SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)

[Stack]

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Not a vaccine. That’s a treatment. Similar to what the orange maniac was injected with.

EDIT: Talking about the pause to the Eli Lily study. The J&J trial is a vaccine. Which makes two phase III vaccine trials paused so far. Not ideal but not necessarily a deal breaker.

cheers thanks for that.

on a side note down here its election time and a bunch of ads we have running use "the orange man" name as a tool to jokingly frighten people into voting. Its a shit ad to be fair but you get the idea.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

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cheers thanks for that.

on a side note down here its election time and a bunch of ads we have running use "the orange man" name as a tool to jokingly frighten people into voting. Its a shit ad to be fair but you get the idea.

Heh. I like it. For some reason I find a kiwi accent makes everything 20% funnier. Probably subconsciously thinking of Flight of the Concords and Taiki Waititi films (definitely spelled his name wrong).

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Serco doesn’t have anything to do with the app. Not blaming you, as it’s something I’ve read everywhere too.

Not the app, no, Serco test and trace consists of the teams of people (supposedly) tracing contacts, speaking to people and informing those who need to self isolate etc.

 

[F-Red]

Update on case loads for the last 7 days, NI over double than England. East Mids increases all concentrated around Nottingham:

 

[Scrumpet]

NI closing bars and restaurants for 4 weeks and schools for 1 week prior to half-term.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54533643

 

[TheGame]

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[Heardy]

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It’s such cnutish behaviour, but nobody’s going to hold them to account so they don’t give a feck.

 

[Brwned]

NI closing bars and restaurants for 4 weeks and schools for 1 week prior to half-term.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-54533643

It's notable how the "so everything's alright in London, eh?" conspiracy theories and general claims of unfairness haven't really transpired in NI's case. Probably helped by the Republic being a bit more stringent in similar scenarios anyway. It equally doesn't make sense to them why Derry went from ticking along rightly to an explosion of cases without any significant changes in behaviour, or a big uni to blame it on, but the majority just accept that's part of the random nature of virus transmission.

 

[horsechoker]

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Dock Liverpool and Everton points

 

[Smores]

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Do the police not have powers to arrest? It seems like peacefully protesting climate change gets you straight in the slammer so i struggle to understand police inaction here.

These things are going to happen so i can't even get angry at it anymore. Cities need to have plans in place to disperse them quickly.

 

[Sarni]

Over 6.5k cases, 115 people died yesterday. Real numbers are probably higher than that. Officially we are still at only 40% capacity currently in use but more and more doctors are telling media that there are basically no open beds anywhere anymore and it's just government lying.

In the meantime, half of our population is laughing at that saying we're scared of a mild flu.

 

[prateik]

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Wasn't someone asking how China got it under control while other countries were struggling? This should explain it.

 

[Hound Dog]

Do the police not have powers to arrest? It seems like peacefully protesting climate change gets you straight in the slammer so i struggle to understand police inaction here.

These things are going to happen so i can't even get angry at it anymore. Cities need to have plans in place to disperse them quickly.

Any realistic manner of dealing with a crowd of that size would be deemed unethical.

 

[F-Red]

Liverpool council now reporting that ICU capacity is at 90% for all the hospitals in their local authority. Wouldn't surprise me if some hospitals there are declaring critical incidents in the next couple of days, if they haven't done already.

 

[Skills]

Any chance they'll double half term to 2 weeks and that will be the 'national circuit breaker'?

 

[Snowjoe]

My friend is currently in Liverpool and said you’d never know there was a pandemic there

 

[Brwned]

Anyone else think sending students back to uni for primarily financial reasons rather than just covering uni costs directly was one of the governments worst decisions, maybe only behind the care home shambles?

Wasn't someone asking how China got it under control while other countries were struggling? This should explain it.

True

 

[McGrathsipan]

I am in my 40s, I have a house and a car and a job. I have 20 years experience which means I am valuable to the workforce. I have some money in the bank. Not millions but enough to survive on for a year if I lost my job.
There are many people like me, and we are the ones doing the right thing by working from home, limiting contacts with people to the bare minimum. Making sarcrafices.

These idiots that are out partying are all young people. They have feck all work experience. They have nothing behind them and most will have no money. They fail to realise that their actions could be so bad for the economy in the medium term. If the economy tanks even more because Covid overwhelms UK then what? What are all these young people going to do for a job and a mortgage. fecking idiots. They are destroying their own futures and the state will have to look after them with handouts. Brainless.

