England has just posted a new insta story with Greenwood and Sancho. Nothing special but I love it 
Jadon Sancho| Staying at Dortmund for now
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Yeah I thought exactly the same when we decided to go for Donny over Grealish and hopefully that is indeed where the excess money is going
Yeah we did it with Dybala & Griezmann so don't think a brief would have been any different for this one
C’mon there’s a clear difference, has every ‘reliable’ source confirmed we class these other players as our primary target and that we have been liaising through intermediaries for weeks on end like this one?
No. And meanwhile every minute of the day is an opportunity to shut this down for the club.
I mean, you can doubt Romano’s credibility all you like but in isolation this doesn’t really mean much. He said “advanced negotiations” and not “done deal”. I doubt that every advanced negotiation in history ended with a done deal; if it was done then he probably would have just said that. Think you’re being a bit harsh on him here.
I’m not by any means saying he has contacts all over the world that are 100% reliable but when evaluating journalists you look at their history and their track record. Nobody is going to get every single thing right and when you look at it that way he certainly is the best out there in a pool of shit. I think it’s a bit over the top to suggest he’s going the same way as GDM into the journalists’ graveyard just because of one sample that may not even be untrue in the end.
That would be Matthias Dersch. He used to work for the Ruhr Nachrichten. Him switching to Kicker a few years ago was the second big blow the Ruhr Nachrichten suffered in recent years. The first one was Sascha Fligge completely switching sides and becoming Borussia Dortmunds head of PR in 2012. The Ruhr Nachrichten has not been a tier one source in terms of breaking news for a while now, their last exclusive dating back several years ago. They are local and report a lot about the club, but prety much only day to day stuff.
If I would have to rank journalists based on reliability, the top of the list would be undoubtly Freddie Röckenhaus who writes for the "Süddeutsche Zeitung", enjoys a positive personal relationship with both their president and CEO and functions as the clubs primary mouth piece towards the media.
Behind Röckenhaus would be the before mentioned Dersch and Sebastian Wessling who writes for "Der Westen", who have also good sources in the club. BILD has broken a fair share of transfer news aswell in recent history, but their informations come rarely directly from the club but by being well connected to a lot of agents.
None of the mentioned have commented on personal terms between Sancho and United, though. That has been pretty clearly been Romano with Falk (who quite frankly has no history of having strong ties to Dortmund) jumping on the bandwagon shortly after. Fjorthof is a bullshitter who usually just copies whatever the reliable journalists in terms of German clubs report.
Another thing that has never been backed by the reliable German journalists is the exclusive use of agents for negotiations on Dortmunds side, by the way. They do use agents in a supportive manner, mostly to make first contact and kick off ngotiations but the advanced stages have always been directly handled by their head officials, usually by DoF Zorc alone and in some rare cases together with CEO Watzke.If the fee has been indeed be agreed between clubs without direct involvement of their head officials, it would certainly been a first. Even then it would be highly unusual that none of the German journalists have made any kind of noise about that.
You're getting abit defensive over this journo. I honestly couldn't care less about what he's got right in the past. He jumped the gun on this deal and that's all I'm pointing out.
For me it's pretty simple. Dortmund have their media outlets and they're are the ones to take notice of over the like of Romano. With Donny Van de Beek it was Mike Verweij who was on the money.
Very interesting. This reads like I should just be get my Sancho news from you
I'm gonna start a Jadon Sancho Performance thread. That's gotta help right?
September 7th it is lads.
Weird post mate. I’m not getting defensive. I’m responding to your point. If you only care about what Romano’s reporting on this deal and not his track record then maybe don’t make grand predictions of impending doom for his journalistic future?Agreed on your final point.
Think people need to show Fabrizio some more respect. The English journalists have been lagging behind not only this summer but for the last few years now. It's been a good 4-5 years since I've been able to say to myself that Sky are reliable, especially in relation to foreign outlets. Our approach is clear as day, we use the local papers as mouthpieces to try and spin a saga a certain way or release information to either appease us as fans or as some sort of strategic move in negotiations. We also use the English press to outright deny certain rumours that pop up which I imagine the club don't want to circulate, but anything past that it's just air. We feed them a load of vague and often old information whilst the likes of Di Marzio/Fabrizio or the local papers of the club we are negotiating with are usually a step or two ahead. Cooper seems fairly reliable but I'm easily siding with Romano on this. And don't get me started on Samuel Luckhurst, if maintaining any form of credibility was part of his job requirements he'd be out of work.
