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Oh come off it. You surely realize how transparent you are.
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And if i said people like you to that lady what would you think?
Oh come off it. You surely realize how transparent you are.
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And if i said people like you to that lady what would you think?
Go on, I don't know what she meant.
Don't try and defend yourself here, you've been caught red handed!You want to be oppressed so bad I literally call out white people on racism and stuff like that all the time explicitly using the word ‘white’. Go through my post history. Why would I only now choose to be subtle by using the phrase ‘people like you’? Also it isn’t just white people who derail these kind of matters.
To be fair mate, the UK was founded on racism. From the British Empire atrocities and slave trade to modern day Windrush unlawful deportations and Grenfell. It is very comparable to racist countries.
Just realised I replied to your post by mistake sorryDon't try and defend yourself here, you've been caught red handed!
If you are actually an 'innocent' who is trying to find the right words and struggling to do so, then you are going to have to take on board a plethora of posts in this thread that break down what racism is.On the whole no, I don’t think it’s a racist country. Maybe 30-40 years ago Yes, but times have changed. The majority are not racist.
There is still a lot of work to do and hopefully this is the start of that.
I live by the principle that a persons actions are what defines them, not the colour of their skin or nationality.
Let’s just all stop being cnuts to each other. If we can do that the world will be a better place.
I deleted it because I thought I'd regret it tbh, as soon as your views don't entirely align with the majority you get "racist" flung at you. It's absolutely disgusting behaviour.@One Night Only I agree with that post you deleted.
I'm getting tired of people hounding posters and calling them racist for no good reason
But I'm sure the reason isn't actually empathy with murdered Jews (or non-Jewish Holocaust victims). The reason is deflection of the criticism towards British colonialism and the role the nation and its leaders like Churchill have played in it. Confusing these two motives leads to the "all lives matter" logic against supposedly privileged victims. That really has to be avoided.But people defending Churchill themselves in this thread and the Churchill one were the ones saying he’s not as bad as Hitler
Yeah actually you’re right I see how it comes acrossBut I'm sure the reason isn't actually empathy with murdered Jews (or non-Jewish Holocaust victims). The reason is deflection of the criticism towards British colonialism and the role the nation and its leaders like Churchill have played in it. Confusing these two motives leads to the "all lives matter" logic against supposedly privileged victims. That really has to be avoided.
Apart from that, I don't think it can be argued that Churchill reached the genocidal levels of Hitler. The problem begins when this is used as an implicit or explicit defense of Churchill - one of the worst and most meaningless defenses imaginable.
Finally, it must also be said that from the perspective of the individual victim, these differences are irrelevant. So this is not meant to establish a hierarchy of victims, but to argue against that fatal logic.
Akcshually, up until 1801 it was just the Kingdom of Great Britain.Eh? When was the UK founded? you mean 1700s?
I was referring to the British Empire. Which was mentioned in the next sentence in that post.Eh? When was the UK founded? you mean 1700s?
Glad I managed to make it plausible somehow. I find it a hugely complicated issue myself.Yeah actually you’re right I see how it comes across
It's happening left right and center in the thread. Look, some deserve the flak they getting, but others look like they just come in here to fight and criticize any view that isn't there's. It's why I just read and watch videos than engage with any point for long.I deleted it because I thought I'd regret it tbh, as soon as your views don't entirely align with the majority you get "racist" flung at you. It's absolutely disgusting behaviour.
It's been stupid since the start. Churchill is a tactically naive target for a BLM movement. Idealists need to be more pragmatic.This is getting stupid now.
I was referring to the British Empire. Which was mentioned in the next sentence in that post.
In retrospect maybe would've been more accurate to insert the word modern. And say 'modern' Britain is founded on racism. Meh.
Jesus fcuking Christ I’ve only read two of your posts and have blocked you already. How old are you? Do you just vomit this shit into a keyboard? Take a break. Go and read a book.This is a good point. Seems like the genocidal acts of Churchill and King Léopold etc. do not matter or are ‘not as bad’ because their victims were people of colour even though what they did is literally no different to Hitler.
I don't dispute any part of your comment, I just found this part interesting as I'm not sure what you mean by it. Do you think criminal behaviour should make you an outcast in a society? Or is your view based on the severity of the act, i.e. racism is too heinous of an act to seek reforming at all?The surface level racism you refer to is the least of the concerns - tip of the iceberg, you might say - as in a fair and just society those responsible for such actions would be rightly penalised judiciously and become social pariahs, not slapped on the wrist by the powers that be, or tutted at by mates and told to not do it again.
