acnumber9
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Misleading headline. They make it seem like they’re still allowed to do it outdoors. They aren’t.
Misleading headline. They make it seem like they’re still allowed to do it outdoors. They aren’t.
I like fecking outdoors anyway
It’s impressive testing millions in such a short space of time. Puts the west to shameI’m only half joking. Desperate times call for desperate measures. We could be out of this shit by now if we’d been able to copy their approach.
Still a bit fishy they have almost no new cases if you ask me.It really is incredible how they’ve completely crushed this thing. Shows what can be achieved when you’re not hindered by pesky rules around data protection and human rights.
It’s not really. They took extreme measures to get an extreme outcome. Completely closed their borders and did a longer, more extreme and rigorously enforced lockdown than any European country. Testing on a monstrous scale, with citizens forced to give up their data for tracking/tracing. They even separated anyone who tested positive from their families the instant results came back positive (which they had to wait for at the centre they were tested in). Put them in massive temporary field hospitals until they recovered. Just a bunch of really radical measures that would be political suicide (and mass infringement of human rights) anywhere else but they got the job done. You kind of have to admire them.Still a bit fishy they have almost no new cases if you ask me.
It sure paid off. All getting very very messy in Europe again. Another shutdown won't come though (at least here in Austria). Would be economical suicide.It’s not really. They took extreme measures to get an extreme outcome. Completely closed their borders and did a longer, more extreme and rigorously enforced lockdown than any European country. Testing on a monstrous scale, with citizens forced to give up their data for tracking/tracing. They even separated anyone who tested positive from their families the instant results came back positive (which they had to wait for at the centre they were tested in). Put them in massive temporary field hospitals until they recovered. Just a bunch of really radical measures that would be political suicide (and mass infringement of human rights) anywhere else but they got the job done. You kind of have to admire them.
Victoria traced one Melbourne case (a truck driver) and found he had driven to a town outside Melbourne. They identified 400 contacts who had to isolate, tested 6000+ people in the one town and kept the outbreak to 3 cases.China recently mass tested a whole area becasue of two cases. They don't mess around hoping cases will drop or level out.
Where does he live?My best friend lives in China. I asked him how the Covid situation was yesterday. His reply was “What Covid situation? It lasted one month.”
I think it is certainly a large part of it.Ah. Ok. Makes sense. So red states on the increase might be driven more by geography than politics?
NZ has eradicated again and Australia only had 3 new cases yesterday (barring overseas arrivals in quarantine). Very hard to eradicate in a country the size of Australia and I'd be surprised if we managed it through to a vaccine. It would be great of course.Even Australia/NZ being islands and Korea with extensive testing do not see zero.
and a state with capability. even in a capitalist economy, they have not hollowed out the state like almost all countries have done since the 80s. millions of state employees and large companies. the rapid setting-up of hospitals, the rapid increase in mask production (even now the vast majority of masks sold worldwide are made there, 9 months after they couldn't supply a single city), the mobilisation of doctors and nurses into Wuhan, and the way they have implemented quarantine after the initial chaos (food delivery+monitoring).It really is incredible how they’ve completely crushed this thing. Shows what can be achieved when you’re not hindered by pesky rules around data protection and human rights.
Have to agree with you: although there are obvious reasons to why we have those ...”obstacles” in place that we do, not having them has shown to have its advantages in addressing an issue like this.I’m only half joking. Desperate times call for desperate measures. We could be out of this shit by now if we’d been able to copy their approach.
I find this really interesting, not least because my best friend now lives in India and I find myself far more drawn to domestic stories from there than ever before. Interesting to consider different “capabilities” even in different countries with a relatively similar lack of certain rights (according to you!)in india we have in reality zero data or human rights protection but no comparable success.
berba doesn't like the current ruling party in India.I find this really interesting, not least because my best friend now lives in India and I find myself far more drawn to domestic stories from there than ever before. Interesting to consider different “capabilities” even in different countries with a relatively similar lack of certain rights (according to you!)
Category | China | India | US |
Assoc., Assembly and Civil Society | 1.5 | 7 | 10 |
Movement | 3.3 | 6.7 | 10 |
Expression and Information | 5.2 | 7.9 | 9.2 |
i should clarify that on paper we have all the human rights you'd expect from a liberal democracy and a few years ago the supreme court affirmed the right to privacy 9-0.I find this really interesting, not least because my best friend now lives in India and I find myself far more drawn to domestic stories from there than ever before. Interesting to consider different “capabilities” even in different countries with a relatively similar lack of certain rights (according to you!)
How is Boris going to see his mistresses?
Some people would have gotten minted out of it for a system that is absolute shit. I really need to get into the government contracts business.Tweet
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Just feck a Tory MP and riches will followSome people would have gotten minted out of it for a system that is absolute shit. I really need to get into the government contracts business.
