Would you sack or keep Ole? (Poll reopened)

[Andycoleno9]

Levy can be given credit for how cheap he gets deals done. Look at how good Son, Toby have been for Poch and Spurs.

Yep, I am wrong because here is a list of his signings.

14/15 Yedlin, Dier, Vorm, Stambouli, Alli, Fazio, Davies - 1/6
15/16 Son, Toby, N'Jie, Wimmer, Trippier - 2/4
16/17 Sissoko, Janssen, Wanyama, N'Koudou - 1/4
17/18 Sanchez, Moura, Aurier, Llorente, Foyth - 1/5
19/20 Sessgnon, Clarke, Lo Celso, Ndomele - 0/4

So clearly you can see not even 50% of his signings have come good.

Bloody hell. So you are saying:
That Dier and Davies are bad signings? Sanchez? Llorente? Aurier?
You write off already Lo celso and Ndobele?

But Maguire and AWB are success? VDB after 90 minutes of play is success? Cavani and Telles without playing a minute are success?
James??! Ighalo??!!

Not to mention that Poch was buying players from B list (players for who big clubs are not interested).

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

If this was back when we sacked LVG or Mourinho when the squad needed a rebuild I'd understand the call for Pochettino. But as it stands, the rebuild is almost over and by next season we should have a squad that can compete and start winning trophies. So we don't need a manager like Pochettino who is known for rebuilding a team when we are already at the final stage of the rebuild and we don't need a manager who doesn't seem to know how to win trophies when we are approaching the stage where we should start winning them.

 

[VP89]

If this was back when we sacked LVG or Mourinho and the squad needed a rebuild I'd understand the call for Pochettino. But as it stands, the rebuild is almost over and by next season we should have a squad that can compete and start winning trophies. So we don't need a manager like Pochettino who is known for rebuilding a team when we are already at the final stage of the rebuild and we don't need a manager who doesn't seem to know how to win trophies when we are approaching the stage where we should start winning them.

Poch isn't just bucketed as a "rebuild" manager. He's simply known for getting the best out of the squad he's given - whether it's Southampton or Tottenham. You can forgive him the final season implosion all things considered - it's not abnormal for big managers to implode toward the end of their time (Klopp, Pep, Conte, etc.)

 

[romufc]

Where are you plucking these figures from? Are your ratings on which players were good transfers? If so you've just made up ratings.

14/15: 3/6 minimum (Vorm, Alli, Davies were great deals for the fee they were bought for).
15/16 he actually got 3/4 (Son, Toby, Tripper were all terrific additions to his squad for a few years),
16/17: is 2/4 Sissoko + Wanyama were successful
17/18: 2/4. Lucas + Sanchez were good buys.
19/20: 2/3 (or 3/4 if you count Lo Celso loan). Lo Celso is a loan and a good player + Ndombele is a good signing. Aurier isn't exactly a flop either, this is very bizzare ratings, the guy is still getting games under Jose.

Besides if Poch joins, he's not going to be making this many signings a year at United, as I said it was a complete reset with Tottenham.

If you want to judge Pochettino vs Ole in transfers I think it's better to 1) look at where the % of money is going towards hits. E.g. Foyth, N'Jie, Wimmer are smaller deals which shouldn't count as equally Sanchez, Ndombel etc.

You've also completely ignored how Ole has wasted the entire Cardiff transfer budget and still haven't clarified your point about "United making bad signings regardless of manager" before then oddly criticizing Poch signings.

Obviously signings are based on opinion ? I would not take in my team Vorm, Alli, Davies, Aurier.

I haven't ignored anything, I agree Manchester United as a football club tend to make bad signings, if you have a manager that makes bad signings, it could mean more trouble.

So Mata, Fellaini were good signings because they got games under different managers? I guess Lindelof is a very good signing because he gets games under Ole?

Is that what a good signing is based on? If the new manager plays him?

 

[romufc]

Bloody hell. So you are saying:
That Dier and Davies are bad signings? Sanchez? Llorente? Aurier?
You write off already Lo celso and Ndobele?

But Maguire and AWB are success? VDB after 90 minutes of play is success? Cavani and Telles without playing a minute are success?
James??! Ighalo??!!

Not to mention that Poch was buying players from B list (players for who big clubs are not interested).

Dier is a terrible player.

I would rather have AWB and Maguire over Dier and Aurier.

Again, I would rather have Bruno, VDB over Ndombole and Lo Celso.

