2020 US Elections | Biden certified as President | Dems control Congress

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Booked Wednesday off. Told my girlfriend it’s so I can make the most of the last day before lockdown with her and the baby.

Really I’m going to stay up all night watching election coverage.
Look at Ady bragging about having a girlfriend.
 

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People appear confident Biden will win but I can't help feeling it was the same with Clinton last time.
True that.
Outside the US at least, many thought he was done, after the "Grab 'em by their ****" thing came out. The results were shocking.
 

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So what bets are people making? I'm thinking play it safe and just whack a big'n on Biden. I don't know the race well enough to be clever about it.
I just put a straight bet on Biden to win @ 1.54 - the value seems solid

This is actually the first bet I've placed in a couple of years

I hope I haven't jinxed it!
 

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If AZ and TX go the way of CO, the GOP are proper screwed. :drool: Your early data all looks good. For me, it's almost a sure thing. By my very very conservative estimate, D are 48k up right now. 200-300K should vote on the day. He'd need something like 300k and to carry it 60:40 to have any chance. Your state is a bit complicated because of how party registration works. If 82.2% of R voted Trump, he'd have over 1.24M votes alone meaning he carried 100% of the on the day vote. If that's correct, NO independent voters (or D voted) voted for him.) Which would be an impossibility, because to carry on the day voting like that, he'd need them.
Ya I think Biden likely ends up winning by 2 to 2.5 points, essentially similar to Sinema in 2018.
 

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Biden to win in the 3 midwest states (PA by 1 or 2) and AZ (also very narrow), one of NC and Florida (probably NC, I have faith in Florida being a magical place), and coming close but short in Texas, Georgia, Iowa and Ohio. That's the baseline position I guess? Realclearpolitics is now paywalled so I'm more clueless than usual.
The predictions of Florida and Georgia are basically because of what happened in 2018. Polling was off in one direction in 3 very narrow races featuring both men and women, white and black, moderate and progressive Dems.

For the senate, Maine, Arizona, Colorado, and Alabama look certain (+3-1 = 2). They need 1 of the 2 Georgias or Iowa too? Polling doesn't look great for any of them, I guess Ossoff is the best bet? Montana polling looks as good as any of them really. I doubt Dems are going to win the Georgia 2nd round in the other one.

e - forgot the NC race. that looks very easy.
 

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Very interesting read. Doesn't seem to be much confidence from the Trump side (expected) Trump is concerned about future investigations and federal probes. No declare victory early strategy discussed with allies.

Some real shades of Hitler in the bunker there.
 

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Biden to win in the 3 midwest states (PA by 1 or 2) and AZ (also very narrow), one of NC and Florida (probably NC, I have faith in Florida being a magical place), and coming close but short in Texas, Georgia, Iowa and Ohio. That's the baseline position I guess? Realclearpolitics is now paywalled so I'm more clueless than usual.
The predictions of Florida and Georgia are basically because of what happened in 2018. Polling was off in one direction in 3 very narrow races featuring both men and women, white and black, moderate and progressive Dems.

For the senate, Maine, Arizona, Colorado, and Alabama look certain (+3-1 = 2). They need 1 of the 2 Georgias or Iowa too? Polling doesn't look great for any of them, I guess Ossoff is the best bet? Montana polling looks as good as any of them really. I doubt Dems are going to win the Georgia 2nd round in the other one.

e - forgot the NC race. that looks very easy.
If Cal Cunningham loses, he should be shot into space. He had the easiest ride to a Senate seat and couldn't wait until after the election to have an affair.
 

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Not the same election. The polls tightened in key states, Trump had a lot of momentum behind him, a lot of undecided voters, Clinton wasn't popular and voters weren't enthusiastic. It's a different ball game.
+And Trump's antics in many ways and the danger he represents were an unknown other than the outrageous soundbites - many didn't pay attention.

Having said that. Im not confident still but Im encouraged by those of you who are. Ive seriously put off some major live decisions, purchases etc bc if that feck wit. I dont care that it would be the first small step of many - if he loses Im celebrating big time - especially bc its been such a dire year otherwise.
 

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Just turned on CNN. Is Trumps makeup guy working with Santorum now?

Also, Icky Ricky is still a piece of shit.
 

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It’s a miscalculation though I think on their part. They’ve chosen to jump aboard the Trump train, BUT in the process allowed Trump to humiliate them. His supporters will remember that. Haley was the smart one, worked for him to keep in with his fans, then checked out well before he loses (can’t be accused of rat leaving sinking ship). In my opinion, she’s absolutely the one of the three to watch. Cruz and Rubio are done at least for the next cycle.
Haley is a sly fox, she could very well get through the primaries. Cruz has the likeability of a gnat and Rubio has the charisma of an acorn. I don't think either have a snowball's chance in hell but then again it is a bunch of idiots voting in the GOP primaries.
 

