Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now

[dev1l]

This gives an insight about Sancho s greedy agent....(from Jan 2020).


https://www.allnigeriasoccer.com/read_news.php?nid=34865


Jadon Sancho's Nigerian agent, Emeka Obasi has reportedly demanded 50 million euros (approximately N19.5 billion) from Chelsea as agency commission to pull off the deal taking the Borussia Dortmund sensation to Stamford Bridge in the January transfer window.


Obasi also handles the affairs of Nigeria internationals Alex Iwobi, Ola Aina, Josh Maja and Joe Aribo as well as Arsenal starlets of Nigerian descent Bukayo Saka, Folarin Balogun, Tobi Omole and Malcolm Ebiowei.


Linked with moves to Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool, Borussia Dortmund want to collect the highest possible transfer fee for their prized jewel and have placed an asking price of €120 million on the winger, bringing the total fee to €170m if agency commission is included.


Football.London making reference to Transfer Window Podcast, quoted transfer expert Ian McGarry as saying : "I’m reliably informed that they made a formal enquiry to Borussia Dortmund last Thursday with regards to Jadon Sancho.


"They were quoted, in my view, an astronomical fee of €120million. That didn’t include the €50million commission to the player’s agent.


"They have now stepped away from that and said ‘that’s not going to happen’."


Last year, Obasi successfully defended himself when he was investigated by the English Football Association over allegations that he was paid 200,000 pounds for Sancho's transfer to Manchester City from Watford in 2014.


Ifeanyi Emmanuel


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[Gasolin]

The bigger question here is why Falk does not push for this story to be put in any of the publications of the BILD-Group given that he is one of their head reporters and would absolutely get a high amount of reactions given the public comments of Dortmunds head officials. Ongoing negotiations would directly contradict that the matter is closed from Dortmunds side.

It is also not only BILD, either. Literally nobody in Germany is reporting about these talks. I personally would have expected at least one paper to jump on the rumours in England if only for the hope to get a big exclusive out of it but not even that has happened. If this deal is indeed still ongoing it would be one of the most onesided reported transfer sagas I have ever seen. Usually if a Transfer concerns two different leagues and countries, you get informations from both sides or at least one side fully reporting the others informations. If you would exclusively follow German sports media you would have no idea that the deal is not buried.

It goes even further than that, though. Not only is there no talk about these negotiations, there are also no rumours about Dortmund trying to sign an offensive midfielder. The ones that existed like Memphis Depay have dried out and are now far more frequently linked with other Clubs. I said it before in this thread, but links to other offensive players would probably be one of the best ways to gauge how far along These supposed talks have advanced. Given their current financial situation the sale of a player would be a requirement for them to spend any significant money on another and the only one who is even rumoured to leave is Sancho.

No matter how much some posters believe to understand how Borussia Dortmund is run and what goals they pursue, but anyone who has gained any kind of insight to the Club will very likely agree with one thing: Borussia Dortmund won´t sell Jadon Sancho unless they have either enough time to sign a replacement (that ship has probably sailed by now) or have already someone suitable secured. Sancho won´t leave Dortmund unless there is a successor in place. This is simply not how Dortmund operates and would invite a massive backlash not only by the press but the majority of the fanbase. They won´t sell their best player of the last season just to sit on a mountain of cash without a target to spend the money on. Sancho is too important for them for that.

You are conveniently forgetting you signed someone already.

 

[Adisa]

This gives an insight about Sancho s greedy agent....(from Jan 2020).


https://www.allnigeriasoccer.com/read_news.php?nid=34865


Jadon Sancho's Nigerian agent, Emeka Obasi has reportedly demanded 50 million euros (approximately N19.5 billion) from Chelsea as agency commission to pull off the deal taking the Borussia Dortmund sensation to Stamford Bridge in the January transfer window.


