Unbelievable that anyone can question corruption in the South Yorkshire police force, I mean ffs, Hillsborough is the tip of the iceberg. If you know your history, as Bob Marley would say.
But what occurred during that altercation is very much up for debate.Thats not my experience. Show me some examples please. Of police inventing a charge from nothing.
And with respect, Greece is a long way away in corruption index than Nigeria
Anyway, thats not true here, as Maguire was involved in an altercation with police, that is not under debate.
I wouldn't know, i've not followed the thread the last few days as i've been far too busy wishing Paul Pogba ill health.
Maguire, ooooohI just wish this happened in Serbia
Maguire, oooooh
Maguire, oooooh
He went to Serbia
He'll fecking hospitalise ya
His head his like a slabMaguire, oooooh
Maguire, oooooh
He went to Mykonos
He hospitalised 10 cops
Yes there was a massive incident. You’ve proved my point. They didn’t invent this tragedy out of nothing.
While I'm sure plenty of people are capable of lying and embellishing situations to their advantage, it seems to me that the darkest allegations (the ones regarding Daisy Maguire) are getting ignored by a lot of posters in here.But what occurred during that altercation is very much up for debate.
It's not beyond the police to make false claims to cover themselves, neither is it beyond Maguire to do the same.
did you miss the part where they accused the victims of picking the pockets of the dead, pissing on police and attacking the police first aiders out of nothing?Yes there was a massive incident. You’ve proved my point. They didn’t invent this tragedy out of nothing.
Not sure what that proves. Some US cops are driven by racist hate, and exagrate existing situations to justify their use of guns. But the situation exists.
To justify their previous actions in the incident.did you miss the part where they accused the victims or picking the pockets of the dead, pissing on police and attacking the police first aiders out of nothing?
you mean out of spite and with no evidence with no relevance to the incident as you admit it was afterwards.To justify their previous actions in the incident.
We are going in circles. I respect your opinion, mine simply differs.you mean out of spite and with no evidence with no relevance to the incident as you admit it was afterwards.
Yeah, but he hospitalized 12 police officers on that fateful night, many of whom suffered debilitating brain injuries of which they may never recover.While I'm sure plenty of people are capable of lying and embellishing situations to their advantage, it seems to me that the darkest allegations (the ones regarding Daisy Maguire) are getting ignored by a lot of posters in here.
Fine if those posters hate Harry Maguire, but by extension they are calling his fiancee Fern a liar, his sister a liar, his brother (is it James?) Maguire a liar, every one of the people in Harry Maguire's story has to have been lying for the Greek prosecutions case to hold water. That seems outlandish to me, and EASILY proven or disproven if the Maguire's have gone to medial professionals.
All those people are being extremely vocal on social media in Harry's defence - to whit if they were lying they would ALL be guilty of perjury and that's a bigger crime than any scuffle, at least in the justice system of the United Kingdom it is, not sure about Greece.
When I saw the interview with the Beeb my first reaction as a United supporter was of anger of the injustice done towards Maguire. Having now thought about more rationally, his story does sound far fetched. I could believe bits about macho Greek cops showing off their power, but the kidnappingNo idea but a fair trial in this instance clearly ends in a not guilty verdict. A court of law is there to prove guilt, not assume it.
The evidence that was presented can barely be called evidence, never mind proof. It's a couple of witness statements that make absolutely no sense and are only even credible as not being completely made up if you believe that Harry Maguire doesn't know how to speak in English properly.
The fact there was no time to prepare a defence or even produce a full set of evidence is a seperate issue, but again a fair trial in a court of law throws the case out on that basis until the police do their job properly. There are supposedly phone call records and whatsapp messages on Maguire's phone which would make a complete nonsense of the version of events presented by the prosecution. There is CCTV footage which was not presented as evidence. There will have been witnesses at the bar, at the police station, etc. I mean I'm not a lawyer and I could rip this apart fairly easily.
I don't know the process in Greece and it might be it's standard to fast track similar to a magistrates and then deal with the cases where there is doubt on appeal, but we have the two sides of the story and we have the case the prosecution presented in court and tbh it's made me change my mind completely. My first reaction to all this was Maguire is a blithering idiot but when the police are just blatantly making things up you do have to wonder if he really did anything at all, otherwie there'd be no need for the police to lie.
Even if it is standard to fast track cases it's really weird to get a guilty verdict on multiple charges when there is not even any collaborative evidence to support a single one of the charges. Generally you'd need more evidence that that to end up with a speeding fine.
There's something oddly reassuring about that picture. I was starting to visualise Mykonos as some kind of super rich resort dominated by mobsters and thrillseeker celebs. Turns out it's the same sort of Greek Island that I remember from going there decades ago.It was dark and at night remember, and the police station hardly looks like one if you didn't know what it was. Let's not forget Maguire isn't expecting to go to the police station, they police told his driver to take him there.
When you've just had an altercation with somebody, you're already quite drunk and then something weird like that happens no wonder he was feeling extremely paranoid. Why is there so many plain clothed policeman around waiting for them?
