Harry Maguire involved in incident with police in Greece - conviction nullified by appeal, full retrial pending

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He was the only one willing to call him on bad defending. Very good leadership, if he isnt called out on it he has no incentive to improve.
His team mate didn't respect his approach and authority so it's precisley the opposite of good leadership. There's a time and place for it too. Losing 2-1 with 5 minutes to go in a semi-final is certainly not it. A flare-up like that isn't going top help us get back in the game. He should call him out in the dressing room if he feels the need to.
 
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Based on his effect on the team, leading by example, being willing to confront players who make mistakes and not attacking police
Probably best to wait on some actual facts before stating he attacked police.

I’m not saying he hasn’t done anything, but would prefer some detail, rather than tweets etc.

Also is shouting at Lindelof in one match suddenly How to 10x your captaincy credentials?
 

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His team mate didn't respect his approach and authority so it's precisley the opposite of good leadership. There's a time and place for it too. Losing 2-1 with 5 minutes to go in a semi-final is certainly not it. A flare-up like that isn't going top help us get back in the game. He should call him out in the dressing room if he feels the need to.
Different forms of leadership. Roy Keane would give anyone a bollocking and he was arguably one of the best ever captains for the club.
 

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I just wonder if it is a case of footballers who are in a disciplined sport, whose weekend is maybe getting in a babysitter and going for a meal with partner, then summer comes and they decide to have a holiday with their 'mates', whose usual weekend is getting lashed and having a bit of a punchup for a laugh. Their lives are now completely different. I know they want to keep their friends and they might be good loyal lads, but the likes of Harry are now in the public eye and that even on holiday they are open to scrutiny. Their friends need to realise this and make sure they behave as well.
I agree with that and most of the footballers are from humble upbringings, they’re just normal lads thrust into limelight and ridiculous amounts of money. They’ll make mistakes like any other human being. I’d be much more concerned if he had form for it.
 

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I'd already decided that I wanted Bruno to replace Maguire as captain after the defeat to Sevilla.

Although I'm sure this will come to nothing, it just adds further weight to him losing the armband.
Agreed. Bruno is a natural leader as much as Maguire if not more so. Bruno becoming captain soon enough seems very inevitable.
 
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If I had said the bolded part, maybe. But I didn't. You did.

Groups of drunk English are famous for trying to take over wherever they go.

As I've already said, its definitely a minority. But lets not pretend it's not real.
A minority, yet you say 9/10 of any drink idiots are English?

Perhaps put your stereotyping prejudices back in the box.
 

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Different forms of leadership. Roy Keane would give anyone a bollocking and he was arguably one of the best ever captains for the club.
Arguably one of the best? He the best captain United ever had.
 

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I just wonder if it is a case of footballers who are in a disciplined sport, whose weekend is maybe getting in a babysitter and going for a meal with partner, then summer comes and they decide to have a holiday with their 'mates', whose usual weekend is getting lashed and having a bit of a punchup for a laugh. Their lives are now completely different. I know they want to keep their friends and they might be good loyal lads, but the likes of Harry are now in the public eye and that even on holiday they are open to scrutiny. Their friends need to realise this and make sure they behave as well.
Then there's the issue of footballers themselves being an obvious target. Idiots trying to make a name for themselves by "taking on a footballer".

I think we need to have a bit of understanding here. They've been in total football mode for months. They're break is basically a week. Of course they will want to unwind with a few beers and spend some time with their friends from outside their football bubble.

It's also pretty stupid that people are immediately clamouring to have him stripped of the captaincy without having a clue what happened. Maguire seems like a pretty sensible lad to me. If he's a good captain I wouldn't go changing that over some incident that happened when he was 15 pints in on holiday. That was an average weekend for Roy Keane and it didn't stop him from being a phenomenal captain.

Let's wait and see. It may be absolutely nothing. And it most likely has zero impact on his ability to be the captain of the team.
 

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https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...ws/man-utd-captain-maguire-solskjaer-17790170

"I didn’t expect him to be captain this quickly but he’s been in the dressing room and with the coaches, he’s vocal, he’s got the experience, he’s got everything a captain should have," Solskjaer said.