Obasi also handles the affairs of Nigeria internationals Alex Iwobi, Ola Aina, Josh Maja and Joe Aribo as well as Arsenal starlets of Nigerian descent Bukayo Saka, Folarin Balogun, Tobi Omole and Malcolm Ebiowei.


Linked with moves to Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool, Borussia Dortmund want to collect the highest possible transfer fee for their prized jewel and have placed an asking price of €120 million on the winger, bringing the total fee to €170m if agency commission is included.


Football.London making reference to Transfer Window Podcast, quoted transfer expert Ian McGarry as saying : "I’m reliably informed that they made a formal enquiry to Borussia Dortmund last Thursday with regards to Jadon Sancho.


"They were quoted, in my view, an astronomical fee of €120million. That didn’t include the €50million commission to the player’s agent.


"They have now stepped away from that and said ‘that’s not going to happen’."


Last year, Obasi successfully defended himself when he was investigated by the English Football Association over allegations that he was paid 200,000 pounds for Sancho's transfer to Manchester City from Watford in 2014.


Ifeanyi Emmanuel


Photo Credit : bvb. de

Have a feeling its similar to the Pogba transfer in that Dortmund owe the agent a sizable portion of the sell-on fee. Now Dortmund are saying regardless of any agent commission, we want €120m.

 

[Gasolin]

Have a feeling its similar to the Pogba transfer in that Dortmund owe the agent a sizable portion of the sell-on fee. Now Dortmund are saying regardless of any agent commission, we want €120m.

That would be hilarious. But just like for Pogba, we are not and should not be the one liable with the agent's fees...

 

[dev1l]

Have a feeling its similar to the Pogba transfer in that Dortmund owe the agent a sizable portion of the sell-on fee. Now Dortmund are saying regardless of any agent commission, we want €120m.

If both Dortmund and Sancho s agent continue to demand 120+50m=170m euros, I think we should walk away.

 

[2ndTouch]

You are conveniently forgetting you signed someone already.

Who's that?

 

[hellhunter]

Who's that?

They loaned Reinier (or similar) from Real Madrid.

 

[2ndTouch]

They loaned Reinier (or similar) from Real Madrid.

Not a winger

 

[Rolaholic]

If both Dortmund and Sancho s agent continue to demand 120+50m=170m euros, I think we should walk away.

Where are you getting this 50m figure from?

No agent fee has ever touched 50m, not even the 'superagent' likes of Raiola, Zahavi or Mendes have come close

 

[mazhar13]

Where are you getting this 50m figure from?

No agent fee has ever touched 50m, not even the 'superagent' likes of Raiola, Zahavi or Mendes have come close

Ian McGarry mentioned it several weeks back, but I'd take his word with a pinch of salt. Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me if Dortmund are making us pay the agents' fees so that they don't lose anything out of the 120 million Euros.

 

[MyOnlySolskjaer]

Not a winger

Chances are Reyna makes the step up.

 

[dev1l]

Where are you getting this 50m figure from?

No agent fee has ever touched 50m, not even the 'superagent' likes of Raiola, Zahavi or Mendes have come close

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...ade-Frank-Lampard-Dortmund-latest-news-gossip

Also Raiola pocketed 41m GBP from Pogba transfer
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-Raiola-insists-41m-Paul-Pogba-cut-clean.html

 

[Rolaholic]

Ian McGarry mentioned it several weeks back, but I'd take his word with a pinch of salt. Having said that, it wouldn't surprise me if Dortmund are making us pay the agents' fees so that they don't lose anything out of the 120 million Euros.

