Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

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Sorry for not being the toppest or reddest. To say United aren't the pull they once were is hardly a stretch though, is it? Have you watched them for the past 7 years or so? How many of the best players in the world will think "ooh yeah... i will have me some of that!"?
Sancho is happy to move to the club. Not sure your point?
 

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step 3) Dortmund official/player answers the question
step 4) Some Twitter account takes up the question
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step 6) "OMG THEY ARE SO OBSESSED THEY CANT STOP TALKING ABOUT IT THE TRANSFER IS CLEARLY ON THEY ARE SO DESPERATE TO SELL!!!"
 

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And Barcelona will end the season trophy less despite having the best footballer I've ever seen. Super logic.

Of course there are other players. But it's better to get the best, if you can. Signing Eden Hazard or Malcolm as your winger can make a huge difference to your success.
Did you miss all those trophies Barca have won when Messi has been there?
 

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Sorry for not being the toppest or reddest. To say United aren't the pull they once were is hardly a stretch though, is it? Have you watched them for the past 7 years or so? How many of the best players in the world will think "ooh yeah... i will have me some of that!"?
There's a bit more to it than that. Not all of those teams that you mentioned play beautiful, free flowing football or are in great places. I would be hesitant to move to either Barcelona or Real Madrid right now as, especially Madrid as (despite winning the league) they look in a bit of a mess on the field. I'm sure Sancho would look at players like Dembele (Barca), Bale and Hazard (Madrid) and think that maybe they're not making the most out of these talented players.

In all honesty, if he doesn't come to us this season, I could see him going to Bayern Munich next season or the season after, if he plans to stay in Germany for the long term, which is unclear. He will not be with Dortmund for the complete duration of his contract and they would be idiots to let him leave on a free eventually instead of cashing in on him. They will cash in on him eventually, especially if his performances are as good as they have been and continue to be.
 

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Sorry for not being the toppest or reddest. To say United aren't the pull they once were is hardly a stretch though, is it? Have you watched them for the past 7 years or so? How many of the best players in the world will think "ooh yeah... i will have me some of that!"?
As I sad we can't get back to the top by just sitting there and thinking of well nobody wants to come to us or try to get top players. You're not a top red but seem to be a complete opposite if you catch my drift.
 

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In all honesty, if he doesn't come to us this season, I could see him going to Bayern Munich next season or the season after, if he plans to stay in Germany for the long term, which is unclear.
We could him afford next year as much as this year, so not all.
 

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There's a bit more to it than that. Not all of those teams that you mentioned play beautiful, free flowing football or are in great places. I would be hesitant to move to either Barcelona or Real Madrid right now as, especially Madrid as (despite winning the league) they look in a bit of a mess on the field. I'm sure Sancho would look at players like Dembele (Barca), Bale and Hazard (Madrid) and think that maybe they're not making the most out of these talented players.

In all honesty, if he doesn't come to us this season, I could see him going to Bayern Munich next season or the season after, if he plans to stay in Germany for the long term, which is unclear. He will not be with Dortmund for the complete duration of his contract and they would be idiots to let him leave on a free eventually instead of cashing in on him. They will cash in on him eventually, especially if his performances are as good as they have been and continue to be.
If he didn’t want to leave Germany this whole story wouldn’t have gained so much traction. He is “homesick” and wants to come back to England. So no chance Bayern sign him.
 

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Well, one things for sure, Dortmund will be losing a lot of face if the deal goes through from this point on. So much so that it becomes almost a factor in the price - there really is no way Dortmund can take less then the original asking price without looking like chumps, arguably it might take more than the original price now (unless Sancho really went on strike, which isn't on the cards). If Woodward really was trying to wait it out to ratchet down the price, well, he's probably achieved the exact opposite.
 

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Daily routine:
step 1) Dortmund official/player does an interview.
step 2) Interviewer asks a question about Sancho.
step 3) Dortmund official/player answers the question
step 4) Some Twitter account takes up the question
step 5) ???
step 6) "OMG THEY ARE SO OBSESSED THEY CANT STOP TALKING ABOUT IT THE TRANSFER IS CLEARLY ON THEY ARE SO DESPERATE TO SELL!!!"
The question is why are you obsessed by this? Genuinely curious.
 

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Sorry for not being the toppest or reddest. To say United aren't the pull they once were is hardly a stretch though, is it? Have you watched them for the past 7 years or so? How many of the best players in the world will think "ooh yeah... i will have me some of that!"?
That's rubbish if the club didn't have any pull the player wouldn't have been interested in the move. Basic common sense, this deal is falling through potentially for financial reasons.
 

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Well, one things for sure, Dortmund will be losing a lot of face if the deal goes through from this point on. So much so that it becomes almost a factor in the price - there really is no way Dortmund can take less then the original asking price without looking like chumps, arguably it might take more than the original price now (unless Sancho really went on strike, which isn't on the cards). If Woodward really was trying to wait it out to ratchet down the price, well, he's probably achieved the exact opposite.
Which is exactly why they're doing it. They're making sure we pay top dollar so they can say "we basically had no choice, they gave us an offer we couldn't refuse, and the player wanted to go".
 

