Protests following the killing of George Floyd

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I watched it. Got the impression that it wasnt meant to be the headline event, that he was just supporting various other speakers. His speech was reasonable, although for such an accomplished statesman I thought it was a little bit lacklustre.
He's not on a ballot anymore so maybe he's less interested?
tbf, I didn't watch it either.
 

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From memory it's a bit of both. Blacks are poorer by design, have a tougher access to education by design and poorer/uneducated communities are more likely to be involved in crimes violent and petty, now it has also been demonstrated that blacks are not treated equally by the judicial and policing systems and will generally be handed harsher punishments. Policing and profiling are also designed to target them even when it makes no statistical sense.

Here you have an article that illustrates it.

Edit: Regarding education and what happens to poorer communities, I invite people to search for "Baltimore schools heating".
Thanks, man. I'm just curious that if other non-white race is in-charge of power, they wouldn't do the same (or even worse). What do you think?
 

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I'm sorry that the issue of raising awareness about racism has come at an inconvient time for you. Do you think the people out protesting are unaware of the fact there's a pandemic going on? And yet they still go there and essentially risk their lives to raise the point
As a result of this protest in London, how many deaths of black people in this city, in the whole of the UK, or the whole of the world do you think will be avoided? The answer is very, very likely to be zero. Okay now how many deaths of black people (..or non black people) in the UK will result directly and indirectly from this protest? That is why this protest is such madness. There are so many other ways people can show solidarity. They will be responsible for more deaths in their communities than deaths at the hands of police officers. They chant Mark Duggan but they should be chanting their own names and the names of their loved ones.
 

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As a result of this protest in London, how many deaths of black people in this city, in the whole of the UK, or the whole of the world do you think will be avoided? The answer is very, very likely to be zero. Okay now how many deaths of black people (..or non black people) in the UK will result directly and indirectly from this protest? That is why this protest is such madness. There are so many other ways people can show solidarity. They will be responsible for more deaths in their communities than deaths at the hands of police officers. They chant Mark Duggan but they should be chanting their own names and the names of their loved ones.
That's crazy talk, a very terrible post, imagine being scared to die for making a positive change in community, to dismiss the right of protesting is just insane.
 

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Do tell. The title of it might be.
Might be? It is. Says a monument is defaced, its not, somebody did graffiti somewhere else. David Vance is inciting racial hatred.
You're quoting one of the most vilest creatures in twittersphere who amongst bigotry against muslims, transpeople also wants to bomb places
 

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As a result of this protest in London, how many deaths of black people in this city, in the whole of the UK, or the whole of the world do you think will be avoided? The answer is very, very likely to be zero. Okay now how many deaths of black people (..or non black people) in the UK will result directly and indirectly from this protest? That is why this protest is such madness. There are so many other ways people can show solidarity. They will be responsible for more deaths in their communities than deaths at the hands of police officers. They chant Mark Duggan but they should be chanting their own names and the names of their loved ones.
What a fecking terrible take.
 

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When I absolutely failed to articulate my point the other night on here, this was the point I was trying to put across regarding the negative elements of “rioting” and it having a negative effect.

That lady gets it. That's another good way to put people's protest count.
 

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The New York Times disgraces itself:

 

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This makes you think. Nine fingers left for me.
...3 or 5 fingers left for me, depending on whether ethnic/regional slurs qualify as racial(they're more like racist-adjacent). And i'm white and italian and lived most of my life in italy. Damn it Italy :lol:
 

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That's crazy talk, a very terrible post, imagine being scared to die for making a positive change in community, to dismiss the right of protesting is just insane.
What's insane is that people are defending this protest in the UK at this time. The murder of George Floyd and police brutality is a much more pertinent and current threat to black people in the USA. If the UK protest is a direct response to that event then it's pointless because it will have no bearing on the situation in the US. If the protest is more about racism as a whole in the UK and globally then why now, in the middle of a pandemic? It's fecking stupid.
 

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...3 or 5 fingers left for me, depending on whether ethnic/regional slurs qualify as racial(they're more like racist-adjacent). And i'm white and italian and lived most of my life in italy. Damn it Italy :lol:
I lost a few fingers but one was down to excessive flatulence in an elevator, so hardly counts
 

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fooking hell. Boris better get away from his bedroom window

Good stuff. Our prime minister needs to directly condemn/challenge Trump. They can’t stand by and watch as the US govt behaves like a dictatorship.