Would definitely take that with a grain of salt because that'd be the highest agent fee I've seen, even more than the 40m Neymars father and Zahavi got for the PSG transfer and more than Mendes received after brokering Ronaldo to Juve

https://www.express.co.uk/sport/foo...ade-Frank-Lampard-Dortmund-latest-news-gossip

Also Raiola pocketed 41m GBP from Pogba transfer
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/f...-Raiola-insists-41m-Paul-Pogba-cut-clean.html

Yea this is the highest agent fee I can remember seeing reported and Juventus actually ended up paying it to Raiola, not United. It's weird though because the official transfer documents that football leaks published showed he recieved about half of that, £23m

 

[Chief123]

When we get this deal over the line, we all have to collectively take the responsibility upon ourselves to co-ordinate a scheduled visit to Dortmund's twitter account and all post "You love to see it!" all at the same time. It will be a beautiful moment and a tremendous team building exercise for us all. I'm sure Dortmund would love not to see it!

 

[Matriac]

Does anyone know what the contracts between agents and players look like?

Say if a player dislikes how much an agent is interjecting themselves in a deal, can they try to reel them in like "maybe accept a 20m fee instead of 50m?"
Are they contractually obligated to accept what the agent does in an active negotiation or could they threathen to cut them out?

In other business there's usually an obligation that if your partner (the agent in this case) brings a business proposition (negotiating with the specific club) you are not allowed to broker a deal for that offer the intermediary (agent) brought to you without their participation. Else they could sue you.

 

[Berbasbullet]

When we get this deal over the line, we all have to collectively take the responsibility upon ourselves to co-ordinate a scheduled visit to Dortmund's twitter account and all post "You love to see it!" all at the same time. It will be a beautiful moment and a tremendous team building exercise for us all. I'm sure Dortmund would love not to see it!

That would be beautiful! Absolutely beautiful!

I’m not convinced this will happen though, really hope it does and I’d go as far as saying with Sancho we will narrow the gap to the top hugely.

 

[giorno]

Raiola's agent fee IIRC was €16 millions(edit article says roughly £19m agent fees). And that included both the commission from the clubs for brokering the deal as well as the player. The rest, the biggest chunk of that money, was a sell on fee on the transfer, which is a different thing

 

[Offside]

Reminds me so much of the Pogba saga.

 

[dev1l]

Most probably the "pay demands" here refer also to agent s fee

https://www.espn.co.uk/football/soc...mecano-after-sealing-van-de-beek-deal-sources
But with United continuing to make slow progress in their attempts to land priority target Jadon Sancho from Borussia Dortmund due to the pay demands of the England winger and his representative

 

[dev1l]

Does anyone know what the contracts between agents and players look like?

Say if a player dislikes how much an agent is interjecting themselves in a deal, can they try to reel them in like "maybe accept a 20m fee instead of 50m?"
Are they contractually obligated to accept what the agent does in an active negotiation or could they threathen to cut them out?

In other businsess there's usually an obligation that if your partner (the agent in this case) brings a business proposition (negotiating with the specific club) you are not allowed to broker a deal for that offer the intermediary (agent) brought to you without their participation. Else they could sue you.

In some cases the "agent s fee" is split between agent and player.
That's why you should not look exclusively at a player s salary but also other "less official" payments.
So it s not only the agents who are greedy...

 

[giorno]

Does anyone know what the contracts between agents and players look like?

Say if a player dislikes how much an agent is interjecting themselves in a deal, can they try to reel them in like "maybe accept a 20m fee instead of 50m?"
Are they contractually obligated to accept what the agent does in an active negotiation or could they threathen to cut them out?

In other businsess there's usually an obligation that if your partner (the agent in this case) brings a business proposition (negotiating with the specific club) you are not allowed to broker a deal for that offer the intermediary (agent) brought to you without their participation. Else they could sue you.

Afaik there are no contracts, agents work on commission. Players don't fire agents, they simply don't involve them anymore. They might sign contracts relating to image rights or similar, but they don't hire them on a permanent contract for representation

 

[United58]

Raiola's agent fee IIRC was €16 millions(edit article says roughly £19m agent fees). And that included both the commission from the clubs for brokering the deal as well as the player. The rest, the biggest chunk of that money, was a sell on fee on the transfer, which is a different thing

Crazy how high agent fees are.

Surely Sancho's agent is pushing to get this over the line as hard as possible if he's in for this much money?

