Eddy_JukeZ
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Ah yeah no worries.My bad, i read that as real madrid 2003, when Ronaldo9 did us
Ah yeah no worries.My bad, i read that as real madrid 2003, when Ronaldo9 did us
Looking back I don't think I remember too many games where I can say Zidane was tactically superior to his counterpart, nor do I feel he adjusted well to them. On another forum I go to I know a Madrid fan who recently shared the same opinion his quote,If you can watch the CL campaigns that he won. His trademark is tactical adaptability and being able to communicate clearly with his players, Real Madrid their CLs by always making tactical tweaks during games.
He made a tactical tweak in his CL encounter vs PSG in the 2nd leg.Looking back I don't think I remember too many games where I can say Zidane was tactically superior to his counterpart, nor do I feel he adjusted well to them. On another forum I go to I know a Madrid fan who recently shared the same opinion his quote,
"As much as I love him for what he’s accomplished both as a player, and now as our manager (and I obviously hope it continues), I’ve tried thinking back to a period of time during his two stints with us where he tactically outmaneuvered our opponent teams, and I find it pretty astonishing how many times we’ve pulled through despite having our backs against the wall."
I'm not saying Zidane is lucky here, but tactically tweaks isn't something I'd attribute towards him, he does adapt well though and seems to have a lot of respect from the players.
The thing though is that winning in Europe is so hard. I mean look at Pep G, hailed as the best manager of his generation. Won 2 CL with Barca (arguably because he had the best player in the world aided by the best midfield in the world, and half of the Spanish national team that swept everything in sight), and did feckall despite managing extremely well funded and structured teams like Bayern Munich or Man City.Oh, there is. Relatively poor record in UCL*, and not a good record vs big European teams.
2 titles, 4 finals, and 7 semi-finals or so in 19 seasons is pretty decent, but not necessarily great. Zidane has already more titles (as has Ancelotti), Guardiola has more semi-finals and so on. We also had our fair share of getting eliminated in group stages, and except in 1999 final (when we got totally outplayed), I don't remember us eliminating a team that was supposed to be better than ours.
Essentially, if I had a match for my life against a stronger team, Fergie wouldn't make my list of managers. If I have a season-long league against as good and potentially stronger teams, then yes, he would be. And if I want to win the league as many times as possible for the next decade, then the list would essentially have only one name.
Don't get me wrong, he was good at it. Just not as good as some others, and not as good as on his other skills.
That's actually his biggest strength. Managers that have 'trademarks' are susceptible. The biggest weakness of Pep - as well as Jose - is rigid adherence to their preferred "philosophy". Klopp has only achieved success this season because he's finally been pragmatic. But he too can be frustrated as Atleti showed. Zidane, meanwhile is more Fergie-esque in that he doesn't fixate on a style or formation. He is as happy attacking with free-flowing football as adapting to his opponents and being more "pragmatic". His selections and formations are flexible and he follows a "horses for courses" approach. He's also a phenomenal man-manager and gets every last drop out of every single player.So what does Zidane do as a manager? Obviously, he is very good; but I have no idea what his trademark 'thing' is. For other managers, you often hear about their tactics or key players or whatever. But I never read about Zidane's tactical approach and with Ronaldo gone, Madrid doesn't really have one superstar that people can claim carries the team. (Whether or not that was the case with Ronaldo previously; I'm just saying that narrative is definitely gone now.) So what does Zidane do to make his teams so successful?
Flo has ruled out big signings this window and clearly spoken about there not being money for this. Frankly the moment Real Madrid implemented a wage cut for players, it ruled out a big signing. This is also the reason why Man United will move this window for Sancho as there is barely any competition. Wait another year and there will surely be a bidding war.Vini and Mbappé are meant to play together
Honestly we do need cover at RB and in midfield. Pogba would be awesome, but anybody fast and mobile and dynamic would do. Also probably a LB because i fear Marcelo is done
We need Hazard to get fit and be Hazard, and a right-sided forward with goals. Mbappé awesome, if not i'd want us to go for Sancho honestly. But i don't think we'll have the money
Looking at the shambles that is Barcelona, all he needed to do was to deliver a solid campaign. And that he did. His squad has its issues upfront, but compared to Barca's it appears to have a way better structure and composition.I swear everything he touches turns to gold. Real Madrid look miles behind Barcelona in the first few months or so of this season. How they won the title this year I don’t know. If Barca had kept Valverde I think Barca would’ve won. If they win the Champions League he’s a god.
Aged well.Zidane is the joint best coach in the world alongside Pep and Klopp right now. This thread will be fun to read at the end of the season.
Don't get me wrong I'm not implying that Zidane has never made tactical tweaks, just saying I don't believe that's an aspect of his coaching that makes him special as my response to the other poster was.He made a tactical tweak in his CL encounter vs PSG in the 2nd leg.
He went with a 442 for the 2nd leg and rendered PSG ineffective the entire game.
Dropped Modric and Kroos for the game.