First one of those links I clicked on, Nina Pop, gave some info on her (tragic) case and it turns out that it’s got nothing whatsoever to do with police brutality.I think this is a good chance to add the names of others who have been victims of police brutality. Like Breonna Taylor, Tony McDade, Eric Salgado, Nina Pop, Monika Diamond, Dreasjon Reed. Often it is black trans men, and woc who are subjected to the worst of police brutality. It should go without saying that any discussion around police brutality that doesn't address this is bound to fail again. I think it'll be helpful to threadmark and keep track of the sheer amount of stories related to police brutality just in the last few months.
It's fair to say that Leopold's Congo adventures put him in the same general category as Hitler.Jesus fcuking Christ I’ve only read two of your posts and have blocked you already. How old are you? Do you just vomit this shit into a keyboard? Take a break. Go and read a book.
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Don't know how anyone could dispute this at this point.It's fair to say that Leopold's Congo adventures put him in the same general category as Hitler.
I think it is important to know her name because she was still a victim of violence. And her case is still not solved. Most of these cases go unsolved especially if they are of trans men or women. Police Brutality and hate crimes against LGBTQ members are more connected than you think.First one of those links I clicked on, Nina Pop, gave some info on her (tragic) case and it turns out that it’s got nothing whatsoever to do with police brutality.
Might be a good idea to track the victims of police brutality in this thread but looks like you can’t be trusted to take on the task.
Democrats are only interested in pandering. No chance they would actually make real changesI'd rather they spent nearly 9 minutes making some laws that actually did something.
Whatever, if we’re documenting incidents of police brutality (which you said was your intention) then her name (and Monika Diamond’s) don’t belong on that list.I think it is important to know her name because she was still a victim of violence. And her case is still not solved. Most of these cases go unsolved especially if they are of trans men or women. Police Brutality and hate crimes against LGBTQ members are more connected than you think.
but but but making laws doesn't get the retweets, the pics, and the hashtagsI'd rather they spent nearly 9 minutes making some laws that actually did something.
Ground work is so tiring. Social media is easy workI'd rather they spent nearly 9 minutes making some laws that actually did something.
In what world can the house minority just make up whatever laws they want?I'd rather they spent nearly 9 minutes making some laws that actually did something.
What an outrageous statement. What barometer are you using here? What country are you comparing us to or society even in history? By your logic is every single country a racist country in the history of the human race?The UK is very much a racist country. The problem with people like you is that you can only see things in extremes so because there are no camps like China (or whatever they have going on over there) or no killing of black men in cold blood like America (even though it does and has happened here just not at the same rate and the same kind of brutality) it means that the UK is not racist? Ask any person of colour, including myself, what we have to deal with. Oh but because people aren’t outright calling us the n word all the time and there is no widespread neo nazi/redneck/white supremacist culture over here it means that we should be lucky and the UK is racism free
By your logic, can we say that the UK isn’t a cold country because Scandinavian countries are ‘actually cold’?
It's hardly an outrageous statement, just look at who the prime minister is.What an outrageous statement. What barometer are you using here? What country are you comparing us to or society even in history? By your logic is every single country a racist country in the history of the human race?
Also should we call ourselves a murderous country because thier happens to be murders in the UK every year or for that fact every single country in the world/society theres ever been? And your right maybe the UK is a fascist country because there happens to be some fascists in this country too?
Your very clearly talking in extremes.
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Yeah this is becoming a common theme, in here and all over social media. People plucking names and cases out of thin air to try and prove something without doing research. There’s been people on twitter posting about a lad in the U.K. who died after swallowing eighty wraps of coke and it’s been put in the list of ‘police brutality’ related deaths.First one of those links I clicked on, Nina Pop, gave some info on her (tragic) case and it turns out that it’s got nothing whatsoever to do with police brutality.
Might be a good idea to track the victims of police brutality in this thread but looks like you can’t be trusted to take on the task.
EDIT: Ditto Monika Diamond. You’re obviously so desperate to crowbar in the trans community into a discussion on police brutality you’re willing to make shit up and hope nobody notices. That’s weird.
If that general category is ‘Despicable people’, then Yes. But that’s not much of a discussion point t.It's fair to say that Leopold's Congo adventures put him in the same general category as Hitler.
Instead of closing the thread, people should probably just debate a bit more constructively, especially given that everyone already knows its an emotionally charged subject.Some compete and utter bollocks being posted in here over the past few pages. The funny thing is they don't actually see the irony in how they are behaving towards others in making their points.
Thread should be closed until everyone calms down.
Jokes are fine. They just have to be Really funny to overcome something huge. His wasn’t funny at all.yeah I'm not seeing a climate that allows George Floyd jokes currently.