"I think it’s natural for him to take that role, his performances have helped. I’m delighted with the boy, that was one of the attributes we were looking at when we signed him."

"Solskjaer didn't bracket Maguire as following any specific traits from the United captains he experienced as a player, but he had no hesitation in mentioning him with those players and pilling the expectation of the job on to the England international."

https://www.manchestereveningnews.c...l-news/man-utd-harry-maguire-captain-17234124

"Harry is captain material, so is David," Solskjaer said. "David's been here and done it many, many times, but Harry's come in and been excellent in the dressing room and on the pitch and that was decision.

"But he can become long-term one."

https://metro.co.uk/2019/09/22/ole-...g-harry-maguire-new-man-utd-captain-10787542/

"As you see, on the pitch he’s a leader. He stands on the ball when we need to slow it down, he defends really well and he’s got this presence in the box – both boxes. ‘But off the pitch, as you said, he is a top, top professional. He’s vocal – he voices his opinion before training and in the dressing room – and I’m very pleased with the money we’ve spent on him."

"Asked if Maguire has knocked on his door and asked to be captain, Solskjaer laughed and added: ‘No, he hasn’t asked yet but it’s been in my head that he’s looking like one we could give the armband to."
Fair enough, I'd like to see more of the on pitch stuff, but if he is leading in the dressing room then cool
 
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it is based on Bruno demonstrating leadeship on the pitch every game he played, where Maguire has been much more lukewarm. But I don't know what being English or not has to so with anything. It's EXTREMELY weird that you would try to squeeze that in. Are you feeling xenophobic?
Read the thread, and see the general stench of anti-Englishness if you want to start talking about xenophobia.
 

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Different forms of leadership. Roy Keane would give anyone a bollocking and he was arguably one of the best ever captains for the club.
There's clearly a time and a place and I'd argue strongly that that was exactly the wrong time and place. How do you think that confrontation would help us focus on getting back in the game, 5 minutes left in a semi-final? Lindelof didn't respect his authority either which is indicative of him not holding sufficient respect for the role.
 

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Because I'm being pragmatic, we need a lot of leaders anyway on and off the field. Bruno, Pogba, Matic, De Gea, and even Rashford to a certain extend all need to step up.

Maguire is the captain. For me, as a team performing in the EPL, we need ideally an English captain, or at least someone who will have ways to pressure the referee in the right way. Maguire is an English international and has a certain image, I would keep him.

Bruno does not the armband to command Martial, Rashford, Greenwood and Sancho, and to positively influence Fred or Pogba. He is that kind of leader.
That sounds like you are disqualifying Bruno because he is not English? Being English is not a requirement for a PL team. City has won two PL titles with Silva as their captain
 

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A minority, yet you say 9/10 of any drink idiots are English?

Perhaps put your stereotyping prejudices back in the box.
Think the problem with English is that we are not disciplined drinkers. We are used to not going out during the week because of work, then going nuts at the weekend. Then going on holiday, no work, so it is weekend every day. Drinking during the day when it is at it's hottest, so drinking more as you get thirsty quicker, so getting drunker and drunker.
 

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Probably best to wait on some actual facts before stating he attacked police.

I’m not saying he hasn’t done anything, but would prefer some detail, rather than tweets etc.

Also is shouting at Lindelof in one match suddenly How to 10x your captaincy credentials?
No, but nobody else did anything while we whimpered out of europe. And Fernandes has made more of a difference in half a season than any of the others made in the full season
 

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It's difficult to follow the rules of some flea-bitten, backwater hole when you're used to the being surrounded by gods favourite children. You'd understand if you were as superior as we are.
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Because I'm being pragmatic, we need a lot of leaders anyway on and off the field. Bruno, Pogba, Matic, De Gea, and even Rashford to a certain extend all need to step up.

Maguire is the captain. For me, as a team performing in the EPL, we need ideally an English captain, or at least someone who will have ways to pressure the referee in the right way. Maguire is an English international and has a certain image, I would keep him.

Bruno does not the armband to command Martial, Rashford, Greenwood and Sancho, and to positively influence Fred or Pogba. He is that kind of leader.
What a load of bollocks.
 