 

[Berbasbullet]

If we’re out there looking at other targets I can’t help but think we’ve just decided to leave this and focus on others, hope I’m wrong.

 

[elnorte]

Reminds me so much of the Pogba saga.

The development of that one was far more fast paced and also became increasingly positive as the reports grew in number.

 

[buchansleftleg]

Some might say that "agents fee's" sound like a massive hax bodge for the player along with image rights etc

 

[Sphaero]

Chances are Reyna makes the step up.

A chance they won´t be willing to take just yet. Maybe in a year if Reyna progresses nicely, but not now, I rate the lad extremely highly but he is simply not ready yet to fill the shoes of Sancho. Especially in terms of finishing ability the rift between the two is far too large right now. It would be also very unusual for Dortmund to thrust a youngster into such a high pressure situation. They develop the young players behind proven players who build the spine of the team. Sancho himself profited immensively in his first two season halfs by developing in the shadow of an extremely well performing Reus. The only real exception to this rule in recent years has been Haaland but he was not only older but also far more proven on highest level when he joined.

I think people still underestimate how important Sanchos scoring ability has been for Dortmund. They would lose one of their three real goal threats and one of the very few players who can provide real width to their play especially in a system without wingbacks. They will need someone who can be expected to score well consistently and looking at the current squad this will need to come from outside. If Sancho leaves, someone will come in, of that I´m absolutely certain.

 

[GledTheRed]

Leave hime where he is with the small timers, he needs to agitate towards us to help us out but he's clearly happy cruising.

You love to see it.

 

[JoeyJoJoJrShabadoo]

I always assumed the agent fees were apart of the overall deal, like when buying a house. Seems like we are right to walk away as those terms are outrageous if at all true.

 

[Womp]

Agent fees would be involved in his personal terms which are already finalised according to the reliable journos, right? It's the fee with Dortmund that seems to be holding it up.

With Sancho and another addition, whether that's Thiago, a LB or a CB, we can push on and compete with Chelsea, City and Liverpool next season. VDB alone, or VDB and an inferior player to Sancho simply won't be enough imo. Sancho is the perfect balance of a goalscoring playmaker. Simply can't find any to his level, none that are available, anyway

 

[OneUnited24]

I always assumed the agent fees were apart of the overall deal, like when buying a house. Seems like we are right to walk away as those terms are outrageous if at all true.

Thats what I thought. When a club buys a player they usually agree a portion of any sale with the agent. When the player is then subject to another transfer the agreement is between the agent and selling club.

Surely it is not the responsibility of the buying club to pay the agent based on an agreement by another party, in addition to the fee the club is asking. Hence any fee proposed by the selling club has to factor in the agent fees.

If the final price of the total deal is around €170m then i'm not surprised the deal is off

 

[sammsky1]

This gives an insight about Sancho s greedy agent....(from Jan 2020).


https://www.allnigeriasoccer.com/read_news.php?nid=34865


Jadon Sancho's Nigerian agent, Emeka Obasi has reportedly demanded 50 million euros (approximately N19.5 billion) from Chelsea as agency commission to pull off the deal taking the Borussia Dortmund sensation to Stamford Bridge in the January transfer window.


Obasi also handles the affairs of Nigeria internationals Alex Iwobi, Ola Aina, Josh Maja and Joe Aribo as well as Arsenal starlets of Nigerian descent Bukayo Saka, Folarin Balogun, Tobi Omole and Malcolm Ebiowei.


Linked with moves to Manchester United, Chelsea and Liverpool, Borussia Dortmund want to collect the highest possible transfer fee for their prized jewel and have placed an asking price of €120 million on the winger, bringing the total fee to €170m if agency commission is included.


Football.London making reference to Transfer Window Podcast, quoted transfer expert Ian McGarry as saying : "I’m reliably informed that they made a formal enquiry to Borussia Dortmund last Thursday with regards to Jadon Sancho.