That's sound, we must be signing from C list then? No club was interested in Telles, Cavani and VDB. Regulion said no to us for Spurs so hey.

 

[romufc]

Again your ignoring reality to get your point across and accusing me of doing what your doing.

So I said Spurs cannot attract the same players we do because they are Spurs and have a wage structure that permits them. You gave me Liverpool as an example, a club would you not say has the same status as United? Hence why even not winning a title for decades they could still attract players the likes of Fernando Torres to their club and take players like Robbie Keane and the Ox away from other premier league teams?

Yes they did take a gamble of giving players like Harry Kane big wages but that’s a lot cheaper than spending £60m on DiMaria to then give him £150k a week in wages. Harry Kane cost them nothing. I’m sure their finance guy was like yes we take this risk.

Spurs got Bale back a guy who was happy to go China 12 months before and unwanted by zero big clubs in Europe. So yes they can get Gareth Bale. Another reason his there besides no other big club wanting him, is because of previous affiliation.

So if Liverpool can win the league with similar wage constraints why can’t United win the league with bigger budgets and wage pools? Your original point was about being ‘backed’ now your telling me mangers with constraints can win titles. Therefore what’s Ole’s excuse now?

It’s all a merry go round of what suits your argument at the end of the day. Point proven.

Firstly, Spurs have attracted players Regulion, Ndombole over us. Ndombele was £60m with over 150k in wages though, so what are you on about?

No, you said a club cannot win under constraints not me... I said a manager needs to be backed which is what happened to Klopp. Are you that naive to not realised he was backed ?

So again I ask, why is Poch allowed to be 20 points from the champions and he is a better manager than Ole, you havent given me anything...

Just a spoilt fan that wants change for the sake of it.

Never have I said Ole is the best coach or tactician, just I do not think Poch is any better.

 

[Amadaeus]

I can bet that Ole will not get into the champions league final, consistently make top four and develop an attractive brand of football here at United in under five years, despite having a squad that should challenge/win the league and challenge/win the champions league. Pochettino spending was closer to relegation teams, while United spending is closer to European champions team. There is a big contrast and it just shows that anyone that doesn’t think Pochettino is a ‘much better’ manager than Ole hasn’t got a clue about football. An exceptional manager develops and turn the players he has into world class talent or top professional. That is what Pochettino did. A bad manager, just buy world class players and rely on their individual brilliance to get result. That is what Ole is doing. I remember a thread that said that Bruno has had 50% contributions to our team overall output. Bruno is basically the main reason that Ole hasn’t been sacked yet. The board and Woodward should get a lot of credit for backing Ole, as without their backing and their backing of previous managers we will not be in the champions league right now.

 

[romufc]

Poch isn't just bucketed as a "rebuild" manager. He's simply known for getting the best out of the squad he's given - whether it's Southampton or Tottenham. You can forgive him the final season implosion all things considered - it's not abnormal for big managers to implode toward the end of their time (Klopp, Pep, Conte, etc.)

Spurs finished 6th in 13/14, with the same squad he got 5th in 14/15. So you saying he will take United to 2nd in his first season?

The difference is Poch Imploded for 18 months not just last season..

So when has Klopp or Pep imploded for 18 months?

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

Poch isn't just bucketed as a "rebuild" manager. He's simply known for getting the best out of the squad he's given - whether it's Southampton or Tottenham. You can forgive him the final season implosion all things considered - it's not abnormal for big managers to implode toward the end of their time (Klopp, Pep, Conte, etc.)

In the end the major concern is his lack of trophies and it's not just about not winning them but how he has bottled it at every chance he got. I don't know if it's true but I've heard people say he said something about not liking trophies be because they only build egos. Aren't all these red flags especially when we've reached the stage of our rebuild where we should start looking at winning trophies?

 

[FatherWolff]

Poch isn't just bucketed as a "rebuild" manager. He's simply known for getting the best out of the squad he's given - whether it's Southampton or Tottenham. You can forgive him the final season implosion all things considered - it's not abnormal for big managers to implode toward the end of their time (Klopp, Pep, Conte, etc.)

I don’t think he needs forgiving for any implosion.. But what was said was he is very repetitive as a coach. It was said to be draining on the squad and they lost their motivation and energy. I’m not to sure that is the type of coaching our players respond to.

 

[VP89]

Obviously signings are based on opinion ? I would not take in my team Vorm, Alli, Davies, Aurier.

I haven't ignored anything, I agree Manchester United as a football club tend to make bad signings, if you have a manager that makes bad signings, it could mean more trouble.

