Harry Maguire involved in incident with police in Greece - conviction nullified by appeal, full retrial pending

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Needs to be transfer listed immediately. Not that anyone else would be stupid enough to buy him . A total disgrace to the shirt. Disgusting behaviour from him
Get fecked

This trial was a mockery and a sham anyway

What case goes to court less than a week after an incident?
 

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People on here seem to be in 2 very distinct camps without any middle ground.

The "sack him" what a disgrace types, and the "this is clearly a joke" camp.
Not really,I've seen a good amount in the middle, myself included, who don't necessarily buy all the dodgy details reported by the police but also think Harry put the club in a tough spot.

Would love for it to be found that he was actually defending his sister against unsolicited aggression and predatory behavior but it's still a bad look from the outside, outside of the fanbase, looking in right now given the lack of clarity.

Him being found guilty will only increase the media circus surrounding this heading into the new season by keeping it in the news cycle even longer
 

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The most efficient legal system in the world... fire it through in 2 days and let them off with a big imaginary punishment.
Not having ample time to defend yourself is shocking. If anybody is taking the moral high horse in here about it they arent worth listening to.
 

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Love the prosecutor saying his claim hd didn't know they were police officers ridiculous as they were taken to a large building with a Police sign
 

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Seems like Woodward obviously planted some troublemakers in Greece to shift the attention away from his own incompetence in the transfer market.
 

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Needs to be transfer listed immediately. Not that anyone else would be stupid enough to buy him . A total disgrace to the shirt. Disgusting behaviour from him
Get a grip man, he made a mistake lots of people do..
 

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If this suspended sentence sticks I assume Maguire will be unable to travel to a European tie against Olympiacos. If that kind of situation ends up costing us further down the line that will be pretty shit, otherwise I'm not worried at all.
 

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maybe im just a blind homer. but if his side of the story is correct and his sister was attacked etc, he is 100% correct

 

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What's the difference? Why would you believe one more over the other? Specifically Evra - Maguire scenario, or in all of them (different players)?
Because police across the world do have a track record of blindly supporting their own or falsifying a set of events, whereas people of colour had a history of their cries of racism being ignored and dismissed. Dismissing the validity of a police statement doesn’t make you a bad person whereas dismissing accusations of racism does.

I do think the police are right and Harry was out of order, but I do think he did so in exceptional circumstances. I don’t think lesser of anyone for blindly supporting him. At best he was fighting to protect his sister and at worst he was a drunk English tourist who got into a fight. I do think lesser of people who blindly supported Suarez, because at best he just said something racist (which is horrific) and at worst he is legitimately a racist (which I doubt).
 

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I think he is guilty of everything he has been charged with and can imagine it happening, when he was drunk and in a highly emotional state.

The Albanian and his sister is also most likely true, but that has nothing to do with these charges, which were a separate event, and have been proven in a court of law.

But English men think fighting is normal and just for banz, and any foreign cop who doubts that much be corrupt. :houllier:
I think it’s more just people not understanding the nuances of Law, really. Now criminal law isn’t exactly my forte, nor do I have any idea of Greek law, but in the UK it would simply be on the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Harry Maguire attempted to bribe a police officer and that he committed aggravated assault. His motive for doing so - i.e. attempting to protect his sister (if that’s confirmed to be true?) - for the most part, isn’t really a mitigating factor for the charge. And even if it is, it’s something that would be considered in relation to the severity of the sentence for the charge - not whether or not he’s actually guilty of the charges.

Now @Martial’sEmergingSmile posted an excerpt from a Greek paper on page 62 stating that three witnesses gave evidence confirming Maguire and his friends to be the aggressors. That’s pretty compelling evidence in favour of the prosecution. From the wee excerpts of tweets I’ve seen from Maguire’s side; it doesn’t sound like the most sturdiest of defences that has been raised.

I’m sure we will see more information come to light as the weeks progress, but people really need to tone down the idea that this is some bizarre corruption plot to wring Maguire for all the money he has to give to the mafia. It’s a bit weird.
 

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How the feck do you even prove of all those allegations in a one day trial
You obviously don't. This was just a media shitshow and the prosectors wanting to get on TV.

Lets wait for the "injured" copper to file a lawsuit too for long term injuries that result in him being unable to work again.

An absolute shambles and character assassination of Maguire without any due process.
 

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This will rumble on for a while, seems very dodgy indeed
 

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Wont someone think of the Times staff? This is clearly personal for them.






This case seems nuts. If Maguire's sister really was attacked its disgusting that such a serious issue is being swept under the rug. Id be stunned if this is the last step in this case
But Winter is right. What happened to Maguire happened to other players before him. He has to admit that he s no longer the boy living next door - which will change his lifestyle.

Next time, he employs a bodyguard to take with him on vacation and go to places which are more secure for someone like him. He s known as being a down to earth person, but he cannot be that any more. At least that's what's his new role demands
 

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Or they could have just accepted a hefty bribe and heard nothing more of it? No publicity, nothing.