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Then there's the issue of footballers themselves being an obvious target. Idiots trying to make a name for themselves by "taking on a footballer".

I think we need to have a bit of understanding here. They've been in total football mode for months. They're break is basically a week. Of course they will want to unwind with a few beers and spend some time with their friends from outside their football bubble.

It's also pretty stupid that people are immediately clamouring to have him stripped of the captaincy without having a clue what happened. Maguire seems like a pretty sensible lad to me. If he's a good captain I wouldn't go changing that over some incident that happened when he was 15 pints in on holiday. That was an average weekend for Roy Keane and it didn't stop him from being a phenomenal captain.

Let's wait and see. It may be absolutely nothing. And it most likely has zero impact on his ability to be the captain of the team.
I am actually surprised about it being Harry, like you he always comes across as a pretty level headed lad. We do not know what has been said. As others have said he is not the first United captain to do something daft.
 

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A minority, yet you say 9/10 of any drink idiots are English?

Perhaps put your stereotyping prejudices back in the box.
Its a simple concept.

It's a minority of English people. Most English people are decent and behave themselves.

But when looking at rowdy groups on holiday, they do tend to be English more often then not. They've gained a reputation for it. Play offended all you want. Doesn't change it.
 

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Read the thread, and see the general stench of anti-Englishness if you want to start talking about xenophobia.
There is no such thing as " reverse xenophobia" or "reverse racism". You cant discriminate the majority. That is a myth invented by white supremacists and xenophobes. Your Englishness is not under threat here. Do you also oppose Ole for not being English? Or does the English purism only apply to players?
 

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Because I'm being pragmatic, we need a lot of leaders anyway on and off the field. Bruno, Pogba, Matic, De Gea, and even Rashford to a certain extend all need to step up.

Maguire is the captain. For me, as a team performing in the EPL, we need ideally an English captain, or at least someone who will have ways to pressure the referee in the right way. Maguire is an English international and has a certain image, I would keep him.

Bruno does not the armband to command Martial, Rashford, Greenwood and Sancho, and to positively influence Fred or Pogba. He is that kind of leader.
My fecking eyes, what the hell is this.
 

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Reminder to everyone that Keane got arrested a few days before the FA Cup in 1999. Fergie had to pick him up from the station.

https://www.theguardian.com/football/1999/may/18/newsstory.sport4

So this really doesn't really at anything about Maguire ability to be a captain. Still a bit disappointing that his decided to spend time getting missed up in Greece.

The uncultured swine.
If he's going to start a fight, then I'd prefer it to be in Tuscany or Bora Bora. I can respect that.
 

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Still waiting for the standard “Ole’s first real test” post

:rolleyes:
 

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Mate he hit a cop, at least that's what's been reported.

I live in New York, if you or even a NBA Star hit a cop they'd be in an absolute world of trouble.
Ask that Floyd guy about US cops :)
 
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No, but nobody else did anything while we whimpered out of europe. And Fernandes has made more of a difference in half a season than any of the others made in the full season
No one is gauging he’s not made a difference, and his performances have been terrific. Doesn’t suddenly mean he’s 10x the captain that Maguire.

I pleased to have someone with passion in the team, but not sure that shouting at teammates is leadership.

Both Maguire and Bruno have been terrific additions to the club.
 

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There is no such thing as " reverse xenophobia" or "reverse racism". You cant discriminate the majority. That is a myth invented by white supremacists and xenophobes. Your Englishness is not under threat here. Do you also oppose Ole for not being English? Or does the English purism only apply to players?
Can someone dissect this post for me? Bizarre :lol: :confused:
 

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Do you expect the Mykonos police to say that they arrested him for doing nothing.?
So the police have fabricated the fact he physically assaulted a police officer in order to justify arresting him? Christ. What planet are you on?
 

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It clearly is arguable, and a hell of a lot of fans over 40 will say it’s Robbo.
Fair enough, I'm too young to comment on Robbo but in the PL era there's surely no contest. Four PL titles, two FA cups and even if he missed that 99 final, he played a big big part in getting us there.
 
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