Trump Coronavirus (CV in US Politics)

[calodo2003]

Like, honestly, we're all rubbernecking here but the idea that it's the responsibility of the state to engage with our desire for a scale of 1-10 how alive he seems doesn't strike me as terribly rational.

It’s the circumstances that make this event a bit different. We’re dealing with the biggest disseminator of erroneous information regarding the virus who actually has the virus. Any inquiry as to how he contracted the virus & its effects is knowledge for the public good.

I do agree with you in so much as I really don’t care too much about his blood oxygen level, but his current treatments are germane to the public better understanding the virus.

It’s also the potential political vacuum & the deleterious effects that his sudden passing could unleash. We don’t need another Al Haig moment this tune around when there is civil unrest inside our country, rapid deployment forces are being created within armed branches of the government for potential internal deployment, & the populace is becoming further divided by the day. We don’t need someone down the pecking order in the CoG to try to take the reins of any faction of the country without any pushback. Would transparency help this not to happen? Hopefully it would.

It would be humorous to see someone like Mnuchin try this, though.

 

[DOTA]

Would transparency help this not to happen? Hopefully it would.

It wouldn't, no.

 

[calodo2003]

It wouldn't, no.

We’ve never been quite here before, so there’s an argument that the past may not be perfectly applicable now. Again, not talking about the minutiae of his hospital stay, but the current broad medical strokes that do affect everyone & how he came to acquire the virus.

If the president started to take a turn for the worse, I believe that is news that is warranted to be broadcast.

 

[JulesWinnfield]

I’m not usually one for conspiracy theories but I can see them hyping up a mild illness to create sympathy. Boris got a fair bit of goodwill for pulling through his bout.

Boris Johnson hadn't spent months mocking anyone taking precautions against the virus though. Is there anyone who wasn't already going to be voting for Trump who will be won over by him playing for sympathy after months of playing down the virus and making fun of those taking it seriously? One of his big attack points on Biden is also that Biden is this old fragile guy while he contrasts himself as the healthiest president ever and whatnot......which doesn't really stack with being hospitalised by an illness that mainly hospitalises the unhealthy and elderly.

 

[FrankDrebin]

Timeline of all the people Trump may have infected

https://www.politico.com/news/2020/10/02/trump-timeline-activities-425041

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[calodo2003]

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The removal of every one of those senators from public view for a few weeks would be wonderful.

 

[klsv]

is he dead yet?

I'm refreshing this in one tab and the Sancho thread in another.
https://www.twitter.com/is_trump_dead

 

[calodo2003]

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[Sweet Square]

Boris Johnson hadn't spent months mocking anyone taking precautions against the virus though.

He wasn't much better tbh

Boris Johnson: Well it’s a very, very important question, and that’s where a lot of the debate has been and one of the theories is, that perhaps you could take it on the chin, take it all in one go and allow the disease, as it were, to move through the population, without taking as many draconian measures

 

[DOTA]

He wasn't much better tbh

Worth remembering that Boris' actions have resulted in more deaths as a percentage of total population than Trump's.

As impressive as Trump has been with the bluster, Boris was more effective in killing people.

 

[golden_blunder]

Worth remembering that Boris' actions have resulted in more deaths as a percentage of total population than Trump's.

As impressive as Trump has been with the bluster, Boris was more effective in killing people.

I don’t agree with that
Trump spent the first few weeks denying it was in the country, then denying the danger, then denying masks. Not to mention using bleach and HDQ, holding rallies and fund raisers, etc

 

[DOTA]

I don’t agree with that
Trump spent the first few weeks denying it was in the country, then denying the danger, then denying masks. Not to mention using bleach and HDQ, holding rallies and fund raisers, etc

That is all true. He's awful! But we do have a higher death rate in the UK.

 

[Sweet Square]

Worth remembering that Boris' actions have resulted in more deaths as a percentage of total population than Trump's.

As impressive as Trump has been with the bluster, Boris was more effective in killing people.

Jesus I keep forgetting just how bad we have it here in the UK. Thank christ for the furlough scheme(Which mostly happened due to union pressure) and the thin layer of welfare state still left in Britain(Which the Tories have spent decades trying to get rid of)

I don’t agree with that
Trump spent the first few weeks denying it was in the country, then denying the danger, then denying masks. Not to mention using bleach and HDQ, holding rallies and fund raisers, etc

What's the difference between denying the virus is real and thinking the best way to deal with the virus is to infect as many people as possible ? They both lead to the same outcome right ?

 

[RedPed]

Kellyanne Conway confirmed yesterday that she was positive. Still holding out for Barr and McEnany. Glad that McDaniel's got it too after her smugness the last few weeks over the rallies and RNC.

 

[TwoSheds]

I don’t agree with that
Trump spent the first few weeks denying it was in the country, then denying the danger, then denying masks. Not to mention using bleach and HDQ, holding rallies and fund raisers, etc

Well yes, the American government is so big that whatever Trump does there's always bound to still be some sensible people somewhere getting on with something useful. They also have a much more sparsely populated country on the whole.

