the Caf saying goes, Dunne went down in my estimation.
 

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Trump must be the fastest draw in the West when it comes to politicising events.
 

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The problem with the perception of the AntiFa is that enough radical leftists used them as banner to commit acts of violence and destruction on a similar level as radicals from the other end of the political spectre.
That would mean comparable to Christchurch, Charleston, Pittsburgh, El Paso, Oklahoma City, Utoya, the NSU murders, Hanau, Rostock-Lichtenhagen, Solingen (and many, many more). Can you point to examples in the last few decades?
 

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To be fair to the cops at the bottom, they have no idea what the red truck driver has done and can only see loads of ANGRY people tying to smash up the truck.

This crisis is well and truly out of control, as police are wilfully or accidentally committing many other transgressions for civilians to empathise with and localise to.

Anyone want to predict how this whole thing will play out and for how long?


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