The reality is 'unable to agree personal and agent fees' is the perfect story to fall back on if things don't work out this summer. The agent is painted as the villain and United can essentially shift the blame completely from a PR standpoint. It's quite obvious we've had some sort of discussions with Dortmund regarding Sancho, priobably through intermediaries. If the structure and fee with Dortmund haven't been an issue then Dortmund wouldn't have put on the whole 'Sancho is staying' scene involving all their players etc. To me, Dortmund played that card as a response to the negotiations thus far - essentially saying fix up otherwise we have no worries keeping him. Ultimately, I think we'll eventually get him though.
The reality is 'unable to agree personal and agent fees' is the perfect story to fall back on if things don't work out this summer. The agent is painted as the villain and United can essentially shift the blame completely from a PR standpoint. It's quite obvious we've had some sort of discussions with Dortmund regarding Sancho, priobably through intermediaries. If the structure and fee with Dortmund haven't been an issue then Dortmund wouldn't have put on the whole 'Sancho is staying' scene involving all their players etc. To me, Dortmund played that card as a response to the negotiations thus far - essentially saying fix up otherwise we have no worries keeping him. Ultimately, I think we'll eventually get him though.
'Impending doom'
Agreed on your final point.
Which United transfer did Romano call before all else?
When a Italian journalist is making claims about a English player playing for a German club then that claim will be scruitinized. And the claim in question is looking silly right now whether Sancho signs for us not.
Romano isn't the Oracle like some of you are making him out to be. I'd trust him on Italian related transfer news but I'm not gullible enough to believe he is more reliable when it comes to players outside of his country than journos of said country.
The English Journos don't spend 20 hours a day chasing agents because that isn't healthy or normal in our country.
People arguing over twitter journalists who are as much in the know as the idiots on reddit ie not at all .
It's obvious they do nothing but guess and regurgitate what other clueless hacks say hoping that in the rare occurrences their guess work pays off they can claim insider knowledge
It's obvious they do nothing but guess and regurgitate what other clueless hacks say hoping that in the rare occurrences their guess work pays off they can claim insider knowledge
You’re not actually responding to my point though; you’re just arguing something I haven’t disputed.'Impending doom'
Which United transfer did Romano call before all else?
When a Italian journalist is making claims about a English player playing for a German club then that claim will be scruitinized. And the claim in question is looking silly right now whether Sancho signs for us not.
Romano isn't the Oracle like some of you are making him out to be. I'd trust him on Italian related transfer news but I'm not gullible enough to believe he is more reliable when it comes to players outside of his country than journos of said country.
Never said he was an Oracle. Never said he called a United transfer before all else. Never said he was more reliable than journalists of a said country for isolated transfers.
What I said is that based on his overall history and track record, he is one of, if not the most reliable journo out there that isn’t a club puppet and brief-publisher. For me, that matters as I like to hear what may actually be going on as opposed to hearing each clubs’ versions of events. If I wanted that I would just refresh Simon Stone’s Twitter feed.
You don’t care about track record though so there’s nowhere for this debate to go.
We must have patience.
We'll sign him.
Only a matter of time.
We'll sign him.
Only a matter of time.
I'm not arguing that he isn't a credible journo. But my argument was in isolation to his claim on Jadon Sancho.
There's also no debate because I'm not debating anything. I'm just sharing my point of view on the claim Romano made.
I'm also not willing to die on this hill and I definitely don't want to argue with a poster like yourself who I consider to be a good poster. So I'm gonna move on from this and keep the piece with a good poster like yourself before we draw swords.
To be fair, despite being Italian and from Di Marzio's team, he writes many articles for The Guardian, particularly with other reliable English journalists. I can't recall another foreign journalist who writes as much for The Guardian alongside other reliable English journalists.
This is such a dead saga. Even when there's an update it's about how things are not progressing
Likewise, brother!I'm not arguing that he isn't a credible journo. But my argument was in isolation to his claim on Jadon Sancho.
There's also no debate because I'm not debating anything. I'm just sharing my point of view on the claim Romano made.
I'm also not willing to die on this hill and I definitely don't want to argue with a poster like yourself who I consider to be a good poster. So I'm gonna move on from this and keep the piece with a good poster like yourself before we draw swords.
Hahahahahaha
He's taking getting the player in quite literally.
TBF I'd believe Romano about the personal agreement stuff. Why would a club even negotiate and get into negotiations for a 120 mil deal without prior knowledge of what the players personal demands would be like. It is unlikely that there are significant differences in personal terms between United and Sancho (could be some issues here and there though) if any sort of deal with Dortmund has been agreed
It seems this is dying out. Damn, was hoping to get to 1000 pages.
I thought this was going to happen. I guess the board isn’t interested in winning it all again. To do so, you need the best players.
I would have liked to have had another 10 year run where we win several titles and a CL or two.
I thought this was going to happen. I guess the board isn’t interested in winning it all again. To do so, you need the best players.
