Waiting to the 87th Minute Before Subs

[Suedesi]

Subbing tired for players for fresh players will obviously change things... Anyone knows that.

Sevilla won tonight not because of their quality, but because they wanted it more

No, they played smarter.

 

[sammsky1]

Made no sense making so many subs with so little time left.

 

[SilentWitness]

Pretty much every time that a side dominates a game in a 15 minute spell, has 1253581346 chances and doesn't score from them, the other team ends up getting a goal after. It's indefensible to not have changed it after that dominance/Sevilla getting back into the game, let alone not changing anything immediately after they scored.

Yeah, the bench is poor but you were on top and a bit of freshness would have been useful, even if it was from a subpar player. Even putting Bailly on and switching to a 5 might have helped.

 

[Heardy]

No, we just don’t have any good players on the bench. I’d leave Rashford, Martial, Greenwood and Bruno on too. All are capable of something special even on an off day. The entirety of our bench isn’t.

This is our problem in a nutshell. We’ve got no real value on our bench to come on and win the game for us.

 

[ivaldo]

Exactly. If we had good options on the bench then I'd get the criticism but when this is the reality it's no surprise we expect more from a knackered Rashford/Greenwood than a fresh James/Mata/Lingard.

If we had Sancho starting and Greenwood on the bench, then Ole makes the change.

 

[Suedesi]

Look at our bench theyre all miles worse than whos on the pitch...

And look at Sevilla bench. They're all superstars?

 

[el3mel]

What the feck was he thinking with this management of subs and timing.

We bring Ighalo on loan to play him only 4 minutes max a match, what the feck. Why did we bring him then ?

 

[The Taurean]

Don't see benefit of bringing James on chasing the game. Specially with how he has played recently.

 

[sammsky1]

Look at our bench theyre all miles worse than whos on the pitch...

No doubt.

But if your going to make so many subs, they need some time to make an impact.

 

[Castia]

There’s nothing on the bench. Forsu-Mensa, James and Mata? They’re wank. We have no squad depth what so ever.

Rashford was useless but knowing Mata or James was coming on Is even worse.

 

[Anustart89]

I don't see any scenario where bringing Mata and James on at the same time makes any sense.

One's a counter-attacking player and the other's a player suited for a possession based game. Surely you'd want to pick one or the other depending on in which manner you want to change the game? I'd have brought Mata or Ighalo on for Rashford and tried to change the game that way. Bringing James on at 2-1 down against a team that's only interested in sitting back is interesting, to say the least.

 

[Dan_F]

Needing a goal and he put on Fosu Mensa instead of changing the system and getting a striker in the box.

 

[Lay]

We have no depth at all. I wouldn't bring a single player on other than Ighalo. Oh and Matic if we are winning. The rest give us nothing.

 

[Lebowski]

Substitutes

• 3 Bailly
• 8 Mata
• 13 Grant
• 14 Lingard
• 15 Andreas Pereira
• 21 James
• 22 Romero
• 24 Fosu-Mensah
• 25 Ighalo
• 31 Matic
• 39 McTominay
• 71 Mengi

Very harsh to blame Ole given the absolute lack of quality, form and match fitness on the bench.

Especially since our first eleven were on top throughout the second half and were in total control until Lindelof and Wan Bissaka completely switched off to let them score against the run of play.

I know that in the heat of the moment people want somebody to blame, but Ole gets an insane amount of stick for managing with the squad he's got because of his inexperience. There is a massive drop off in quality between our starting 11 and bench, so we're going to have to win matches with our first team. We were still creating chances and you'd fancy a tiring and I'd fancy an off form Rashford or Greenwood producing the magic to get us the equaliser over any on the bench.

We had over 20 shots and should have had the match sewn up. It's just one of those days.

 

[Skåre Willoch]

With the players available, why even bother to make any subs at all. We have 12 good players. And that’s the biggest issue with this squad.

 

[sammsky1]

What the feck was he thinking with this management of subs and timing.

We bring Ighalo on loan to play him only 4 minutes max a match, what the feck. Why did we bring him then ?

Should have taken Rashford off after 65m replaced with Ighalo and put martial out left

 

[Carl]

Yeah, game management is Ole's great weakness, we've seen it time and time again. Rashford and Greenwood were both clearly not gonna produce anything today, and he waited way too long.

Pretty much this. Granted a lack of options doesn't help but its amazing Rashford made it until 85 mins before coming off.

 

[::sonny::]

A shame

 

[NinjaZombie]

Yeah. I don't know why Ole does this. Rashford was having a bad game and he had Ighalo on the bench and could've put Martial on the left. He could even have put James on to exploit the space Sevilla were leaving for us.