Poch's record isn't one that suggests he wastes a lot of money. His "flops" are small buys, and he has some big wins in his time with Spurs. Not sure why this is still a debate.
A good signing is not just "who would I take in my first XI". He is building a squad, obviously he wants quality players and strength in depth on top. He bought Alli for peanuts, Vorm was a free agent, Davies came at a good fee and cost 1/3rd of the price of Luke Shaw. Madness to say these are bad purchases to be frank. You're also forgetting completely that Spurs are limited in who they can attract. It's not like they can compete on the level we do when bringing talent to the club, so the pool he has to work with is smaller.

So Mata, Fellaini were good signings because they got games under different managers? I guess Lindelof is a very good signing because he gets games under Ole?

Is that what a good signing is based on? If the new manager plays him?

I don't get why this needs to be explained, but I'd say a good signing is one who delivers on the expectation (or exceeds it) and justifies the fee.
So when you for example count Vorm as a bad purchase (who was a free agent, and only meant to be a back-up keeper), I am at odds. Because a lot of his transfers are squad signings, not signings for the first team.

Spurs finished 6th in 13/14, with the same squad he got 5th in 14/15. So you saying he will take United to 2nd in his first season?

The difference is Poch Imploded for 18 months not just last season..

So when has Klopp or Pep imploded for 18 months?

Poch did not implode for 18 months - his form was fading but the CL run was not the sign of an implosion there. It was clear his side was struggling in league form and he really needed the summer to be backed to refresh the squad. Klopp also imploded over the course of a season, and his implosion was worse - he took Dortmund from near top to fighting relegation in around Christmas time. He recovered to bring them further up the table but that's a chance Poch never got. He was sacked after his poor form.

And no, I'm not saying he will take us to 2nd in his first season. I never said this. I'm saying he is a manager who is generally capable of getting squads to overachieve. After a season of bedding in, he took Spurs to their highest league finish since 1990. He took Southampton to their highest ever league position. He has a knack of massively improving players beyond anyone's expectation, whether it's Ward Prowse when he got that England call-up or Schneiderlin which got him a big money move. It's his trademark as a manager in his brief career (so far). Can he do it at a big club? I don't know. Will he make good transfers? I don't know. But I do think he's earned enough goodwill to be entrusted with the opportunity, whether with us or some other club.

My positivity toward him is actually based on how well he manages squads he's given despite spending less than the teams above him. I mean he stayed relevant in 2nd or 3rd when he spent a fraction compared to City/United/even Chelsea. I'm not claiming he's some transfer guru but I certainly attest this idea that he's "bad" at transfers. Especially if the counter is that Ole is somehow good at transfers, given his terrible record.

 

[VP89]

I don’t think he needs forgiving for any implosion.. But what was said was he is very repetitive as a coach. It was said to be draining on the squad and they lost their motivation and energy. I’m not to sure that is the type of coaching our players respond to.

His first XI needed legs desperately, I think this is the problem. His style demands a lot from his players and yes they were losing energy. Every team needs this bounce, and in his case I am not saying he is blame free. But anyone walking into that Spurs team needs brand new full backs and ideally another CM. And that's exactly what Jose got before making them look good again.

 

[mu4c_20le]

And no, I'm not saying he will take us to 2nd in his first season. I never said this. I'm saying he is a manager who is generally capable of getting squads to overachieve. After a season of bedding in, he took Spurs to their highest league finish since 1990. He took Southampton to their highest ever league position. He has a knack of massively improving players beyond anyone's expectation, whether it's Ward Prowse when he got that England call-up or Schneiderlin which got him a big money move.

He has also never managed a top club. That is something most of his supporters tend to overlook, or outright ignore. The pressures and expectations of managing Southampton and Spurs is very different to a United or a Chelsea.

 

[VP89]

He has also never managed a top club. That is something most of his supporters tend to overlook, or outright ignore. The pressures and expectations of managing Southampton and Spurs is very different to a United or a Chelsea.

No one is ignoring it. But as you can see there is a trend in the modern game that coaches who have done a very good job at smaller clubs are now getting gigs at Juventus, Bayern Munich, Arsenal, Chelsea etc. In our case, we had no problem giving Ole a go, so I don't see why we should hesitate with Poch if Ole moves on.

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

He has also never managed a top club. That is something most of his supporters tend to overlook, or outright ignore. The pressures and expectations of managing Southampton and Spurs is very different to a United or a Chelsea.