I would have liked to have had another 10 year run where we win several titles and a CL or two.
Happy Sancho Day nonbeliever.
Big day today.
As long as Sergio Amara doesn't call this deal off, I'll remain hopeful till the end of transfer window
It'll hit 1000 pages, easily.
The Messi one went from 20 pages to around 60 after he said he was potentially going to leave Barca with people discussing things like City.
As soon as news gets leaked like fee agreed there'll be 40+ pages within a day, when he's having his medical the same will happen.
Sancho looks like the follow right now:
- Fee agreed tentatively with Dortmund, fee not a problem, instalments not a problem (hence signing VDB)
- Agent fees an issue (asking £50M too much, probably want half of that maximum)
- Personal terms and the wage isn't an issue for United
It's still big profits for their organisation, and it's very good PR for them taking on new players 'we got Sancho his move to United, join us and we can negotiate with the big clubs for you'.
The issue with the agency is they are asking for far too much in a Covid market, and they should know that.
Happy Sancho morning folks.
Oh happy as candy
we're signing him 10-14 days from now, first it's Badiashille, Sancho to finish our business with a bang (a'la Pogba transfer)
If we can get him, it would be a pretty decent transfer window.
O rly?
Its' happening?
Reading between all the lines, Im a bit hopeful again. The VDB deal either meant that Sancho was entirely off, or we knew how much Sancho was costing us and were able to start spending on other deals. United have a habit of briefing when a deal isnt happening (such as "cooling our interest" in Griezmann), usually trying to save face. I think we'd have had some news ruling out a move if it wasn't going to happen. My best guess is that we're close to meeting what Dortmund want and the remaining stumbling blocks are all the details rather than the big picture.
The club know what they need to pay to get Sancho and if they pay that it will be a quick deal. Nobody else is in for him so it’s considering pretty safe to leave it for a bit and focus on other aspects of the window that need to be attended to. I imagine if we manage to off load some of the deadwood in the meantime then the deal will be easier to justify financially for us. All about the waiting game.
You greedy ....
It's the former, Sancho is the number 1 priority, VDB wouldn't be signed if Sancho wasn't coming.
The Pogba year (as per Wikipedia):
| Date | Pos. | Name | From | Fee |
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| 6 June 2016 | DF | Eric Bailly | Villarreal | Undisclosed[nb 1] |
| 1 July 2016 | FW | Zlatan Ibrahimović | Paris Saint-Germain | Free[20] |
| 6 July 2016 | MF | Henrikh Mkhitaryan | Borussia Dortmund | Undisclosed[nb 2] |
| 9 August 2016 | MF | Paul Pogba | Juventus | £89m[22][23] |
Pogba is the marquee signing with the other players that worked within the budget were signed, Bailly and Mkhitaryan.
The Lukaku year (as per Wikipedia):
| Date | Pos. | Name | From | Fee |
|---|---|---|---|---|
| 1 July 2017 | DF | Victor Lindelöf | Benfica | Undisclosed[nb 2][30] |
| 10 July 2017 | FW | Romelu Lukaku | Everton | Undisclosed[nb 3][32] |
| 31 July 2017 | MF | Nemanja Matić | Chelsea | Undisclosed[nb 4][34] |
Removed Sanchez from the list as it was a January transfer, Lindelof again was the squad player at the time, Lukaku was the marquee signing, Matic came after because was available at the right price.
Last year it was (as per wikipedia):
| Date | Pos. | Name | From | Fee | Ref. |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 12 June 2019 | MF | Daniel James | Swansea City | Undisclosed[f] | [103] |
| 29 June 2019 | DF | Aaron Wan-Bissaka | Crystal Palace | Undisclosed[g] | [105] |
| 5 August 2019 | DF | Harry Maguire | Leicester City | Undisclosed[h] | [107] |
They were interested in Maguire first and foremost, the big transfer. Which meant he was last, the board allocated funds for 'a wildcard, potential' in James, a 'certainty' in Wan-bissaka, and the 'marquee' signing in Maguire.
Parallels to this summer, United know what they have to spend for Sancho, there is some form of agreement, so they secured VDB, they are looking at a CB and at moving on players, Sancho will be the last signing of the window.
United only sign the players before IF the budget is right, they have the money for Sancho ready.
This summer so far and potential window:
| Date | Pos. | Name | From | Fee | Ref. |
|---|---|---|---|---|---|
| 2 September 2020 | MF | Donny van de Beek | Ajax | Undisclosed[a] | [3] |
| Some Date in September | DF | Who Knows When | |||
| Some Date in September | FW | Sancho (?) Marquee Signing |
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Recently stumbled across this guy on Twitter, he instantly became my go to for “ITK” hope
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