However, unforgivable decisions like ordering the hospitals in the UK to discharge elderly patients without testing for Covid-19 back to care homes lie firmly with Cummings, Johnson and the other meat puppets. He also went round in the early days essentially taking the piss out of hospital precautions by shaking hands with Covid patients, and then there's his famous Superman of Capitalism speech where he said we aren't going to shut down the economy for a few old fatties dying. Before realising that most of his voters, his party and in fact he himself are old fatties.

 

[JulesWinnfield]

He wasn't much better tbh

Now quote the next sentence....

 

[Eugenius]

Feel uncomfortable with people wishing him ill. Yes he's a cnut, but a democratically elected cnut who is just a totem symbol of millions of cnuts with similar viewpoints. Maybe at least these people will actually wake up to the realities of the virus.

 

[RedPed]

Feel uncomfortable with people wishing him ill. Yes he's a cnut, but a democratically elected cnut who is just a totem symbol of millions of cnuts with similar viewpoints. Maybe at least these people will actually wake up to the realities of the virus.

Good for you...then don't.

 

[Sweet Square]

Now quote the next sentence....

Er......ok

I think we need to strike a balance, I think it is very important, we’ve got a fantastic NHS, we will give them all the support that they need, we will make sure that they have all preparations, all the kit that they need for us to get through it.

It doesn't help his case(The government failed to equip NHS staff to point where they had to get equipment from online kink shops )

 

[Suedesi]

Personally I take no pleasure in the idea of him suffering greatly or being on death's door, but I do find it gratifying to think he might be forced to learn a harsh lesson. I thought this was a pretty useful summary of the diverging trajectories of the US and Europe, and one thing I'd kind of forgotten about was his "Liberate Michigan!" in the midst of the first wave. There's so much lunacy built into just two words there.

Great video. Had no idea NYT picked up Johnny Harris

 

[Dr. StrangeHate]

I'm going to assume Republicans are not going to do a SCOTUS hearing during all of this.

I would like to tell you about a Nigerian Prince needing your help.

 

[DOTA]

Yes he's a cnut, but a democratically elected cnut who is just a totem symbol of millions of cnuts with similar viewpoints.

No, he's really bad. He's made the bigots more bigoted. He is not just a product of our times he has significantly worsened things through his actions.

 

[KirkDuyt]

To quote William Butcher; call me when he's dead. I'll come piss on his coffin.

 

[Maticmaker]

Feel uncomfortable with people wishing him ill. Yes he's a cnut, but a democratically elected cnut who is just a totem symbol of millions of cnuts with similar viewpoints. Maybe at least these people will actually wake up to the realities of the virus.

Yes, its something a lot of people conveniently forget.
How in heavens name he ever got the 'gig' of playing President, (and you suspect a 'gig' is exactly what this master showman, ex-reality TV star sees as his role) is a revelation in itself and also a testament to how far away from the pulse of the American people its serious politicians were, four years ago.

Is there any reason to believe these same politicians are any closer now to understanding their people, and hence unless the Covid-19 virus does for Trump, will the people re-elect him again?

 

[JulesWinnfield]

Er......ok


It doesn't help his case(The government failed to equip NHS staff to point where they had to get equipment from online kink shops )

Basically all countries with big outbreaks - France, Germany, US, Italy, Spain.... had PPE shortages.

I'm not fan of Johnson but look,

1) You selectively quoted him to make out he advocated for letting the virus wash over us. When actually in the same statement (which you again conveniently missed out) " But I think it would be better if we take all the measures that we can now to stop the peak of the disease being as difficult for the NHS as it might be, I think there are things that we may be able to do. ".

2) Everywhere had PPE shortages because unsurprisingly countries do not keep massive stockpiles of PPE which goes out of date. I'm not saying they handled that perfectly but the idea that that wasn't something that would have happened whoever was leader is rather absurd.

 

[Jim Beam]

Boris Johnson hadn't spent months mocking anyone taking precautions against the virus though. Is there anyone who wasn't already going to be voting for Trump who will be won over by him playing for sympathy after months of playing down the virus and making fun of those taking it seriously? One of his big attack points on Biden is also that Biden is this old fragile guy while he contrasts himself as the healthiest president ever and whatnot......which doesn't really stack with being hospitalised by an illness that mainly hospitalises the unhealthy and elderly.

You don't see him getting benefits coming back in 10-15 days fully healthy beating the world-wide disease which he mocked using experimental drug when he already announced we are close to vaccine.

You underestimate how dangerous, manipulative and power hungry this lying fecker is.

If he dies call me a believer.

 

[calodo2003]

Feel uncomfortable with people wishing him ill. Yes he's a cnut, but a democratically elected cnut who is just a totem symbol of millions of cnuts with similar viewpoints. Maybe at least these people will actually wake up to the realities of the virus.

Not entirely democratically elected (he lost the popular vote by millions), he was elected through the current flawed system.

He’s lurched us pretty far right while stoking fashy flames the whole way. He’s trying to destroy whatever democracy currently exists in this country.

