SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[Brwned]

The headline of the slide presented here puts it pretty plainly: regardless of how much transmission is driven by schools or businesses, the government have prioritised them, so we need to look at whatever is driving the transmission outside of that. And that is hospitality. It doesn't mean public health officials don't see schools as a problem, it's just a problem they're not permitted to deal with so there's no point in digging into it.

I can't imagine that being the policy for much longer.

 

[acnumber9]

The headline of the slide presented here puts it pretty plainly: regardless of how much transmission is driven by schools or businesses, the government have prioritised them, so we need to look at whatever is driving the transmission outside of that. And that is hospitality. It doesn't mean public health officials don't see schools as a problem, it's just a problem they're not permitted to deal with so there's no point in digging into it.

I can't imagine that being the policy for much longer.

The problem isn’t just with that being what they’re doing. My biggest issue is with the demonising of individuals when it may not be them to blame. The Government is not telling people that they’re willing to take the numbers associated with keeping schools and certain workplaces open, they’re saying it’s YOUR fault for not wearing a mask, it’s YOUR fault you saw a friend indoors.

 

[Brwned]

The problem isn’t just with that being what they’re doing. My biggest issue is with the demonising of individuals when it may not be them to blame. The Government is not telling people that they’re willing to take the numbers associated with keeping schools and certain workplaces open, they’re saying it’s YOUR fault for not wearing a mask, it’s YOUR fault you saw a friend indoors.

Yeah, I don't agree. Those things aren't mutually exclusive. The schools are driving a lot of transmission, but seeing friends indoors does help to spread that transmission (incl. those originally sourced from schools), and wearing masks does make a difference, and because both of those actions are much, much simpler to take than closing schools, they should be a fundamental part of the strategy. And people who aren't following them should be reminded their actions have consequences.

 

[acnumber9]

Yeah, I don't agree. Those things aren't mutually exclusive. The schools are driving a lot of transmission, but seeing friends indoors does help to spread that transmission (incl. those originally sourced from schools), and wearing masks does make a difference, and because both of those actions are much, much simpler to take than closing schools, they should be a fundamental part of the strategy. And people who aren't following them should be reminded their actions have consequences.

Which is fine, but there’s no balance. Of course people should wear masks were needed. Most are though. You aren’t going to promote compliance by doing that for me. They’ve tried to turn people against each other from the start and it’s a disgrace that it’s working.

 

[golden_blunder]

Yeah, shit is getting real in professional football. They kept infections down while they were down in the rest of society but now it’s on the up and up generally we’re seeing more and more cases with footballers.

Which really just proves how impossible it is to let the virus rip through society while shielding certain cohorts. If we can’t keep wealthy, privileged footballers in a bubble how the hell do we do it for vulnerable members of the general public?

In fairness, footballers are sneaking out of their bubbles and mimicking society

 

[Pogue Mahone]

In fairness, footballers are sneaking out of their bubbles and mimicking society

I first read that as “mickeying society” and was thinking, well that’s one way of putting it!

 

[Brwned]

Which is fine, but there’s no balance. Of course people should wear masks were needed. Most are though. You aren’t going to promote compliance by doing that for me. They’ve tried to turn people against each other from the start and it’s a disgrace that it’s working.

The reality is that the restrictions placed on the UK have been less severe than countries in comparable situations and yet they've had lower levels of compliance. Part of that can be put down to poor communication but part of that is because people make personal choices not to comply.

From my perspective they've made very little of that given some of the studies out there about the majority of people skipping quarantine because they feel they're entitled to do frivolous things like going on holiday without having to face consequences that were made clear to them from the outset. Or that even though masks are requested in many fewer places than comparable countries, fewer people have worn them. There's lots of instances to that.

Not pointing them out at all would not be a balanced approach, and given they clearly haven't pointed it out all the time, deciding what the appropriate degree of balance is amounts to little more than quibbling. People need to be reminded of their responsibilities when they don't exercise them in key situations, that's a normal part of society.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

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Holy shit.

 

[Bebestation]

Damn imagine have your freshers, going clubbing, getting drunk and finding a partner, find that they've left you the next morning but left you with a virus.

I remember how University was - all people care about is getting with each other. Even if that doesnt happen there is sharing of drinks and passing around cigarettes or J's. Dangerous stuff.

 

[nimic]

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Holy shit.

What the feck. 1400 people infected at a University? Isn't that like... an insane amount?

 

[sammsky1]

Yeah, shit is getting real in professional football. They kept infections down while they were down in the rest of society but now it’s on the up and up generally we’re seeing more and more cases with footballers.
Which really just proves how impossible it is to let the virus rip through society while shielding certain cohorts. If we can’t keep wealthy, privileged footballers in a bubble how the hell do we do it for vulnerable members of the general public?

WAGs and players gotta spend and enjoy that money, and bring it home, infecting their partners.
I suspect its because footballers or their bubble members don't have the discipline to stay isolated.

 

[Pexbo]

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Holy shit.

