Thiago not even on the bench?
Should have joined us
Should have joined us
Have Liverpool peaked?
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It's a culmination of Liverpool peaking as other teams are faltering.
Liverpool peaked last season, this season they will not be as dominant, despite their good start, however they still don't have any real challenger's, City are still finding a Kompany replacement, Chelsea have too many players to gel, United are way off, as are Spurs and Arsenal.
The likes of Everton and Leicester will be there or there abouts but will fade when squad depth needs to be called upon.
Shame as we really missed out with this transfer window to bridge the gap,
Liverpool peaked last season, this season they will not be as dominant, despite their good start, however they still don't have any real challenger's, City are still finding a Kompany replacement, Chelsea have too many players to gel, United are way off, as are Spurs and Arsenal.
The likes of Everton and Leicester will be there or there abouts but will fade when squad depth needs to be called upon.
Shame as we really missed out with this transfer window to bridge the gap,
Yep. Hopefulness
They have far better depth this season with Thiago and Jota (who, I think, will turn out to be a really good player for them). I actually think they might equal last season with those players. Possibly this Tsimikas could be good as well; I don't know anything about him, though.
I could see them doing the double this season: Champions League and Premier League.
They have already won the Premier League in my mind. I don't think City have done enough with transfers to close the gap; they need a striker on Aguero's level - one who doesn't get injured.
I could see them doing the double this season: Champions League and Premier League.
They have already won the Premier League in my mind. I don't think City have done enough with transfers to close the gap; they need a striker on Aguero's level - one who doesn't get injured.
You must be fun to be around with.
Yes but
1. The peak is fecking high
2. Their competition is fecking shit.
They'll walk the league again and it'll be painful.
1. The peak is fecking high
2. Their competition is fecking shit.
They'll walk the league again and it'll be painful.
Or I just accept when another team is just that good.
Think it is unwise to suggest they will walk the league after just 3 games. They have been lucky with no long term injuries, where we have had a few to some of our best players. Lots of teams will improve over the next few weeks, but I think by Christmas/January we will know who are the teams going to challenge.
a lot of these players would probably be worse at other clubs too
Alisson was unknown until 2017? What? That's ridiculous. Why do you think they paid so much for him?
I think Roma were determined after Salah that Liverpool weren't getting any more bargains from them.
They bought him in 2018. He hadn’t even made his debut for Roma before the 2017-18 season. He was understudy to Szczesny.facts!
OK, but 'unknown' is still a ridiculous way to describe a £70 million GK. I don't accept for a second that he was 'half the player' at Roma. Lot's of people at the time said he was a great keeper. That huge fee does not come on the back of one season at Roma. Liverpool and other clubs had known about him for a long time.
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I still cannot believe the deckers actually got Klopp in 2015 when they were nowhere. Absolutely infuriating.
If you adhere to SAF's principle that a champion team lasts 3 or 4 years, upon which it requires breaking up and replenishment, then this is Klopp's last year of certain dominance (I include Liverpools 97point 2nd place as a champion year). Other clubs will eventually work out how to limit his algorithm and this squad of players will eventually became stale under his instruction. (Pep is experiencing this 3 or 4 year cycle right now)
The other aspect of Liverpool's amazing consistency is that VVD has played 96 consecutive PL games, and they have also had a virtually injury free attack during that time too. Longer term injuries or absences to either are statistically due very soon and will have an impact. Also Madrid, Barcelona and PSG will attempt to raid Liverpool at some point, and Klopp may suddenly get requisitioned by Germany national team.
However, if Klopp can reinvent his algorithm, and is able to recruit as effectively as before to seamlessly create his next team, then Liverpool's dominance will carry on unabated. It will be interesting to see how recent acquisitions like Minamino, Thiago and Jota impact his team.
The other aspect of Liverpool's amazing consistency is that VVD has played 96 consecutive PL games, and they have also had a virtually injury free attack during that time too. Longer term injuries or absences to either are statistically due very soon and will have an impact. Also Madrid, Barcelona and PSG will attempt to raid Liverpool at some point, and Klopp may suddenly get requisitioned by Germany national team.
However, if Klopp can reinvent his algorithm, and is able to recruit as effectively as before to seamlessly create his next team, then Liverpool's dominance will carry on unabated. It will be interesting to see how recent acquisitions like Minamino, Thiago and Jota impact his team.
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I don't buy that they will get lots of injures. I think the length of their relatively injury-free run suggests that they have a superior medical set up than most other teams in the PL. I don't think it's luck.
If last season's injury trend changes and we gain momentum, we are not that far off. We can beat any side in the PL at any moment, but I think we probably won't challenge this season because we could lose at home to Fulham and similar. With next years contract expiration we are really in the position to do some smart tweeks next summer window thou. If we manage that right, next season we'll contend. Season after that we win it.
Nah, this is a result of some serious thinking and I'm borderline psychic. They lose points to Villa and Everton for starters. Well maybe not Villa, but hey a man can dream, right?