Actually, this is a fair point. How would the media reacted had it been Raheem Sterling?He is extremely lucky he is english and white as the media would be all over him calling him the worst transfer in premiership history otherwise
Is that not the same place where the first and best Jason Bourne movie ended??It was dark and at night remember, and the police station hardly looks like one if you didn't know what it was. Let's not forget Maguire isn't expecting to go to the police station, they police told his driver to take him there.
When you've just had an altercation with somebody, you're already quite drunk and then something weird like that happens no wonder he was feeling extremely paranoid. Why is there so many plain clothed policeman around waiting for them?
I don’t see anything cringeworthy about it, and the comparison with Pogba is bizarre."Those Manchester United players in the dressing room and the club will stand by Harry Maguire, and myself as a fan in the media will not judge him in any way, shape or form because of the reality is that these things happen in life."
Gary Neville
Cringeworthy statement, but Pogba was a disgrace when he gave away a penalty
Spot on.He is extremely lucky he is english and white as the media would be all over him calling him the worst transfer in premiership history otherwise
If that is what he really said then it is no longer a question of whether Neville is both biased and racist."Those Manchester United players in the dressing room and the club will stand by Harry Maguire, and myself as a fan in the media will not judge him in any way, shape or form because of the reality is that these things happen in life."
Gary Neville
Cringeworthy statement, but Pogba was a disgrace when he gave away a penalty
I heard, with his bare hands, he ripped the tongue out of one of them poor officers mouth. Bare hands! Grotesque. At night, it was dark, who knows.. Mother Theresa, I dont know. One shouldn't do thatYeah, but he hospitalized 12 police officers on that fateful night, many of whom suffered debilitating brain injuries of which they may never recover.
It's so bad. Like headbutting Mother Theresa, you just don't it.
The cops version of events doesn’t sound right. However, why on earth would the Greek cops want to beat up and arrest of all people a celebrity footballer to cover up something?! Surely they would simply deny it or carry out a botched investigation?? Why on earth would they go to these ends to cover something up??? They could have guessed the scrutiny they would come under by doing it this way. Doesn’t sound at all plausible to me.Yes there was a massive incident. You’ve proved my point. They didn’t invent this tragedy out of nothing.
The team bus will get ambushed by cops on the way to the ground in Piraeus.With our luck I'll bet we get Olympiakos in our CL group.
Have to agree with this. I can't help but feeling this if this was Sterling or Pogba, they would be torn apart by the media and be getting far more stick than what Maguire is getting.He is extremely lucky he is english and white as the media would be all over him calling him the worst transfer in premiership history otherwise
As I said in another post. I'm glad i'm not a liberal.
Personally not looked into this case butI don't think Maguire (white though he is) oh and English.....has a prior track record. **ck the media. It's shameful for many if they let the media be their mouth piece or do their thinking for them. Maguires been POOR to Good. Don't care what the stupid lying media say personally.
Social media I am afraid but i remember in the 80s some fans having hate ins on Sunbed Blackmore , Hitler Phelan and Terry GibsonIt’s shocking how much hate this guy gets. Football fandom is so different to when I was growing up, I’m so disillusioned by so many supposed Man Utd fans these days.
And you don´t see the difference?"Those Manchester United players in the dressing room and the club will stand by Harry Maguire, and myself as a fan in the media will not judge him in any way, shape or form because of the reality is that these things happen in life."
Gary Neville
Cringeworthy statement, but Pogba was a disgrace when he gave away a penalty
This literally happens all the time. I've been victim of this myself.Thats not my experience. Show me some examples please. Of police inventing a charge from nothing.
And with respect, Greece is a long way away in corruption index than Nigeria
Anyway, thats not true here, as Maguire was involved in an altercation with police, that is not under debate.
I'd say that's probably the last he speaks about it until the trial tbh.I wish he's stop turning into a circus. Appeal by all means but do it quietly.
To be honest, if I was the Maguires lawyer, I would seriously think twice before advising Harry and his siblings to go back to Greece, testify under oath and undergo thorough cross-examination. The battle lines are now clearly drawn, and chances are it is going to end very badly for the Maguires, especially if the prosecution go for the jugular and demand a custodial sentence. This should have been best resolved away from the courtroom especially after the prosecutors said they just wanted an apology to bury the case, but now that chance is gone. After watching Harry's interview I can only wish him the best of luck, he will need it.While I'm sure plenty of people are capable of lying and embellishing situations to their advantage, it seems to me that the darkest allegations (the ones regarding Daisy Maguire) are getting ignored by a lot of posters in here.
Fine if those posters hate Harry Maguire, but by extension they are calling his fiancee Fern a liar, his sister a liar, his brother (is it James?) Maguire a liar, everyone of the people in Harry Maguire's story has to have been lying in order for the Greek prosecutions case to hold water. That seems outlandish to me, and EASILY proven or disproven if the Maguire's have gone to medial professionals.
All those people are being extremely vocal on social media in Harry's defence - to whit if they were lying they would ALL be guilty of perjury and that's a bigger crime than any scuffle, at least in the justice system of the United Kingdom it is, not sure about Greece.
I hope so.I'd say that's probably the last he speaks about it until the trial tbh.