At the very least, he could've made subs because it looked like the some of the 1st team were exhausted out there.

If Mourinho had done this, people would be saying he was sabotaging the club to make a point about transfers.

 

[LuisNaniencia]

Rashford should have come off at 60. Was clear he was adding nothing.

 

[crossy1686]

And look at Sevilla bench. They're all superstars?

No but they're equal quality to what they've got on the pitch. Our bench wouldn't even make Sevilla's bench

 

[Crustanoid]

The board’s fault 100% for not investing fast enough

 

[Annihilate Now!]

We have no depth at all. I wouldn't bring a single player on other than Ighalo. Oh and Matic if we are winning. The rest give us nothing.

Because our players on the pitch were giving us so much from 60 minutes onwards.

Honestly this "no depth" excuse is such bollocks at this point.

 

[TheGame]

Substitutes

• 3 Bailly
• 8 Mata
• 13 Grant
• 14 Lingard
• 15 Andreas Pereira
• 21 James
• 22 Romero
• 24 Fosu-Mensah
• 25 Ighalo
• 31 Matic
• 39 McTominay
• 71 Mengi

Very harsh to blame Ole given the absolute lack of quality, form and match fitness on the bench.

Especially since our first eleven were on top throughout the second half and were in total control until Lindelof and Wan Bissaka completely switched off to let them score against the run of play.

Mata who changed the game in the last round and Ighalo who has scored goals this season.

 

[Zlatan 7]

It’s not as if he had anything worldbeating on the bench. Persist with tired quality or change for fresh shit is different to changing to fresh quality.

 

[GenZRed]

God knows why. He should make the sub straight after we conceded, especially when conceding so late in the game.

 

[TheGame]

Because our players on the pitch were giving us so much from 60 minutes onwards.

Honestly this "no depth" excuse is such bollocks at this point.

Exactly. Players are knackered and we have options but people moan at them.

 

[Yagami]

Mata changed the game in just our last match.

Our rubbish depth doesn't wash here. That was stupid from Ole.

 

[Tom Van Persie]

I really don't get it.

 

[Red Stone]

I took a look at our bench, and it just kept getting worse with each name I read. None of them would have won us the game, no matter how early they were subbed on.

This loss wasn't down to delayed subs. It was down to the fact that we've been pissing away money on mediocre players for the better part of a decade, which has left us completely devoid of quality and depth, and the fact that we were missing chances my dead nan would have scored. Ole can't go out there and score the goals for them. We did well tonight, all things considered. We should have scored at least four goals.

 

[charlenefan]

Truly absurd

And get fecked with your poor bench bollocks. A fresh players who will not do tired things is far more useful then someone who is clearly knackered.

Like James and Mata when they came on?

That's bollocks, even knackard good players are better than shit ones

 

[GenZRed]

It’s not as if he had anything worldbeating on the bench. Persist with tired quality or change for fresh shit is different to changing to fresh quality.

Instead he should chnage with 4 minutes to go. What a difference that would make.

 

[TheGame]

God knows why. He should make the sub straight after we conceded, especially when conceding so late in the game.

Exactly, any other manager would have done that.

 

[Untd55]

I think he got his subs all wrong today. Matic and Mctominay (though, I don't rate him) are bigger goal threats than James and Mata.

Giving Ighalo only 4 minutes was ridiculous. Even the best player struggle to make an impact in that time.

Subs were done too late overall. Williams should have been subbed earlier as he struggling badly against their winger.

 

[stevoc]

Changes should have been made right after the goal.

 

[hungrywing]

He makes weird subs. Been this way since he arrived.

 

[Mibabalou]

And look at Sevilla bench. They're all superstars?

Munir, Vázquez and de Jong are a better trio than James, Mata and Ighalo yes.

I think most who follow european football would agree.

 

[TheGame]

Like James and Mata when they came on?

That's bollocks, even knackard players are better than shit ones

Like Mata who changed the game in the last round and Ighalo who has scored goals this season.

 

[GledTheRed]

I wouldn't be in a rush to bring those shit cnuts on either.

 

[Jev]

Pretty much this. Granted a lack of options doesn't help but its amazing Rashford made it until 85 mins before coming off.

Also, it's always like-for-like subs. I mean, I know he subbed AWB for James today but that was just an obvious gung-ho situation. We've yet to see him actually change the tactical approach with 30 or 45 minutes left, which is what you have to do if it is to have an impact.

Today, I felt like the most dangerous players were on the pitch for the first 75 minutes but we were clearly tiring before their goal and he should have reacted instantly with two or three subs right after they scored.