Or you believe they are even more corrupt than that by somehow thinking it was sensible to reject a large bribe, take it to court, and create a publicity storm around it, potentially damaging the tourism in their own district?

Makes perfect sense!
Unless you're waving a big stack of bills in their face, an offer of a bribe doesn't mean anything. Assuming there even was an offer. You really think the police there have the intelligence and foresight to consider tourism ramifications when they're 'dealing' with boozy locals?

I don't doubt Harry and co were behaving like idiots, instigated by what happened to his sister. And the way the police responded by detaining them instead of looking for the other parties no doubt riled them up even more. Do we even know if the police took his sister to hospital? Because from how it reads they took all of them to the police station rather than getting her checked out first.
 

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If this suspended sentence sticks I assume Maguire will be unable to travel to a European tie against Olympiacos. If that kind of situation ends up costing us further down the line that will be pretty shit, otherwise I'm not worried at all.
This will surely have an effect on him I fear, he's only human.
 

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From Efsyn, one of Greece's biggest newspapers:



I imagine more details will come out soon. A Greek poster on Reddit said that in all criminal trials, court transcripts are released within a few weeks.
Sorry if I am late to all this but is there any evidence other than waiting on above. At this point why would anyone believe either side? It looks like 2 different opposing versions out there. How can you choose to believe either?
 

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It'll be well awkward if we draw Olympiacos in the Champions League.
 

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This whole thing has been a farce, just an excuse to make a point and have their 15 minutes of fame.
 

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lets see who comes off worse Maguire or the Mykanos and Greek tourist industry
Tbh i wont go near greece after hearing shit about blokes injecting girls in the arm. Wasnt even like a spiked drink. Just dosed in public. Even if its not true i wouldnt risk
It. PR backfire for them. Half of me thinks it is true and they have to make him out to be a liar to protect tourist image
 

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Wont someone think of the Times staff? This is clearly personal for them.

This case seems nuts. If Maguire's sister really was attacked its disgusting that such a serious issue is being swept under the rug. Id be stunned if this is the last step in this case
I agree with every word that Winter says. So what now?
His sisters misfortune has nothing to do with him fighting with cops and trying to bribe them.
 

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I think it’s more just people not understanding the nuances of Law, really. Now criminal law isn’t exactly my forte, nor do I have any idea of Greek law, but in the UK it would simply be on the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Harry Maguire attempted to bribe a police officer and that he committed aggravated assault. His motive for doing so - i.e. attempting to protect his sister (if that’s confirmed to be true?) - for the most part, isn’t really a mitigating factor for the charge. And even if it is, it’s something that would be considered in relation to the severity of the sentence for the charge - not whether or not he’s actually guilty of the charges.

Now @Martial’sEmergingSmile posted an excerpt from a Greek paper on page 62 stating that three witnesses gave evidence confirming Maguire and his friends to be the aggressors. That’s pretty compelling evidence in favour of the prosecution. From the wee excerpts of tweets I’ve seen from Maguire’s side; it doesn’t sound like the most sturdiest of defences that has been raised.

I’m sure we will see more information come to light as the weeks progress, but people really need to tone down the idea that this is some bizarre corruption plot to wring Maguire for all the money he has to give to the mafia. It’s a bit weird.
What case goes to trial like less than a week after an incident?
 

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maybe im just a blind homer. but if his side of the story is correct and his sister was attacked etc, he is 100% correct

A shame this is going to cost him money and time to repair his damaged reputation after this trial by media sham.
 

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I hope we strip this thug of the captaincy. Bringing the club’s name into disrepute
 

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Why is not one media outlet reporting more on the allegations of his sister being drugged?
 

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Greek justice system moves fast. He’d be on bail for years in the UK before going to trial.
 

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maguire should release a press statement advising the public against travelling to greece and its islands, fluff those corrupt b'stards
 

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I think it’s more just people not understanding the nuances of Law, really. Now criminal law isn’t exactly my forte, nor do I have any idea of Greek law, but in the UK it would simply be on the prosecution to prove beyond reasonable doubt that Harry Maguire attempted to bribe a police officer and that he committed aggravated assault. His motive for doing so - i.e. attempting to protect his sister (if that’s confirmed to be true?) - for the most part, isn’t really a mitigating factor for the charge. And even if it is, it’s something that would be considered in relation to the severity of the sentence for the charge - not whether or not he’s actually guilty of the charges.

Now @Martial’sEmergingSmile posted an excerpt from a Greek paper on page 62 stating that three witnesses gave evidence confirming Maguire and his friends to be the aggressors. That’s pretty compelling evidence in favour of the prosecution. From the wee excerpts of tweets I’ve seen from Maguire’s side; it doesn’t sound like the most sturdiest of defences that has been raised.

I’m sure we will see more information come to light as the weeks progress, but people really need to tone down the idea that this is some bizarre corruption plot to wring Maguire for all the money he has to give to the mafia. It’s a bit weird.
That is probably why they did not show any police station coverage. That should have been part of the defence but was not released. Would it surprise anybody if the camera wasn't working or they accidently wiped it.
 
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