You could say this for literally any top coach at a point in their career

 

[mu4c_20le]

You could say this for literally any top coach at a point in their career

I'm not using it as a stick to beat him with, just pointing it out when people talk about his (over) achievements with a lower club. Although I would also argue that his implosion may not all be down to lack of refreshing the squad over the summer, and that perhaps he wasn't comfortable with the new expectations.

 

[VP89]

I'm not using it as a stick to beat him with, just pointing it out when people talk about his (over) achievements with a lower club. Although I would also argue that his implosion may not all be down to lack of refreshing the squad over the summer, and that perhaps he wasn't comfortable with the new expectations.

It's a fair point but I think if this was the case then he would have struggled with consistently finishing in the top 4 the way he did. There reached a time for a couple years before he was sacked where people just expected Spurs to be above Arsenal as the top 4 team, and he continued to achieve.

 

[romufc]

Poch's record isn't one that suggests he wastes a lot of money. His "flops" are small buys, and he has some big wins in his time with Spurs. Not sure why this is still a debate.
A good signing is not just "who would I take in my first XI". He is building a squad, obviously he wants quality players and strength in depth on top. He bought Alli for peanuts, Vorm was a free agent, Davies came at a good fee and cost 1/3rd of the price of Luke Shaw. Madness to say these are bad purchases to be frank. You're also forgetting completely that Spurs are limited in who they can attract. It's not like they can compete on the level we do when bringing talent to the club, so the pool he has to work with is smaller.

I don't get why this needs to be explained, but I'd say a good signing is one who delivers on the expectation (or exceeds it) and justifies the fee.
So when you for example count Vorm as a bad purchase (who was a free agent, and only meant to be a back-up keeper), I am at odds. Because a lot of his transfers are squad signings, not signings for the first team.

Poch did not implode for 18 months - his form was fading but the CL run was not the sign of an implosion there. He really needed the summer to be backed to refresh the squad. Klopp also imploded over the course of a season, and his implosion was worse - he took Dortmund from near top to fighting relegation in around Christmas time.

And no, I'm not saying he will take us to 2nd in his first season. I never said this. I'm saying he is a manager who is generally capable of getting squads to overachieve. After a season of bedding in, he took Spurs to their highest league finish since 1990. He took Southampton to their highest ever league position. He has a knack of massively improving players beyond anyone's expectation, whether it's Ward Prowse when he got that England call-up or Schneiderlin which got him a big money move.

My positivity toward him is actually based on how well he manages squads he's given despite spending less than the teams above him. I'm not claiming he's some transfer guru but I certainly attest this idea that he's "bad" at transfers. Especially if the counter is that Ole is somehow good at transfers, given his terrible record.

Firstly, Poch does not make decision on the fee. The club does that. I did not say he signs bad cheap players, I said his signings are bad.
Now, if he came to United and signed 10 average squad players, I will not be happy.

Spurs can attract 80% of the same players as we can btw. If you look at the signings they have made over the years in Lamela, Eriksen, Dembele, Nbombele, Moura shows they are capable of attracting very good players.

So, Ndombele and Lo Celso justify a £60m fee? The fee has nothing to do with the manager, he wants specific players, it is up to the board to get players at reasonable fees.

The cup run, DI Matteo got Chelsea to win the CL, does that make him a good manager? and again I will give you some figures.

18/19 - 13 PL losses for Spurs under Poch.. which is 1/3 of the games.
19/20 - Full blown impolsion.

Wait, I thought you said he doesnt need time to build? Poch has 2 summer windows before he started playing well. If he can over achieve with the same squad, are you saying Poch will win us the league with this squad and get a cup? because Ole got us to 3 semis and 3rd and he is under achieving so surely an over achieving coach should get us 1 cup and the league title?

Oh wait Poch has never won anything.

Oh yes, Oles signings are terrible. 2nd best defensive record and we have one of the best creators in the league, I would take that for "terrible" record Ole.

He has a knack of improving players above their potential? Like who? So Ole hasnt improved anyone right?

 

[Jeffthered]

I can bet that Ole will not get into the champions league final, consistently make top four and develop an attractive brand of football here at United in under five years, despite having a squad that should challenge/win the league and challenge/win the champions league. Pochettino spending was closer to relegation teams, while United spending is closer to European champions team. There is a big contrast and it just shows that anyone that doesn’t think Pochettino is a ‘much better’ manager than Ole hasn’t got a clue about football. An exceptional manager develops and turn the players he has into world class talent or top professional. That is what Pochettino did. A bad manager, just buy world class players and rely on their individual brilliance to get result. That is what Ole is doing. I remember a thread that said that Bruno has had 50% contributions to our team overall output. Bruno is basically the main reason that Ole hasn’t been sacked yet. The board and Woodward should get a lot of credit for backing Ole, as without their backing and their backing of previous managers we will not be in the champions league right now.

