Protests following the killing of George Floyd
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You want to be oppressed so bad
I literally call out white people on racism and stuff like that all the time explicitly using the word ‘white’. Go through my post history. Why would I only now choose to be subtle by using the phrase ‘people like you’? 
Also it isn’t just white people who derail these kind of matters.edit: @fergies coat my bad this was meant to be a response to your post saying ‘if I said people like you to that lady’
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Don't try and defend yourself here, you've been caught red handed!You want to be oppressed so bad
Eh? When was the UK founded? you mean 1700s?
Just realised I replied to your post by mistake sorryDon't try and defend yourself here, you've been caught red handed!
If you are actually an 'innocent' who is trying to find the right words and struggling to do so, then you are going to have to take on board a plethora of posts in this thread that break down what racism is.
You're understanding of 'it' seems to be with regard to person-to-person or group-to-group interactions where overt racism is expressed or used against a non-white person - a racial slur or a racially aggravated physical assault, for instance. If that was the 'only' issue to face instead of systemic, institutional or implicit racism, the issue(s) would be much, much smaller than they currently are.
Regardless, this is a tiny fraction of the issue - a person of colour can go through their entire life and not once experience the kind of overt racism you are referring to, but still be crushed by the weight of the racial oppression and glass ceilings placed in their path. The kind of racism you cannot see can often be the most hurtful, destructive and psychologically damaging - as your bolded, the UK most certainly isn't the same land as 30-40 years ago where skinheads went hunting for ethnic minorities to do harm to or where physical assault on non-white people were commonplace - and tellingly unworthy of making the news unless something as heinous as the Stephen Lawrence case - or Union Jack banners draped over any building was a warning to ethnic minorities that they were walking on eggshells. So in the sense you are referring to, you may well feel things are different and racial tolerance is at an all-time high - ostensibly, you'd be correct in that notion; that kind of brazen hostility is nowhere near as common these days.
The other side of the coin is that the UK's institutional and systemic practices of racism, sans meagre bones of tokenism, shows what the reality actually is: where the police force - those who are supposed to protect and serve - was deemed institutionally racist; where POC are routinely stopped and searched or generally harassed for the colour of their skin first and foremost; where non-white people aren't surprised to be tailed around shops the moment they enter the store; where boardrooms are comfortably 90%+ white. To cut a very long story short, the playing field is far from equal - not being born white shouldn't see you face setbacks, obstacles, and be stigmatised or have aspersions cast upon you. It shouldn't even need saying and it shouldn't need Kumbaya rhetoric for the point of contention to be loud and clear.
When the above paragraph becomes a risible notion, it will be fair to say the UK is not racist. We are generations - if ever - from that being the case. The surface level racism you refer to is the least of the concerns - tip of the iceberg, you might say - as in a fair and just society those responsible for such actions would be rightly penalised judiciously and become social pariahs, not slapped on the wrist by the powers that be, or tutted at by mates and told to not do it again.
@One Night Only I agree with that post you deleted.
I'm getting tired of people hounding posters and calling them racist for no good reason
I'm getting tired of people hounding posters and calling them racist for no good reason
I read that Churchill was such a drunk, he often shat his pants.
I deleted it because I thought I'd regret it tbh, as soon as your views don't entirely align with the majority you get "racist" flung at you. It's absolutely disgusting behaviour.
But I'm sure the reason isn't actually empathy with murdered Jews (or non-Jewish Holocaust victims). The reason is deflection of the criticism towards British colonialism and the role the nation and its leaders like Churchill have played in it. Confusing these two motives leads to the "all lives matter" logic against supposedly privileged victims. That really has to be avoided.
Apart from that, I don't think it can be argued that Churchill reached the genocidal levels of Hitler. The problem begins when this is used as an implicit or explicit defense of Churchill - one of the worst and most meaningless defenses imaginable.
Finally, it must also be said that from the perspective of the individual victim, these differences are irrelevant. So this is not meant to establish a hierarchy of victims, but to argue against that fatal logic.
Yeah actually you’re right I see how it comes across
Akcshually, up until 1801 it was just the Kingdom of Great Britain.
I was referring to the British Empire. Which was mentioned in the next sentence in that post.
In retrospect maybe would've been more accurate to insert the word modern. And say 'modern' Britain is founded on racism. Meh.
Glad I managed to make it plausible somehow. I find it a hugely complicated issue myself.
A few weeks ago, @Cascarino pointed me towards Piers Morgan as a prime example for the nationalist demagogy over Churchill.