If Trump gets in again you can only fear the worst for America.
 

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Might be? It is. Says a monument is defaced, its not, somebody did graffiti somewhere else. David Vance is inciting racial hatred.
You're quoting one of the most vilest creatures in twittersphere who amongst bigotry against muslims, transpeople also wants to bomb places
What's the difference between me posting that video and someone else sharing a Donald Trump video?
 

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Fair enough.

It's ok leaving it at that, and allowing this said persecuted community to decide how to navigate this complicated landscape.
The repercussions don’t rest solely with the “persecuted community”. If cases spike, it’s going to affect virtually everyone. I don’t get how you seem to be placing maximum sanctity on protecting human life, which you see as under threat by police brutality and racism, yet don’t similarly find the threat of coronavirus to human life quite worrying? People can be horrified by racism and terrified that coronavirus might spread to their loved ones, or their wider community. Let’s not rank who’s the more upstanding citizen by what crisis they feel most aggrieved by.
 

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Good stuff. Our prime minister needs to directly condemn/challenge Trump. They can’t stand by and watch as the US govt behaves like a dictatorship.

If Trump gets in again you can only fear the worst for America.
Don’t expect Johnson to turn against Trump over the issue of race. He’s more likely to phone him up and share a joke with him because of it.
 

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What's insane is that people are defending this protest in the UK at this time. The murder of George Floyd and police brutality is a much more pertinent and current threat to black people in the USA. If the UK protest is a direct response to that event then it's pointless because it will have no bearing on the situation in the US. If the protest is more about racism as a whole in the UK and globally then why now, in the middle of a pandemic? It's fecking stupid.
Just because it might happen more in the US doesn't mean it's not an issue in the UK though does it? As to why now you could ask the same question any time the protests might happen, the timing us irrelevant, the people 100% the right to express their frustrations and ask for their rights that might be more relevant to them than the pandemic, just because the pandemic is the biggest problem in YOUR life right now doesn't mean they share the same sentiment.
 

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What's the difference between me posting that video and someone else sharing a Donald Trump video?
Oh maybe it's because Trump is president of the US and that's why people have to take a look at what he says unlike the common racist person.
 

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What's the difference between me posting that video and someone else sharing a Donald Trump video?
Trump is the President of the USA. His voice is important. David Vance is a sad old man known to less than 1% of the British public. His voice is only important if people share it - like you are.
 

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Exactly. Video didn’t match description, therefore inaccurate.

Don’t post stupid tweets by stupid people next time.
So next time if I see a relevant video worth posting to the caf from twitter I will make sure to vet them just in case they might be a bad guy. And then I will try and find the same video posted by someone else who isn't quite as offensive. Got it.
 

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So next time if I see a relevant video worth posting to the caf from twitter I will make sure to vet them just in case they might be a bad guy. And then I will try and find the same video posted by someone else who isn't quite as offensive. Got it.
Make sure the video matches the description too rather than the description trying to ignite division.
 

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The New York Times disgraces itself:

It's an opinion piece that they are publishing, while contentious (at best), they're trying to show some type of "balance". They are helping expose Sen. Cotton for what he is. I haven't read the piece, but I don't think the NYT would self-sabotage themselves. I haven't agreed with Sen. Cotton and probably will not agree on his op-ed piece, but people need perspective and choose for themselves how that immerses within what they believe or don't know.
 

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The New York Times disgraces itself:

I assume you mean they should have refused to publish? Its an opinion piece by a fecking scumbag, yes, but a slippery slope not to publish. Plus everyone gets to see for themselves what a racist piece of crap he is.
 

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Sorry if the following's not directly the subject-matter of this thread:

I saw a book title tonight. The title is The Good Immigrant (subtitle: 'Writers explore what it means to be Black, Asian, and ethnic minority in Britain today'). Christ, isn't it embarrassing to the nation that there's a book titled 'The Good Immigrant'? It's like a title I'd expect to see in Germany before the Nazis truly took hold, and it's reminiscent of that bitter, bored complaint from a leading Nazi who complained that many of his Party colleagues wanted to save a Jewish person from being persecuted: "Everyone has their 'good Jew'..." I'm ashamed that such a voice of protest exists. I'm ashamed that the editor felt it necessary to write such a book, and seek accounts from others who have experienced racism in Britain. And I'm ashamed that such a plea - that there are indeed, despite so much negative press and public opinion - 'good immigrants' - had to be made.