Very good post. 100% spot on.

 

[RUCK4444]

I can bet that Ole will not get into the champions league final, consistently make top four and develop an attractive brand of football here at United in under five years, despite having a squad that should challenge/win the league and challenge/win the champions league. Pochettino spending was closer to relegation teams, while United spending is closer to European champions team. There is a big contrast and it just shows that anyone that doesn’t think Pochettino is a ‘much better’ manager than Ole hasn’t got a clue about football. An exceptional manager develops and turn the players he has into world class talent or top professional. That is what Pochettino did. A bad manager, just buy world class players and rely on their individual brilliance to get result. That is what Ole is doing. I remember a thread that said that Bruno has had 50% contributions to our team overall output. Bruno is basically the main reason that Ole hasn’t been sacked yet. The board and Woodward should get a lot of credit for backing Ole, as without their backing and their backing of previous managers we will not be in the champions league right now.

Very good post. 100% spot on.

So accurate and so true that said manager is sat at home unemployed, sipping his whiskey waiting for Christmas...

 

[FootyGirl88]

I can bet that Ole will not get into the champions league final, consistently make top four and develop an attractive brand of football here at United in under five years, despite having a squad that should challenge/win the league and challenge/win the champions league. Pochettino spending was closer to relegation teams, while United spending is closer to European champions team. There is a big contrast and it just shows that anyone that doesn’t think Pochettino is a ‘much better’ manager than Ole hasn’t got a clue about football. An exceptional manager develops and turn the players he has into world class talent or top professional. That is what Pochettino did. A bad manager, just buy world class players and rely on their individual brilliance to get result. That is what Ole is doing. I remember a thread that said that Bruno has had 50% contributions to our team overall output. Bruno is basically the main reason that Ole hasn’t been sacked yet. The board and Woodward should get a lot of credit for backing Ole, as without their backing and their backing of previous managers we will not be in the champions league right now.

Good post

 

[el3mel]

I don’t think he needs forgiving for any implosion.. But what was said was he is very repetitive as a coach. It was said to be draining on the squad and they lost their motivation and energy. I’m not to sure that is the type of coaching our players respond to.

To be fair if the players lost motivation after 5 years under the same coach this is hardly a bad sign. 5 years is pretty long time in modern football now. I'll be happy to have a manager that produces 3 consistent years in a row never mind 5 !

 

[90 + 5min]

Why are people still talking about Pochettino? Didn't he sign for PSG? I mean Real Madrid? No, I mean Barcelona. No, I mean Bayern Munchen? No, I mean Juventus? Where did he go, this legendary RedCafe manager?

Joking aside, we got Solskajer. Stand by your manager.

 

[VP89]

Firstly, Poch does not make decision on the fee. The club does that. I did not say he signs bad cheap players, I said his signings are bad.
Now, if he came to United and signed 10 average squad players, I will not be happy.

Spurs can attract 80% of the same players as we can btw. If you look at the signings they have made over the years in Lamela, Eriksen, Dembele, Nbombele, Moura shows they are capable of attracting very good players.

I will agree that the club makes the decision on the fee, I have no problems there.
But I don't get how Vorm on a free transfer as a squad back up is "bad", or Delli Ali on peanuts is bad. He's building a squad, not just a first XI. At worst these are very good players for squad depth. You constantly ignoring this is a bit odd, I mean Delli Ali was one of the better midfielders in the Premier League not long ago, especially under Poch. He's still young and able to make a strong career of himself, and you think he wasn't a good signing? When he walked into Spurs he was a good signing in any club's books, ours included. Ferguson actually said himself that he would be a terrific signing, so unless there is a blinkered biased against Poch surely you must concede that Delli Ali is not a "bad" signing.

Also when Poch came in they weren't a top 4 club. His first step was to bring them into top 4 as an established team, and only then can they be in a position to attract 80% of the players. This brings me to my root point, which is he put Spurs on the map to be able to attract Moura, Ndombele, Aurier etc.

So, Ndombele and Lo Celso justify a £60m fee? The fee has nothing to do with the manager, he wants specific players, it is up to the board to get players at reasonable fees.