It's happening left right and center in the thread. Look, some deserve the flak they getting, but others look like they just come in here to fight and criticize any view that isn't there's. It's why I just read and watch videos than engage with any point for long.
Hopefully people can learn to engage civilly and not resort to insults and childish behavior.
It's been stupid since the start. Churchill is a tactically naive target for a BLM movement. Idealists need to be more pragmatic.
Victims of police brutality and hate crimes
I think this is a good chance to add the names of others who have been victims of police brutality. Like Breonna Taylor, Tony McDade, Eric Salgado, Nina Pop, Monika Diamond, Dreasjon Reed. Often it is black trans men, and woc who are subjected to the worst of police brutality and hate crimes. It should go without saying that any discussion around police brutality that doesn't address this is bound to fail again. I think it'll be helpful to threadmark and keep track of the sheer amount of stories related to police brutality just in the last few months.
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Ok yeah. Well surely colonialism is just capitalist racism. Has there been any example of benevolent colonialism?
Jesus fcuking Christ I’ve only read two of your posts and have blocked you already. How old are you? Do you just vomit this shit into a keyboard? Take a break. Go and read a book.
I don't dispute any part of your comment, I just found this part interesting as I'm not sure what you mean by it. Do you think criminal behaviour should make you an outcast in a society? Or is your view based on the severity of the act, i.e. racism is too heinous of an act to seek reforming at all?
First one of those links I clicked on, Nina Pop, gave some info on her (tragic) case and it turns out that it’s got nothing whatsoever to do with police brutality.
Might be a good idea to track the victims of police brutality in this thread but looks like you can’t be trusted to take on the task.
EDIT: Ditto Monika Diamond. You’re obviously so desperate to crowbar in the trans community into a discussion on police brutality you’re willing to make shit up and hope nobody notices. That’s weird.
It's fair to say that Leopold's Congo adventures put him in the same general category as Hitler.
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I'd rather they spent nearly 9 minutes making some laws that actually did something.
Don't know how anyone could dispute this at this point.
I think it is important to know her name because she was still a victim of violence. And her case is still not solved. Most of these cases go unsolved especially if they are of trans men or women. Police Brutality and hate crimes against LGBTQ members are more connected than you think.
Democrats are only interested in pandering. No chance they would actually make real changes
Whatever, if we’re documenting incidents of police brutality (which you said was your intention) then her name (and Monika Diamond’s) don’t belong on that list.
Unless you’re trying to give the impression that police brutality towards trans people is so rare we should include examples where there wasn’t actually any police brutality?
but but but making laws doesn't get the retweets, the pics, and the hashtags
Ground work is so tiring. Social media is easy work
In what world can the house minority just make up whatever laws they want?
What an outrageous statement. What barometer are you using here? What country are you comparing us to or society even in history? By your logic is every single country a racist country in the history of the human race?
By your logic, can we say that the UK isn’t a cold country because Scandinavian countries are ‘actually cold’?
Also should we call ourselves a murderous country because thier happens to be murders in the UK every year or for that fact every single country in the world/society theres ever been? And your right maybe the UK is a fascist country too because there happens to be some fascists in this country?
Your very clearly talking in extremes.
It's hardly an outrageous statement, just look at who the prime minister is.
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Sorry if this is the wrong place to post this.
CrossFit doing damage control after their CEO made a George Floyrd related joke. Reebok have already severed ties apparently.
yeah I'm not seeing a climate that allows George Floyd jokes currently.
Some compete and utter bollocks being posted in here over the past few pages. The funny thing is they don't actually see the irony in how they are behaving towards others in making their points.
Thread should be closed until everyone calms down.
Thread should be closed until everyone calms down.
Yeah this is becoming a common theme, in here and all over social media. People plucking names and cases out of thin air to try and prove something without doing research. There’s been people on twitter posting about a lad in the U.K. who died after swallowing eighty wraps of coke and it’s been put in the list of ‘police brutality’ related deaths.
It just doesn’t help at all, everyone knows there’s a problem, you can find more than enough cases to make a point but there’s no need to resort to spreading false information and if you’re one of those people who simply reposts everything you see, STOP. Do your own research.
If that general category is ‘Despicable people’, then Yes. But that’s not much of a discussion point t.
Instead of closing the thread, people should probably just debate a bit more constructively, especially given that everyone already knows its an emotionally charged subject.
Jokes are fine. They just have to be Really funny to overcome something huge. His wasn’t funny at all.