The idiots who dismiss the virus often focus on the low numbers of deaths. It’s not the deaths that’s the issue, it’s the negative knock-on effects of paralyzing the health care systems with the sick. Why wouldn’t someone willingly give up some of their freedoms for a period of time to potentially ensure the slowdown of the spread of the virus until a true vaccine is created? How can idiots not see that as anything but good?I’m only half joking. Desperate times call for desperate measures. We could be out of this shit by now if we’d been able to copy their approach.
Wow. That’s an American military-industrial complex level of boondoggle right there.Some people would have gotten minted out of it for a system that is absolute shit. I really need to get into the government contracts business.
Because they want to feel special and enlightened. They don’t care about other people because they consider them dumb and stupid, they know the ‘truth’ about the virus and feel they are so much above everybody else.The idiots who dismiss the virus often focus on the low numbers of deaths. It’s not the deaths that’s the issue, it’s the negative knock-on effects of paralyzing the health care systems with the sick. Why wouldn’t someone willingly give up some of their freedoms for a period of time to potentially ensure the slowdown of the spread of the virus until a true vaccine is created? How can idiots not see that as anything but good?
That’s very Q of them.Because they want to feel special and enlightened. They don’t care about other people because they consider them dumb and stupid, they know the ‘truth’ about the virus and feel they are so much above everybody else.
Did we shut down the country for Flu last year? No, we just go on with < - Keep seeing that amongst a few people I knowBecause they want to feel special and enlightened. They don’t care about other people because they consider them dumb and stupid, they know the ‘truth’ about the virus and feel they are so much above everybody else.
Yeah it’s all over the place here too. Fortunately they seem to be prevalent on the internet mostly, where comments on FB and such are full of idiots. On the streets nowadays it appears that basically everyone is wearing a mask and obeying the rules. Not many really believe 100 people are dying daily of covid but as long as they wear masks and keep distance their beliefs are irrelevant.Did we shut down the country for Flu last year? No, we just go on with < - Keep seeing that amongst a few people I know
The traction this snippet of lunacy has is something else. When people can’t get adequate emergent medical care for things like the flu, I wonder to what those that use this will pivot.Did we shut down the country for Flu last year? No, we just go on with < - Keep seeing that amongst a few people I know
Glad I'm not the only one this irritated.I know there’s bigger issues at hand but mayors of cities shouldn’t be saying things like “more safer.”
Shit, sorry to hear that mate. Fingers crossed for them allMy sister has covid. Just got her results back. She's proper rough. My best mate and his wife also both positive but not quite as rough.
Top news!Got my test results. No covid for me.
Good news. Two strong possibles by late November now. You convinced me of your 'almost certain' a while ago though Wibs.First vaccine to seek regulatory approval?
https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/2003415/pfizer-to-seek-vaccine-authorisation-in-november
We so need this sort of good news. Fingers crossed we get one or more vaccines through phase 3 trials soon. The world needs this to boost moral as much as anything.Good news. Two strong possibles by late November now. You convinced me of your 'almost certain' a while ago though Wibs.
A bit behind Trump's optimistic election timeline but I'm optimistic of a fairly swift approval process, by vaccine standards that is.First vaccine to seek regulatory approval?
https://www.bangkokpost.com/world/2003415/pfizer-to-seek-vaccine-authorisation-in-november
Unfortunately, I think some people actually need to experience it to understand it. Problem is, they'll probably blame the government even then. And I'm not talking UK specific here, it's the same all over Europe.The traction this snippet of lunacy has is something else. When people can’t get adequate emergent medical care for things like the flu, I wonder to what those that use this will pivot.
At least your central government has the semblance of a policy...I cant understand the UK's approach to these new tiers. The Mayor of Manchester is negotiating with the government over new restrictions. Why? You're the central government ffs. Just set the rules and tell them to follow. It's not a time for negotiations and party politics. The tier system is the right idea but the implementation is creating so much confusion.
One factor is that the public health experts have stated that additional local rules will be needed in the worst hit cities, towns and villages to be really effective, and also that local public health officials are the best placed to design them and respond to new needs. So they need local governments on board, in some way.I cant understand the UK's approach to these new tiers. The Mayor of Manchester is negotiating with the government over new restrictions. Why? You're the central government ffs. Just set the rules and tell them to follow. It's not a time for negotiations and party politics. The tier system is the right idea but the implementation is creating so much confusion.
Steroids had probably already done a number on his heart.https://www.mirror.co.uk/news/world-news/influencer-who-thought-coronavirus-does-22861718
Well if it can kill a guy that’s in that kinda shape...
Exactly.Steroids had probably already done a number on his heart.
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Steroids had probably already done a number on his heart.
It’s tongue in cheek fellas. Dude was a twat in his daily life.Exactly.
Not saying extremely cardio healthy people can't get really sick with Covid but it is very rare and there is no need to fearmonger.