Bayern Munich in 2017, first leg. Atletico Madrid 2017, Juventus 2017, PSG 2018Looking back I don't think I remember too many games where I can say Zidane was tactically superior to his counterpart, nor do I feel he adjusted well to them. On another forum I go to I know a Madrid fan who recently shared the same opinion his quote,
"As much as I love him for what he’s accomplished both as a player, and now as our manager (and I obviously hope it continues), I’ve tried thinking back to a period of time during his two stints with us where he tactically outmaneuvered our opponent teams, and I find it pretty astonishing how many times we’ve pulled through despite having our backs against the wall."
I'm not saying Zidane is lucky here, but tactically tweaks isn't something I'd attribute towards him, he does adapt well though and seems to have a lot of respect from the players.
PSG I agree and to an extent Juve as well, but the other games were more down to Ronaldo then it was tactically tweaks by Zidane.Bayern Munich in 2017, first leg. Atletico Madrid 2017, Juventus 2017, PSG 2018
Tactics are obviously critical but if you don't have the personality to make your players buy into them then it becomes a bit moot. Footballers aren't a CNC machine, where you can just program tactic X and get result Y.I believe what sets Zidane apart from other managers is his holistic approach to the game. People often make the mistake of thinking that football is all about tactics and philosophy, forgetting that at the end of the day you are dealing with humans with complex emotions, motivations, and so on. I believe Zidane has hit the sweet spot in that he manages each aspect of the game to a sufficient degree. The tactical aspect, the human aspect, and so on.
A good example is his half time speech in the CL final against Juve. Its on YouTube, give it a listen. It is really unremarkable, and that makes it remarkable.
I actually think that it's pretty remarkable because he left his players alone for most of it, he let them recover instead of feeding them informations that they wouldn't be able to immediately assimilate but when he actually spoke he gave them simple and clear instructions.I believe what sets Zidane apart from other managers is his holistic approach to the game. People often make the mistake of thinking that football is all about tactics and philosophy, forgetting that at the end of the day you are dealing with humans with complex emotions, motivations, and so on. I believe Zidane has hit the sweet spot in that he manages each aspect of the game to a sufficient degree. The tactical aspect, the human aspect, and so on.
A good example is his half time speech in the CL final against Juve. Its on YouTube, give it a listen. It is really unremarkable, and that makes it remarkable.
That was achieved by three different managers.I know in terms of talent, this Madrid side is up there with Bayern, PSG and City, but I think it’s fair to say that this guy is already well on his way to becoming the best Real manager of all-time. Please correct me, Madrid fans, if I’m wrong.
He has 2 La Liga’s and 3 Champions Leagues’ (tentative) in 4 seasons. I really cannot remember a more successful period for Madrid, except for when they won 5 CLs’ in a row. Is he already the 2nd best ever behind the manager who achieved those CL titles?
Barca have Messi though. And Hannibal, and Griezmann...Looking at the shambles that is Barcelona, all he needed to do was to deliver a solid campaign. And that he did. His squad has its issues upfront, but compared to Barca's it appears to have a way better structure and composition.
Same could be said about City this season and Liverpool winning the league...Looking at the shambles that is Barcelona, all he needed to do was to deliver a solid campaign. And that he did. His squad has its issues upfront, but compared to Barca's it appears to have a way better structure and composition.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miguel_Muñoz
What do you mean by that?Barca have Messi though. And Hannibal, and Griezmann...
With a great manager they'd still be a truly great side. Their structural issues are far from something that can't be overcome. Their downfall is that they somehow have the mentality of a mid-table club.
And anyways, yes, barcelona were no great side. Yes, this looks like a down year at the top of european football with no real great side beyond the 3 truly great ones. For all that, other than manchester city, which league had a better 2nd placed team this season?
Ah alright. Should be him then.
Not really. In Munich the whole came out of the second half firing, and we were well in control even before Cristiano got Javi Martinez sent off. Against Atletico it was a masterclass. We demolished them physically, mentally and tactically.PSG I agree and to an extent Juve as well, but the other games were more down to Ronaldo then it was tactically tweaks by Zidane.
They fall to pieces faaaar too easily. When everything's well they're great, but the moment something goes wrong they turn into puppets. They're the ultimate front-runners, but have zero ability to cope with adversityWhat do you mean by that?
I mean. Barcelona collapsed post lockdown but we're still talking about a side that's better than Inter or Dortmund(or chelsea, etc)From what I've seen of Madrid this season them winning the league must surely just be due to how rubbish the opposition was
That being said still a remarkable accomplishment and Zidane keeps up his insane trophy haul
Oh I don't doubt but in his first stint he had undeniably the best side in the world, compared to that side his current one is distinctly average and needs a lot of money spent on it to get back to those previous heightsI mean. Barcelona collapsed post lockdown but we're still talking about a side that's better than Inter or Dortmund(or chelsea, etc)
I see what you are thinking about but I wouldn't describe it as a midtable mentality, I'm not even sure midtable mentality is a thing. But there is a problem with Barcelona, there seems to be too much internal politics and too much pandering to Messi instead of thinking about Barcelona as a team, as a football club. Even when they are good there is something wrong behind the scenes that is aired publicly.They fall to pieces faaaar too easily. When everything's well they're great, but the moment something goes wrong they turn into puppets. They're the ultimate front-runners, but have zero ability to cope with adversity