"They were quoted, in my view, an astronomical fee of €120million. That didn’t include the €50million commission to the player’s agent.


"They have now stepped away from that and said ‘that’s not going to happen’."


Last year, Obasi successfully defended himself when he was investigated by the English Football Association over allegations that he was paid 200,000 pounds for Sancho's transfer to Manchester City from Watford in 2014.


Ifeanyi Emmanuel


Photo Credit : bvb. de

IF thats true, walk away, and let him rot in Germany. Not interested in the slightest.

 

[manunited1919]

For me Sancho doesn’t make sense for the money being talked about. I would rather the money be spent on improving both RB & LB positions, as I’m not convinced we will challenge with either Luke Shaw (just look at his injury record) or Bambi on Ice as starters. We would get much more bang for the buck if we spend our money there. Good fullbacks are a requirement for a really top of the line team.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

For me Sancho doesn’t make sense for the money being talked about. I would rather the money be spent on improving both RB & LB positions, as I’m not convinced we will challenge with either Luke Shaw (just look at his injury record) or Bambi on Ice as starters. We would get much more bang for the buck if we spend our money there. Good fullbacks are a requirement for a really top of the line team.

In that case we have to be prepared to miss out on an elite talent to another club. These players come about rarely and they are always in demand. It's like the decision to go Hazard or Aguero, or not.

I think we already have good fullbacks. While it would be nice to have an attacking one (or two) I don't see any available fullback like Alves who would take us up a few notches. Good fullbacks are always available whrher this summer or next. Sancho probably won't be

 

[LisburnWhite]

Handy soapy chap

 

[dove]

In that case we have to be prepared to miss out on an elite talent to another club. These players come about rarely and they are always in demand. It's like the decision to go Hazard or Aguero, or not.

I think we already have good fullbacks. While it would be nice to have an attacking one (or two) I don't see any available fullback like Alves who would take us up a few notches. Good fullbacks are always available whrher this summer or next. Sancho probably won't be

That's the thing though, he is "an elite talent" and there are no guarantees he will even reach his expectations. Some other guy named Joao Felix went for similar amount of money but hardly set the world alight so far. I am not saying Sancho will follow him but €120m is a lot of money for any player in the world, especially 20 year old talent. We shouldn't really slam the club if we refuse to pay that. I think it will depend on the sales. We certainly cannot afford him unless we shift some deadwood.

 

[TheNewEra]

The Agent is the problem, I doubt the fee is.

 

[Strelok]

That's the thing though, he is "an elite talent" and there are no guarantees he will even reach his expectations. Some other guy named Joao Felix went for similar amount of money but hardly set the world alight so far. I am not saying Sancho will follow him but €120m is a lot of money for any player in the world, especially 20 year old talent. We shouldn't really slam the club if we refuse to pay that. I think it will depend on the sales. We certainly cannot afford him unless we shift some deadwood.

Agreed.

I despise the Glazers but I wouldn't blame them for not paying €120m for a 20 yo player in this climate.

 

[Gambit]

Happy Sancho day!

 

[TheNewEra]

Happy Sancho day!

Roughly translated: Redcafe way of saying Good Morning this summer

 

[Womp]

That's the thing though, he is "an elite talent" and there are no guarantees he will even reach his expectations. Some other guy named Joao Felix went for similar amount of money but hardly set the world alight so far. I am not saying Sancho will follow him but €120m is a lot of money for any player in the world, especially 20 year old talent. We shouldn't really slam the club if we refuse to pay that. I think it will depend on the sales. We certainly cannot afford him unless we shift some deadwood.

Sancho is and always has been a superior talent to Felix. Has been more effective in a more competitive league, for a larger span of time. It's not comparable. Felix was a bit of a risk, Sancho is already one of the World's best forwards, posting stats for two years straight that only Messi can match. This kid is unbelievable, not throwing everything we have to sign him down is unacceptable imo