I'd would have expected Ndombele to be a very good player for Tottenham for around 5 years and is a very good midfielder. £60m is toppy but far from terrible business. We'll have to wait and see on this one.

The cup run, DI Matteo got Chelsea to win the CL, does that make him a good manager? and again I will give you some figures.

18/19 - 13 PL losses for Spurs under Poch.. which is 1/3 of the games.
19/20 - Full blown impolsion.

Where did Di Matteo get in the league? Please, don't compare domestic consistency of Di Mateo in the league to Poch - even in his worser seasons Poch racks up 71 points. He gets 77, 80+ point tallies before that when he over-achieved with the relative money he spent vs Chelsea/City/United etc. in net spend.

He finished 4th in 18/19 season, although he was waning massively, that is not an implosion. You have basically just added a whole season to make your 18 month concept fit, when it's clearly not the case. What's worse is you pointed to a season where he picked up more points than Ole did last season (71 vs 66). He also picked up more wins (23 wins vs 18). If 71 points was an implosion for Poch I shudder to think what 66 points is for Ole.

Besides, I said implosions are not uncommon to top level managers, and I've given Klopp as an example. You seem to be hell bent on trying to force fit a fantasy "18 month" implosion conspiracy though.

Wait, I thought you said he doesnt need time to build? Poch has 2 summer windows before he started playing well. If he can over achieve with the same squad, are you saying Poch will win us the league with this squad and get a cup? because Ole got us to 3 semis and 3rd and he is under achieving so surely an over achieving coach should get us 1 cup and the league title?

I have never said this. Poch if he came here will 100% need time, as would any manager. In terms of personnel few changes are needed, but any system will need time, that's a given.
I do think that Poch is capable of better than 66 points after 18 months in charge however. I'd love Ole to be success, but if he ever moved on we will probably find out where Poch lies after 1.5 seasons in win %.

Oh wait Poch has never won anything.

Bit random, I didn't say he did.

Oh yes, Oles signings are terrible. 2nd best defensive record and we have one of the best creators in the league, I would take that for "terrible" record Ole.

He has a knack of improving players above their potential? Like who? So Ole hasnt improved anyone right?

You're getting very defensive here. Ole threw away the entire transfer budget at Cardiff and misjudged the ability of Maguire. And Ole hasn't "improved" Bruno - he was doing this shit before he came to United. You can argue AWB is a worse player vs his outings for Palace, you can argue Lindelof isn't as good as he was under Jose, and that Shaw is worse too.
I can also agree that Rashford and Martial look very good under Ole, and he did a good job with the revival of Matic too. But to try and claim he betters players to the level Poch does is quite frankly, laughable.

 

[Andycoleno9]

So accurate and so true that said manager is sat at home unemployed, sipping his whiskey waiting for Christmas...

Well, that manager will get his next job based on his accomplishments. Our got his job based on clear nepotism. He refused Monaco and Benfica this summer. Ole will beg Molde to get him back

 

[devilish]

So Solskjaer should be given benefit of doubt for finishing the remaining 18 games with 3W,3D,12L because that job of saving teams from relegation is different from managing top sides like United and Liverpool. I would like to agree there. And there wouldn't be any argument had his job ended with relegating Cardiff.

But the next season his side was one of the better teams in the Championship (Lifted the Championship trophy the season prior) was heavily refurbished (17 new players signed) under Solskjaer's supervision. Expectations were to get them immediately back into the Premier League (and not saving them from being relegated to the League one), which one would think should dovetail perfectly with "Solskjaer's philosophy". And yet his returns were a dismal 2W,2D,3L until they parted company because of "difference in philosophy". It's not as if he didn't get the opportunity of a different job profile than what he was hired on. He was a failure on both counts. And that is why no semi-decent Football club looks at him as their managerial candidate.


Heck even Toronto FC took a pass, for Christ's sake.

He came 3rd so he deserved another shot. What I disagree is the constant moaning regarding signings. Ole ins need to understand that united cannot afford a 200m bill per year

 

[jamesjimmybyrondean]

So accurate and so true that said manager is sat at home unemployed, sipping his whiskey waiting for Christmas...

Why are people still talking about Pochettino? Didn't he sign for PSG? I mean Real Madrid? No, I mean Barcelona. No, I mean Bayern Munchen? No, I mean Juventus? Where did he go, this legendary RedCafe manager?

Joking aside, we got Solskajer. Stand by your manager.