When it comes to us, this season we'll be a level above our performances from last season. But next season... oooh next season we'll be hot
I can't see that happening their superstars are all around late twenties which would make them unattractive proposition relative to price they would require to prise away from Liverpool. Their fullbacks being British might prefer to stay in England even if somebody comes calling.
They will be dominant for another couple of years. Most of their too players are still in their prime and Klopp himself as well it seems
Easy to say in theory.
Abit harder when Madrid genuinely offers TAA 3 times his current wage and an opportunity to live and play in Madrid. We shall see.
Can't be, I heard they're asthmatic.
But then it's a lot easier to say again when said player has already said it's his dream to stay at the club for his entire career.
Agree.
The overreactions after 3 matches are a bit. They will drop points (remember Lacazette missed 2 sitters). Playing at home without a crowd will really hurt them in big games.
I agree and 3 x your salary when it’s £100k per week means a lot less that if it’s £50k per year.
Leeds, Chelsea away and Arsenal.
Other teams (inc City) will not win all three of these fixtures
They will win the title again, if they stay injury free. Their pressing is so good and a lot of these teams (and managers) are so into playing out the back and being stubborn they fall right into their traps.
Liverpools front three will be too good for most defences esp the other 14. And theyve improved their squad with good signings.
Its sickening to watch.
Other teams (inc City) will not win all three of these fixtures
They will win the title again, if they stay injury free. Their pressing is so good and a lot of these teams (and managers) are so into playing out the back and being stubborn they fall right into their traps.
Liverpools front three will be too good for most defences esp the other 14. And theyve improved their squad with good signings.
Its sickening to watch.
They have started improving their squad depth with likes of Jota, Thiago and will probably continue doing it years to come so they can stay on top. It hurts to think how United never improved when Ronaldo left. Barca made the same mistakes in last few years and now are a complete mess. Hard to believe that clubs as big as United and Barca could make decisions they've had.
Massive respect to Klopp, he took over an average Liverpool side and made them champions over few years. Would have been perfect replacement for Fergie but wasn't to be.
Massive respect to Klopp, he took over an average Liverpool side and made them champions over few years. Would have been perfect replacement for Fergie but wasn't to be.
One of them was a blatant offside that he didn't even believe in himself, if I'm not mistaken. And if you go down that road - we missed more "sitters" than Arsenal did.
But in general, agreed that the reactions are over the top yeah. Arsenal played perfectly into our hand the first half.
Im using TAA as an example. Players do leave champion teams, look at your own Thiago.
Yeah Mane/Salah i can see seeking a new challenge, but i dont think the likes of trent/robbo will be tempted away that easily!
No they haven’t peaked and I can only see them getting better and better.
But don’t worry Ed and his side kick will sign Sancho and whoever else this week and we’ll be fine - ffs.
sleeping in to mediocrity (if not already done so)
But don’t worry Ed and his side kick will sign Sancho and whoever else this week and we’ll be fine - ffs.
sleeping in to mediocrity (if not already done so)
At this minute you can't see past them, in 15 games it might change, in March it might change again. Will the challengers pull their fingers out and offer competition.
Simple answer to the question - yes. This Liverpool side looks so complacent and lack of desire, and Keane is right about their sloppy football.
I think there isn't a page on the football forum in which United fans don't admit this. In fact even the most extreme Ole inners would never say that Ole can come close to Klopp. They just say Klopp needed time to build something. This is how much the forum rates Klopp.
They remind me of United in Ferguson’s late years around 2011 where they just do everything correctly even if they don’t have a world class “big name” in every position. Every player knows their job and is playing for the manager, full of confidence.
There's also what Solskjaer is dealing with behind the scenes; the man who reputedly turned Klopp off United by referring to it as Disneyland. Would Klopp have received the same organisational support at United?
He was already Brazil's 1st choice keeper and started for them at the World Cup before he joined Liverpool despite Ederson starring for City's centurion side. Was definitely already well rated.
Yeap keeping VVD fit is the key for them I think as they are covered up front and in midfield but he really is the linch pin at the back for them.
If they dont get any injuries or long term suspensions they will win the league this season.
The sooner Klopp fecks off the better.
Also, there are only two of those 'top teams in sunny places', and there are talented footballers all over. They won't be buying Liverpool empty.
They've had Leeds, Chelsea, and Arsenal. How are those 'easy fixtures'?
I think so too. Not that Ole is trash, but I think a world class coach could get much more out of this Man Utd squad, and could be in the mix for the title (if Liverpool doesn't continue getting around 100 points) pretty soon if a few small squad issues are sorted out.
Not included due to a 'small fitness issue', Liverpool's line-up tweet said yesterday.
Matter of recruitment also, I think. Some players just have chronic issues.
If we'd bought any of those players, we wouldn't have moved an inch. Their system that Klopp has implemented and have them playing, makes the team better than the sum of their parts.
I think that's almost always why a Dortmund player flops at other clubs.