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Haley is a sly fox, she could very well get through the primaries. Cruz has the likeability of a gnat and Rubio has the charisma of an acorn. I don't think either have a snowball's chance in hell but then again it is a bunch of idiots voting in the GOP primaries.
Haley being a future candidate is probably the worst kept secret of the RNC. They've been fawning over her since her early governor days. Her stint under Trump was solely designed to give her in an in road with his crowd. Hell they might even try to gain back all the female voters by putting up a Haley/Noem ticket - assuming the patriarchy allows for that.
 

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Haley being a future candidate is probably the worst kept secret of the RNC. They've been fawning over her since her early governor days. Her stint under Trump was solely designed to give her in an in road with his crowd. Hell they might even try to gain back all the female voters by putting up a Haley/Noem ticket - assuming the patriarchy allows for that.
The trouble with this is that Trump has severely damaged the Republican party to where it may need to fracture. You can't have the residue of Trumpism and the Tea Party controlling the power structure of the party, while having previously normal Republican candidates running for President. They are going to have to fight between the Lincoln Project crowd and the crazies at some point to figure out who owns the party.
 
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If Cal Cunningham loses, he should be shot into space. He had the easiest ride to a Senate seat and couldn't wait until after the election to have an affair.
I've got at least 20 anti-Cunningham mailers (about 10 for Biden and 10 for somebody called Josh Stein or something?). Anyway, the focus has been on crime, crime, crime, and a few on the Supreme Court and how you can't let Cunningham choose the next justice. Mystifying angle tbh.
 

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Thats the stand down, stand by message coming into play.
Yep. The "something must be done" bit is essentially a signal to the likes of the Proud Boys ... like maybe go find a 'Democrat' judge or two and do what you will.
 

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Haley being a future candidate is probably the worst kept secret of the RNC. They've been fawning over her since her early governor days. Her stint under Trump was solely designed to give her in an in road with his crowd. Hell they might even try to gain back all the female voters by putting up a Haley/Noem ticket - assuming the patriarchy allows for that.
She's done well. Essentially positioned herself as the only possible candidate to unite both sides. Can only see an old white man as the VP pick though.
 

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The trouble with this is that Trump has severely damaged the Republican party to where it may need to fracture. You can't have the residue of Trumpism and the Tea Party controlling the power structure of the party, while having previously normal Republican candidates running for President. They are going to have to fight between the Lincoln Project crowd and the crazies at some point to figure out who owns the party.
The Lincoln Project will back Haley if she was the candidate.
 

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The trouble with this is that Trump has severely damaged the Republican party to where it may need to fracture. You can't have the residue of Trumpism and the Tea Party controlling the power structure of the party, while having previously normal Republican candidates running for President. They are going to have to fight between the Lincoln Project crowd and the crazies at some point to figure out who owns the party.
Haley already works around that problematic dynamic by having the Trump support and the establishment Republican support. Lincoln Project will easily back her and many of Trump's ignorant "non-college educated white male" base will just vote for a woman who is "hot". She'll easily bridge that gap from Trumpism to next iteration of GOP psychosis.
 

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Been playing around with some data from a few different internal polls I got my hands on tonight. Here is my updated map
 

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The Lincoln Project will back Haley if she was the candidate.
Yes, because she is closer to them politically than Trump. But that doesn't mean she would have the broad support needed to win a nomination, especially given her gender.
 

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I call a landslide win for Biden, I previously predicted a 334 EC win for the Dems, but I think they could do better than this now. If either FL, NC and AZ go blue on the night then it is over for Trump. I am very excited!

Looking at the deep red states is really interesting..
Kansas for example Trump won by 21 points in 2016, the latest polls have him between 7-14 points up this time around
Oklahoma, he won by 37 points in 2016 now between 22 and 29 up.
North Dakota he won by 35 points in 2016 now between 14-19 up.

These are massive swings in the numbers and if that shift is seen in the swing states, Trump has no chance whatsoever in any of them!
 

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Haley already works around that problematic dynamic by having the Trump support and the establishment Republican support. Lincoln Project will easily back her and many of Trump's ignorant "non-college educated white male" base will just vote for a woman who is "hot". She'll easily bridge that gap from Trumpism to next iteration of GOP psychosis.
Is she even hot though? Is she politician hot? I don’t see it. She looks like Tulsi’s ugly older sister
 

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Yes, because she is closer to them politically than Trump. But that doesn't mean she would have the broad support needed to win a nomination, especially given her gender.
I don't see why she wouldn't. She's been building it for years. Who else do you feel has broader support?
 

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This week is going to be crazy. @Raoul can we get your assessment of miami dade. Can't believe it's been 4 years!
I wish I knew what’s going on down there. It looks like Trump had picked up a fair number of Cubans by fear mongering them about socialism. Biden looks to have likewise picked off a good number of white voters from Trump due to Covid and the fact that he doesn’t have Hillary’s likeability baggage, which would explain why he’s up slightly in most polls. If the latest Morning Consult and Quinnepiac numbers are even remotely accurate then he has a decent shot at winning tomorrow.
 
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