Can you imagine what the parents of those students must be thinking right now? Not only have they got this virus to think about but the general mental health of their children who are forced to pay thousands to live on campus with none of of the social benefits or academic benefit of any sort of contact time with their lecturers. It’s a fecking farce to be honest.

 

[sammsky1]

Can you imagine what the parents of those students must be thinking right now? Not only have they got this virus to think about but the general mental health of their children who are forced to pay thousands to live on campus with none of of the social benefits or academic benefit of any sort of contact time with their lecturers. It’s a fecking farce to be honest.

Think of the economy stoo-pid!

I really don't understand why people in UK accept that their Government puts the economy before their long term health.
Compare with how many Asian are dealing with this and their younger people.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

What the feck. 1400 people infected at a University? Isn't that like... an insane amount?

It is. Although there’s apparently well over 2 million students at universities in the UK. So still just a drop in the ocean.

 

[Jericholyte2]

What the feck. 1400 people infected at a University? Isn't that like... an insane amount?

To be fair having worked there, it's a fecking massive University! Within a stone's throw of Northumbria too which has had around 800 positive cases. Northumbria staff had been told (last I heard) that face-to-face teaching was still expected.

 

[sammsky1]

Sharjah pitch size is a complete joke

 

[Smores]

Twitter is just absurd at the minute. They need to get back to doing regular Covid briefings because in that absence created you've got the usual charlatan journalists spreading nonsense and twitter is resembling the anti-vaxer movement.

 

[acnumber9]

The reality is that the restrictions placed on the UK have been less severe than countries in comparable situations and yet they've had lower levels of compliance. Part of that can be put down to poor communication but part of that is because people make personal choices not to comply.

From my perspective they've made very little of that given some of the studies out there about the majority of people skipping quarantine because they feel they're entitled to do frivolous things like going on holiday without having to face consequences that were made clear to them from the outset. Or that even though masks are requested in many fewer places than comparable countries, fewer people have worn them. There's lots of instances to that.

Not pointing them out at all would not be a balanced approach, and given they clearly haven't pointed it out all the time, deciding what the appropriate degree of balance is amounts to little more than quibbling. People need to be reminded of their responsibilities when they don't exercise them in key situations, that's a normal part of society.

We get a lot of the evidence of it because we’re in the UK but I’m not sure there’s anything other than anecdotal evidence that the UK have been much less compliant. Were there not protest marches about restrictions throughout Europe? That doesn’t suggest huge compliance to me.

Are British people really more self interested than the French for example? I don’t know. I think a lot points to the Government and they’re delighted that people are targeting each other. Police checks showed that 75% were complaint with the quarantine so any studies are prone to the bias of those conducting them.

A balanced approach is making people aware of all the issues. They’re steadfastly refusing to admit that keeping schools and universities open is a big problem. They’d rather focus on the individual because it absolves them of responsibility.

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

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[F-Red]

UK figures - 87 deaths, 13,864 cases.

 

[McGrathsipan]

UK figures - 87 deaths, 13,864 cases.

does that include the 1080 cases in their 6 county colony of Northern IReland?

 

[F-Red]

does that include the 1080 cases in their 6 county colony of Northern IReland?

No idea on the specifics, the data on https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/cases reads as follows for NI:

Date	England daily	Northern Ireland daily	Scotland daily	Wales daily	England total	Northern Ireland total	Scotland total	Wales total
08-10-2020	144	667	262	1	491,428	18,190	37,033	29,028
07-10-2020	4,618	997	1,025	164	491,284	17,523	36,771	29,027
06-10-2020	10,638	813	1,009	496	486,666	16,526	35,746	28,863
05-10-2020	13,130	760	1,067	631	476,028	15,713	34,737	28,367

Test averages are about 3 days, so wouldn't surprise me if we see the NI jump occur over the weekend.

 

[McGrathsipan]

2nd wave taking hold now.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Cases per 1000 in Norn Iron are off the charts. Some of the very worst in Europe. Apparently nobody knows why. So much for this alleged advantage of being an island.

 

[Giggzinho]

My brother tested positive for Covid 19 a few days after going to university and was showing symptoms. It has been just over a week and my parents are insisting on bringing him back tomorrow from Leicester to a house which contains me, my wife, my four month old and both my parents in their mid 50s. The scary thing is, they see nothing wrong with it and laughed it off.

Luckily, I have managed to get hold of my cousin who is a doctor who has been ridiculously busy throughout the whole pandemic and has worked in Covid 19 wards from the start, to speak with my brother and convince him to quarantine in his uni accommodation another 7 days before coming home.

The absolute state of it, I can’t believe I’ve got to sit down tonight and convince my parents its for the best.

 

[tombombadil]

My brother tested positive for Covid 19 a few days after going to university and was showing symptoms. It has been just over a week and my parents are insisting on bringing him back tomorrow from Leicester to a house which contains me, my wife, my four month old and both my parents in their mid 50s. The scary thing is, they see nothing wrong with it and laughed it off.