 

[McGrathsipan]

Update on case loads for the last 7 days, NI over double than England. East Mids increases all concentrated around Nottingham:

Those numbers are bad. well into the 2nd wave.

 

[Fluctuation0161]

Anyone else think sending students back to uni for primarily financial reasons rather than just covering uni costs directly was one of the governments worst decisions, maybe only behind the care home shambles?

Yep. A Uni halls covid petri dish has been created.

Major mistake to add to the ridiculously long list of mistakes our government have made.

This is why we have both the highest number of deaths in Europe and the biggest shrinkage of our economy. They have absolutely ballsed it up.

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

My friend is currently in Liverpool and said you’d never know there was a pandemic there

That’s good.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Anyone else think sending students back to uni for primarily financial reasons rather than just covering uni costs directly was one of the governments worst decisions, maybe only behind the care home shambles?

What do you think university students would have been doing if the universities were closed? I’d say there’s a lot of student aged people in that Liverpool street scene. You could certainly argue that an upside of the university halls drama is that they’re not sharing households with older, more vulnerable relative.

 

[Sparky Rhiwabon]

Yep. A Uni halls covid petri dish has been created.

Major mistake to add to the ridiculously long list of mistakes our government have made.

This is why we have both the highest number of deaths in Europe and the biggest shrinkage of our economy. They have absolutely ballsed it up.

Students have still been made to pay landlords or the unis for their accommodation so they’re hardly going to go and live in the accommodation and just stay in the house - plus most of the learning is online now.

 

[RobinLFC]

What do you think university students would have been doing if the universities were closed? I’d say there’s a lot of student aged people in that Liverpool street scene. You could certainly argue that an upside of the university halls drama is that they’re not sharing households with older, more vulnerable relative.

Don't they go home over the weekends? In Belgium most of them do, so it eventually gets to the more vulnerable population anyway. Keeping them in school/unis for the sake of it because "we wouldn't know where they'd hang out otherwise" (what they're basically doing here) is a risky strategy imo, especially if you don't have the numbers to back up that there aren't many infections in school environments.

 

[Brwned]

What do you think university students would have been doing if the universities were closed? I’d say there’s a lot of student aged people in that Liverpool street scene. You could certainly argue that an upside of the university halls drama is that they’re not sharing households with older, more vulnerable relative.

I think creating a bubble where low risk people can choose to risk infection while partying with other low risk people is a nice idea in some aspects (with obvious moral questions), but it's more theory than reality. I went to Liverpool uni and a significant chunk were relatively local and living at home or going home frequently, and it's a very small city so stepping out of that bubble into the cafes, pubs, shops and all the rest with the same older, more vulnerable people is just a short walk away for most students. Hence the hospitalisations now.

There are a lot more students partying now than there were when the vast majority went back to family homes over the summer. That might only have ever worked temporarily and they might have revolted at the idea of no uni anyway, but this doesn't seem like a better alternative at this stage.

 

[Pogue Mahone]

Don't they go home over the weekends? In Belgium most of them do, so it eventually gets to the more vulnerable population anyway. Keeping them in school/unis for the sake of it because "we wouldn't know where they'd hang out otherwise" (what they're basically doing here) is a risky strategy imo, especially if you don't have the numbers to back up that there aren't many infections in school environments.

I think creating a bubble where low risk people can choose to risk infection while partying with other low risk people is a nice idea in some aspects (with obvious moral questions), but it's more theory than reality. I went to Liverpool uni and a significant chunk were relatively local and living at home or going home frequently, and it's a very small city so stepping out of that bubble into the cafes, pubs, shops and all the rest with the same older, more vulnerable people is just a short walk away for most students. Hence the hospitalisations now.

There are a lot more students partying now than there were when the vast majority went back to family homes over the summer. That might only have ever worked temporarily and they might have revolted at the idea of no uni anyway, but this doesn't seem like a better alternative at this stage.

Aye, fair points. I’m sure I’m wrong here. Was just being devil’s advocate.

 

[Tiber]

New lockdown in NI. Apparently they came up with it in the middle of the night.

I wouldn't mind new restrictions if I didn't know that horrible lot in Belfast are making it up as they go along. They don't even seem to have a vague hint of a long term plan

 

[Pogue Mahone]

New lockdown in NI. Apparently they came up with it in the middle of the night.