Do people even know hes rejected Madrid before?

https://www.eurosport.com/football/...-real-madrid-offer_sto7261719/story-amp.shtml

 

[Amadaeus]

Do people even know hes rejected Madrid before?

https://www.eurosport.com/football/...-real-madrid-offer_sto7261719/story-amp.shtml

Yep people forgot about this and it is similar to how nagelsman also rejected Real Madrid. There are two top class managers available that will take United to the next level, but we are sticking with Ole despite question still being asked about what our players are doing in the training field. Anyway, I just hope we won’t miss out on these two top managers and keep faith in Ole, only for him to be sacked later in the season when only a manager like Allegri or a past United legends become our only options.

 

[Mainoldo]

To be fair if the players lost motivation after 5 years under the same coach this is hardly a bad sign. 5 years is pretty long time in modern football now. I'll be happy to have a manager that produces 3 consistent years in a row never mind 5 !

Not at United. We believe coaches should last 25 years or it’s a travesty.

 

[Tom Cato]

I can bet that Ole will not get into the champions league final, consistently make top four and develop an attractive brand of football here at United in under five years, despite having a squad that should challenge/win the league and challenge/win the champions league. Pochettino spending was closer to relegation teams, while United spending is closer to European champions team. There is a big contrast and it just shows that anyone that doesn’t think Pochettino is a ‘much better’ manager than Ole hasn’t got a clue about football. An exceptional manager develops and turn the players he has into world class talent or top professional. That is what Pochettino did. A bad manager, just buy world class players and rely on their individual brilliance to get result. That is what Ole is doing. I remember a thread that said that Bruno has had 50% contributions to our team overall output. Bruno is basically the main reason that Ole hasn’t been sacked yet. The board and Woodward should get a lot of credit for backing Ole, as without their backing and their backing of previous managers we will not be in the champions league right now.

Harry Kany is the sole reason Pochettino had any success with Tottenham, and he was already in the club.

Tottenham scores .8 goals less per game and drop from 1.9 to 1.6 points per game when he's not playing. That being said, most teams do rely on particular players to be able to function, but in Tottenhams case, Harry Kane is the difference between top4 and mid-table.

 

[FatherWolff]

Not at United. We believe coaches should last 25 years or it’s a travesty.

Thought It was the opposite. You either get Pereira, Jones and Lingard playing beautiful football the first season. Fine display with patterns of play, or we got a shit coach. Who will beg going back to Molde..

On a serious note. I like Poch. But we have a manager who is doing just fine. I’m even starting to believe we can win the league this year. If we can pick up the momentum we had second half of the season. Teams are there for the taking.Left and right. But somehow Ole didn’t deserve this shot?

 

[Bebestation]

Poch isn't just bucketed as a "rebuild" manager. He's simply known for getting the best out of the squad he's given - whether it's Southampton or Tottenham. You can forgive him the final season implosion all things considered - it's not abnormal for big managers to implode toward the end of their time (Klopp, Pep, Conte, etc.)

The thing that holds me back on Poch (a little) is the fact that even if he is or is not a rebuild manager - the team he ends up building is Strictly towards one type of football.

Strikers like Kane, Llorente, Jenssen, Osvaldo, Rickie lambert, Adebayor.

Midfielders like Wanyama, Ndombele, Schneiderlin, Sissoko, Dier, wakaso, Livermore.

It's a toned down version of Mourinho type of football in my eyes. I am not surprised that Jose is doing well (performance not results) at Spurs with Pochettino type players.

I wouldn't be exactly hurt by missing out on that because I want to see United build away from Mourinho type of football towards some of the technical aspects of players we have.

For example, Whilst some say it was good and some say it was bad that he left - I would have guessed that Pochettino would have kept a striker like Lukaku and built a team towards getting goals through that aspect of a player rather than trying to get goals from combining player like Greenwood, Rashford and Martial in a set up. Whether these players are good enough is not what I'm questioning, it's more about Pochettino preferring one type of football and building on that rather than necessarily trying to adapt his tactics to the players he got.

That UCL final when he bought a semi injured Kane back rather than playing Lucas upfront- the player who got a hat trick vs Ajax and got them to the final; showed me the difference of tactics that he has when he cant choose his prferential style of player in the position he wants vs the decisions he makes when his preferential player is always available.

 

[RUCK4444]

Well, that manager will get his next job based on his accomplishments. Our got his job based on clear nepotism. He refused Monaco and Benfica this summer. Ole will beg Molde to get him back

Oh yeah how did I forget the 2nd place trophy!!
Also known as the Bottled-it-against-Leicester-Trophy.