Luckily, I have managed to get hold of my cousin who is a doctor who has been ridiculously busy throughout the whole pandemic and has worked in Covid 19 wards from the start, to speak with my brother and convince him to quarantine in his uni accommodation another 7 days before coming home.

The absolute state of it, I can’t believe I’ve got to sit down tonight and convince my parents its for the best.

Wow, I'm sorry you have to suffer through this kind of ordeal.

 

[sullydnl]

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[tombombadil]

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Lockdown already. Come on. Before hospitals get swarmed.

 

[Stactix]

Do wonder what they'll do, when you factor in those numbers are a week-2weeks behind the virus. Deaths are 3-4weeks behind.

 

[Sarni]

4.8k cases today from 30k tests, highest since pandemic started. We were on 4k yesterday with 44k cases so it’s getting much worse. 52 people dead today, almost 200 in the last 3 days. I fear to think what the numbers will be like in 2-3 weeks. I was wondering all Summer how cases were not going up with virtually no restrictions, probably was the weather or the fact people had been traveling all over the place so hardly in large groups at the same time. We will certainly surpass 100 deaths a day and people on the Internet are laughing about ‘fake pandemic’. I want to vomit.

 

[Sarni]

Twitter is just absurd at the minute. They need to get back to doing regular Covid briefings because in that absence created you've got the usual charlatan journalists spreading nonsense and twitter is resembling the anti-vaxer movement.

Don’t tell me about it, half of my FB wall is conspiracy nonsense and people want to come out on the streets to protest against masks.

 

[christy87]

617 in Ireland today, 123 in Dublin, 107 in Cork, rumours of the schools getting a 3 week midterm, it's only a matter of time till we get a level 4 or 5 lockdown.

Few people in my area have got it, one of my old man's friends has it and didn't even know

 

[Wumminator]

To sum up schools by me at the moment:
The local one has just had every single member of the English department test positive. 40+ kids have got it.
Another school by me have all of Year 11 off after six confirmed cases, most of Year 9 off after three confirmed cases and half of Year 7 off after two.
There has been a big argument on the local Facebook group as it’s just been confirmed another school nearby has had a Year 10 girl confirmed as being positive on Snapchat but her parents sent her in.

 

[Hound Dog]

Does anyone have any idea about the overall % of people that had it any country? I know some studies have been done on Stockholm, New York, certain regions of Italy, but nothing nation-wide.

The reason why I am asking is that, with this number of recorded cases again, surely the herd immunity has at least a chance of being accomplished before the vaccine arrives?

Or if not, what is the way out? It has been seven fecking months and I feel no closer to a resolution than in March - this is still something that no one is talking about.

 

[Wumminator]

Does anyone have any idea about the overall % of people that had it any country? I know some studies have been done on Stockholm, New York, certain regions of Italy, but nothing nation-wide.

The reason why I am asking is that, with this number of recorded cases again, surely the herd immunity has at least a chance of being accomplished before the vaccine arrives?

Or if not, what is the way out? It has been seven fecking months and I feel no closer to a resolution than in March - this is still something that no one is talking about.

A few weeks ago before it kicked off again it was less than 8%.

 

[Hound Dog]

A few weeks ago before it kicked off again it was less than 8%.

Well feck.

 

[DavidDeSchmikes]

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[golden_blunder]

Cases per 1000 in Norn Iron are off the charts. Some of the very worst in Europe. Apparently nobody knows why. So much for this alleged advantage of being an island.

When you have well known local gps standing on a soapbox in the middle of Derry’s shopping district spouting Facebook type nonsense about flu being a bigger danger, you can understand why people don’t give a shit. Plus Derry people travel for work to Belfast, Dublin etc
Don’t know if you saw Dr Black on RTE tonight live from Derry? He said people are continuing with communions etc, hugging each other with no masks in sight. The buck stops with the people

 

[redshaw]

Does anyone have any idea about the overall % of people that had it any country? I know some studies have been done on Stockholm, New York, certain regions of Italy, but nothing nation-wide.

The reason why I am asking is that, with this number of recorded cases again, surely the herd immunity has at least a chance of being accomplished before the vaccine arrives?

Or if not, what is the way out? It has been seven fecking months and I feel no closer to a resolution than in March - this is still something that no one is talking about.

Spain was 5% and Madrid 11% in the summer. And that's a country with ~45k excess deaths with 48 mill population and 950-1000 dead per million, one of the highest in the world like the UK.

 

[golden_blunder]

To sum up schools by me at the moment:
The local one has just had every single member of the English department test positive. 40+ kids have got it.
Another school by me have all of Year 11 off after six confirmed cases, most of Year 9 off after three confirmed cases and half of Year 7 off after two.
There has been a big argument on the local Facebook group as it’s just been confirmed another school nearby has had a Year 10 girl confirmed as being positive on Snapchat but her parents sent her in.

Sent her in AFTER a positive result?