 

[golden_blunder]

Jesus I keep forgetting just how bad we have it here in the UK. Thank christ for the furlough scheme(Which mostly happened due to union pressure) and the thin layer of welfare state still left in Britain(Which the Tories have spent decades trying to get rid of)


What's the difference between denying the virus is real and thinking the best way to deal with the virus is to infect as many people as possible ? They both lead to the same outcome right ?

Well with Boris and his cronies they weren’t denying it, they just had a dangerous train of thought, but at least there was some logic and science applied. Trump flat out denied it which is worse as people would walk around thinking nothing to be concerned about

 

[DOTA]

Well with Boris and his cronies they weren’t denying it, they just had a dangerous train of thought, but at least there was some logic and science applied. Trump flat out denied it which is worse as people would walk around thinking nothing to be concerned about

To you, perhaps, but more not in terms of how many people lost their lives.

 

[golden_blunder]

That is all true. He's awful! But we do have a higher death rate in the UK.

If you look at it as a % yes
But US is a much bigger country with more people
If you look at it this way, Trumps admin has overseen 209k deaths so far from Covid, Boris and his lot are nearing 50k

 

[Raoul]

I would like to tell you about a Nigerian Prince needing your help.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out and how the Dems respond once back in power.

 

[golden_blunder]

To you, perhaps, but more not in terms of how many people lost their lives.

How is denying it totally NOTworse?
It’s 209k deaths v 48k deaths!

 

[Sweet Square]

I'm not fan of Johnson

Btw you could of stop here.

1) You selectively quoted him to make out he advocated for letting the virus wash over us. When actually in the same statement (which you again conveniently missed out) " But I think it would be better if we take all the measures that we can now to stop the peak of the disease being as difficult for the NHS as it might be, I think there are things that we may be able to do. ".

Yeah he's contradicting himself(Just like Trump and every conservative). You can't say -

But I think it would be better if we take all the measures that we can now to stop the peak of the disease being as difficult for the NHS as it might be, I think there are things that we may be able to do. ".

And also

that perhaps you could take it on the chin, take it all in one go and allow the disease, as it were, to move through the population"

It was utter horse shit, yet for some reason parts of the British public think Boris response was in anyway meaningfully or useful.

2) Everywhere had PPE shortages because unsurprisingly countries do not keep massive stockpiles of PPE which goes out of date.

Britain death rate is higher than a number of other countries and in 2016 the Tory government buried a report warning of future pandemics -

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/20...ncovered-pandemic-warnings-buried-government/

I'm not saying they handled that perfectly but the idea that that wasn't something that would have happened whoever was leader is rather absurd.

No one has said this.

 

[golden_blunder]

Well yes, the American government is so big that whatever Trump does there's always bound to still be some sensible people somewhere getting on with something useful. They also have a much more sparsely populated country on the whole.

However, unforgivable decisions like ordering the hospitals in the UK to discharge elderly patients without testing for Covid-19 back to care homes lie firmly with Cummings, Johnson and the other meat puppets. He also went round in the early days essentially taking the piss out of hospital precautions by shaking hands with Covid patients, and then there's his famous Superman of Capitalism speech where he said we aren't going to shut down the economy for a few old fatties dying. Before realising that most of his voters, his party and in fact he himself are old fatties.

For context, I’m not a Boris fan AT ALL. I hate them both for what they represent.

but, in my opinion, trumps actions have been much worse. From denying it, hogging vital equipment, bullying states over funding, equipment and keeping economies open to saying outrageous stuff about ingesting bleach etc.

boris is a complete fool, it’s obvious he’s incompetent and is being very badly advised but trump flat out orders people to do whatever just pops into his head!

 

[DOTA]

If you look at it as a % yes
But US is a much bigger country with more people
If you look at it this way, Trumps admin has overseen 209k deaths so far from Covid, Boris and his lot are nearing 50k

How is denying it totally NOTworse?
It’s 209k deaths v 48k deaths!

I'm not really sure how to react to this. Think I'll leave you to it.

 

[Fingeredmouse]

If you look at it as a % yes
But US is a much bigger country with more people
If you look at it this way, Trumps admin has overseen 209k deaths so far from Covid, Boris and his lot are nearing 50k

How is proportionality not the key point here precisely?

 

[golden_blunder]

I'm not really sure how to react to this. Think I'll leave you to it.

Ok let’s agree that they are both cnuts with a lot of blood on their hands

 

[golden_blunder]

How is proportionality not the key point here precisely?

And how is x4 times the amount of deaths not equally important stat?

 

[DOTA]

Ok let’s agree that they are both cnuts with a lot of blood on their hands

I'm definitely with you there.

 

[TwoSheds]

For context, I’m not a Boris fan AT ALL. I hate them both for what they represent.

but, in my opinion, trumps actions have been much worse. From denying it, hogging vital equipment, bullying states over funding, equipment and keeping economies open to saying outrageous stuff about ingesting bleach etc.

boris is a complete fool, it’s obvious he’s incompetent and is being very badly advised but trump flat out orders people to do whatever just pops into his head!

I think Boris deserves credit for changing his mind. I just wish he'd change his mind on all his other terrible ideas now. Like not having Dominic Cummings arrested. Or being Prime Minister.