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If he didn’t want to leave Germany this whole story wouldn’t have gained so much traction. He is “homesick” and wants to come back to England. So no chance Bayern sign him.
He's homesick right now, but he might not be in a year's time or even sooner than that. People can change state and that will influence his decision making. It could be that if he's missing home now, that feeling could grow stronger and he pushes for a move next summer.

The homesick stuff might just be paper talk, so I'm dubious about reading too much about that anyway. What we can't deny is that in his current league, Bayern Munich are the dominant team and the obvious "step up" if he wants to stay in that country. I hope for our sake that he is homesick as that makes the case stronger for us to pursue a deal.
 

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Regarding the “Sancho then” tweet.

He’s talking shit. He just wanted likes/retweets/attention. United have the biggest fan base in the world, these fraud journalists know it. Ignore them all.

basically, we want to pay £70m, Dortmund want £108m, so we’re a whole third of the fee away in our valuations.

Dortmund saw us pay £85m for Harry Maguire, there’s no way in hell they accepting under £100m for Sancho.
 

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Sancho is happy to move to the club. Not sure your point?
Based on what? He didn't say anything like that. He even today said that he is happy playing with his teammates etc...
If he is so eager to come, he can make some moves and speed it up.
 

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What's the prize money for the EL ?
From Wiki
Similar to the UEFA Champions League, the prize money received by the clubs is divided into fixed payments based on participation and results, and variable amounts that depend of the value of their TV market.

For the 2019–20 season, group stage participation in the Europa League awarded a base fee of €2,920,000. A victory in the group pays €570,000 and a draw €190,000. Also, each group winner earns €1,000,000 and each runner-up €500,000. Reaching the knock-out stage triggers additional bonuses: €500,000 for the round of 32, €1,100,000 for the round of 16, €1,500,000 for the quarter-finals and €2,400,000 for the semi-finals. The losing finalists receive €4,500,000 and the champions receive €8,500,000.
Could cover difference in Sancho's valuation... maybe that's why we're waiting so much. :lol:
 

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He's homesick right now, but he might not be in a year's time or even sooner than that. People can change state and that will influence his decision making. It could be that if he's missing home now, that feeling could grow stronger and he pushes for a move next summer.

The homesick stuff might just be paper talk, so I'm dubious about reading too much about that anyway. What we can't deny is that in his current league, Bayern Munich are the dominant team and the obvious "step up" if he wants to stay in that country. I hope for our sake that he is homesick as that makes the case stronger for us to pursue a deal.
Hes back in England every week, so much so he's been getting fined by Dortmund over it.

He will play in England next. I'm pretty sure that much is correct.
 

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Of course the manager and players are happy to have Sancho in the team, than not. He's a good player. That's why we want him.

They were asked, and they answered. That's why these statements coming out, isn't it?
 

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Based on what? He didn't say anything like that. He even today said that he is happy playing with his teammates etc...
If he is so eager to come, he can make some moves and speed it up.
Based on the vast majority of journos saying he's agreed terms with United? Based on the fact talks are still on going?

A transfer works by sounding out a player first otherwise you waste your time doing everything else only to find they don't want to move. We wouldn't even be where we are now if the player wasn't interested. Irrespective of what you believe that much is common sense.
 

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Dortmund's actions actually indicate that they're desperate to sell. They've been really aggressive in trying to close the deal quickly.
The desperate party in this deal is United. Dortmund would be desperate to have time to find a replacement the longer this takes, but they are not desperate to sell & will not accept below their valuation. As far as they are concerned he’s their player & will remain their player until their full asking price is met. Woodward’s negotiation tactics will work about as well as they did with Leicester last season. We will either pay the asking price or we will not get the player, they are not going to drop his valuation. If we think it’s too much then we just have to move on to someone else. It’s pretty simple. The ball is in United’s court, but Dortmund are far from desperate, they are comfortable.
 

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The desperate party in this deal is United. Dortmund would be desperate to have time to find a replacement hence the supposed August 10 deadline, but they are not desperate to sell. As far as they are concerned he’s their player & will remain their player until their full asking price is met.
How are United desperate? The club has literally said nothing and remained quite relaxed. All the blabbing is from Dortmund.
 

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Based on what? He didn't say anything like that. He even today said that he is happy playing with his teammates etc...
If he is so eager to come, he can make some moves and speed it up.
Did De Gea come out publicly and say he wanted to go to Madrid? But you could bet top dollar on the fact that he definitely wanted to go that summer. Sometimes it’s a bit more than making noise. You also have to think for some reason if the transfer doesn’t workout this summer you don’t wanna leave a sour taste for people at your club - whether it’s your teammates, staff or management. Just let things flow. It isn’t the end of the world for him if he doesn’t get his move this summer.
 

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Based on the vast majority of journos saying he's agreed terms with United? Based on the fact talks are still on going?

A transfer works by sounding out a player first otherwise you waste your time doing everything else only to find they don't want to move. We wouldn't even be where we are now if the player wasn't interested. Irrespective of what you believe that much is common sense.
I am not saying that he is not interested. I am saying how much he is interested.
Tbh, i like when player push for transfer. Yeah, for fans it is shitty move bit it showes desire
 
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