He’s won less than Ole.

 

[Flexdegea]

I can bet that Ole will not get into the champions league final, consistently make top four and develop an attractive brand of football here at United in under five years, despite having a squad that should challenge/win the league and challenge/win the champions league. Pochettino spending was closer to relegation teams, while United spending is closer to European champions team. There is a big contrast and it just shows that anyone that doesn’t think Pochettino is a ‘much better’ manager than Ole hasn’t got a clue about football. An exceptional manager develops and turn the players he has into world class talent or top professional. That is what Pochettino did. A bad manager, just buy world class players and rely on their individual brilliance to get result. That is what Ole is doing. I remember a thread that said that Bruno has had 50% contributions to our team overall output. Bruno is basically the main reason that Ole hasn’t been sacked yet. The board and Woodward should get a lot of credit for backing Ole, as without their backing and their backing of previous managers we will not be in the champions league right now.

I say one thing, you are consistent with absolutely terrible posts, always involving Poch

 

[RUCK4444]

Do people even know hes rejected Madrid before?

https://www.eurosport.com/football/...-real-madrid-offer_sto7261719/story-amp.shtml

That’s a random story that talks about an approach whilst he was still Spurs manager, nobodies given him a sniff since he’s been readily available.

Not saying he’s a poor manager but he’s not the guaranteed answer to our problems that some preach him to be here on a daily basis.

 

[Mainoldo]

That’s a random story that talks about an approach whilst he was still Spurs manager, nobodies given him a sniff since he’s been readily available.

Not saying he’s a poor manager but he’s not the guaranteed answer to our problems that some preach him to be here on a daily basis.

No ones given him a sniff because he’s coming here and has pretty much turned down everyone’s approach. From Bayern to Juve.

 

[Flexdegea]

Also must add its bizarre this thread is still going strong, but even more bizarre that the debate is still centred around a ex spurs manager who was sacked from them for melting down, who has no connection to our club at all.


If any other fan from another club was reading this thread they would find the whole obsession with a manager who won nothing, very strange indeed. Especially when it used as the same stick to beat the current manager with.

 

[UNITED ACADEMY]

I can bet that Ole will not get into the champions league final, consistently make top four and develop an attractive brand of football here at United in under five years, despite having a squad that should challenge/win the league and challenge/win the champions league. Pochettino spending was closer to relegation teams, while United spending is closer to European champions team. There is a big contrast and it just shows that anyone that doesn’t think Pochettino is a ‘much better’ manager than Ole hasn’t got a clue about football. An exceptional manager develops and turn the players he has into world class talent or top professional. That is what Pochettino did. A bad manager, just buy world class players and rely on their individual brilliance to get result. That is what Ole is doing. I remember a thread that said that Bruno has had 50% contributions to our team overall output. Bruno is basically the main reason that Ole hasn’t been sacked yet. The board and Woodward should get a lot of credit for backing Ole, as without their backing and their backing of previous managers we will not be in the champions league right now.

Poch spent lot of money last season, and the season when he spent the most actually his worst season, underperforming and got sacked. You can talk about the budget or the spending but majority the money he spent was on the players that failed or underperformed at Spurs. Ironically the ones who were performing under him was the ones he didn’t spend or spent low fee.

Ole also develop players. Rashford & Martial transformed into the level they never achieved before. Greenwood is developing very well so far while other players like Fred, Scott and etc are improving.

 

[lysglimt]

Wait, wait, wait....yes, i must reply again to you. Don't want but i must.
You don't want Poch because he has not won anything (which is his flaw, i admit) but you defend failed Cardiff manager who only won Norway league and it was 10 years ago.
I understand that you want Ole to stay and i understand that you don't rate Poch but do you really think that Poch is not level above Ole quality wise? Really?

Those are 2 separates issues - one question is - is OGS good enough ? And he for now deserves a chance to prove it - imo
The second question is - if OGS isn't good enough, why do we for a manager like Pochettino whose reputation is a lot better than his actual achievments ? Why not then go for someone who wins something and actually signs the right players ?

 

[Bobcat]

So Levy gets credit for cheap deals but Woodward gets his house stalked because he wants to negotiate on deals like Fernandez.

If United refused to get Grealish for £20 like Spurs did offering him £12m (might have been £7m) this place would have been rioting.

Levy >>>>>>>>>>>> Driftwood. Thats just a fact

Levy might be a tight arse, but hes made a lot of good deals for Spurs over the years, where as we always pay a premium and then some for our players.