I wouldn't mind new restrictions if I didn't know that horrible lot in Belfast are making it up as they go along. They don't even seem to have a vague hint of a long term plan

Which is funny because the Sinners down south are fecking experts at criticising other people’s plans.

 

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[sammsky1]

I am in my 40s, I have a house and a car and a job. I have 20 years experience which means I am valuable to the workforce. I have some money in the bank. Not millions but enough to survive on for a year if I lost my job.
There are many people like me, and we are the ones doing the right thing by working from home, limiting contacts with people to the bare minimum. Making sarcrafices.

These idiots that are out partying are all young people. They have feck all work experience. They have nothing behind them and most will have no money. They fail to realise that their actions could be so bad for the economy in the medium term. If the economy tanks even more because Covid overwhelms UK then what? What are all these young people going to do for a job and a mortgage. fecking idiots. They are destroying their own futures and the state will have to look after them with handouts. Brainless.

so what does one do about 'them'?

 

[SalfordRed18]

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Why would he use an emoji?

 

[horsechoker]

Why would he use an emoji?

to demonstrate his shock/horror

 

[Snowjoe]

That’s good.

Good if you like your hospitals full to the brim with dying people

 

[Penna]

We got back to Italy last week, but our town in NW England has been included in the Liverpool City measures along with the whole of the local authority of Sefton. This despite the fact that we're 15 miles away, it's a small seaside town and has absolutely none of the issues they're struggling with in Liverpool.

Unless decisions are made more locally in the actual hotspots, these measures will never work. If they stopped people moving out of their city or town boundary, except for work, medical reasons or other personal emergencies, things could be controlled. This is where Italy did well as we were prevented from travelling at all, and that restriction was only very gradually relaxed - first we could leave our village and travel within our province, then we could travel within our region, and only at a late stage in the first wave was free travel permitted.

Of course, this requires policing which also hasn't worked in the UK. When the police in England were breaking up large groups in the summer who were sitting in the park, they should have been giving a fixed penalty ticket to everyone in those groups. The police don't give you a free pass here, it's a fine straight away.

 

[McGrathsipan]

so what does one do about 'them'?

feck them. Arseholes the lot of them.

 

[SiRed]

I still look back to the Cummings incident as a major reason why a lot of people aren't taking lockdowns etc as seriously as they perhaps would have if instead of excusing Cummings publicly, he was made an example of by our PM.
Up until that point, personally i had respect for the guidelines and for Boris. Now i dont really care. I will still do as i am told as i am compliant but i can completely understand why people will crowd a beach, or go to a house party and so on. There is no consequence for this behavior.

I wonder what cost it would be for everyone to be tagged, like a convict. Curfews can then be monitored within the set parameters.

 

[Jippy]

Don't they go home over the weekends? In Belgium most of them do, so it eventually gets to the more vulnerable population anyway. Keeping them in school/unis for the sake of it because "we wouldn't know where they'd hang out otherwise" (what they're basically doing here) is a risky strategy imo, especially if you don't have the numbers to back up that there aren't many infections in school environments.

No cos the trains are so fecking expensive. I'm off to Hull in a couple of weeks and the train (from London) was £70 despite booking in advance.

 

[Tiber]

Which is funny because the Sinners down south are fecking experts at criticising other people’s plans.

Being in opposition during a pandemic must be the easiest job in the world.

 

[Stack]

Jesus that’s a tragic story. Hard to understand why they can’t let them in. Even if they’re unsure about quarantine at sea, they could let them anchor up offshore, with enough food for a couple of weeks to be 110% sure they won’t bring the virus with them.

A hint of good news on this, The PM has asked for an urgent review of this and has taken on the case herself. Fingers crossed the family get the right outcome.

 

[finneh]

I still look back to the Cummings incident as a major reason why a lot of people aren't taking lockdowns etc as seriously as they perhaps would have if instead of excusing Cummings publicly, he was made an example of by our PM.
Up until that point, personally i had respect for the guidelines and for Boris. Now i dont really care. I will still do as i am told as i am compliant but i can completely understand why people will crowd a beach, or go to a house party and so on. There is no consequence for this behavior.

I wonder what cost it would be for everyone to be tagged, like a convict. Curfews can then be monitored within the set parameters.

It wouldn't explain the same spikes being seen in Holland, Czech Republic, France, Belgium, Spain & Ireland etc though?

Spoiler: Seven Day Average Cases

It's possibly good news to see the "curve" in terms of deaths across the same countries being so much shallower than in Spring though (excl. Czech Republic):

Spoiler: New Casualties