[Hugh Jass]

I feel Martial would be better in a Cruyff like system where such teams effectively pass the ball into the net like City do or did when they won their titles.

With our system he is not good enough as the out and out striker. I would play him on the left wing and have him cut in. Play Cavani up front and Rashford on the right. And then to give Rashford a rest use Greenwood on the right.

What Cavani is showing is that we really need a world class striker, for our system. Maybe greenwood could become our out and out striker?

I would be going all out for Haaland in the summer.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

Why?
Cavani is clearly a much better player. There is no logic whatsoever in playing Martial over Cavani. We are seeing the difference between a great player which Cavani was and he still has plenty of it in him and between Martial who is only a good player. Massive difference.

Clearly Martial deserves to be criticized for his overall play even if he didnt play cuz we are seeing the difference that a true world class number 9 brings.
Why are we supposed to beat around the bush and care for Martials feelings? He definitely deserves to be criticized tonight.

Martial didn’t play so how can we criticise him for his performance tonight?

Martial actually makes a lot of great runs that don’t get picked out and historically haven’t until Bruno came in. The issue is Bruno is about the only player we’ve had who tries to find those runs.

 

[HowYouDoin]

Martial can do more things that Cavani can’t.

Cavani has better experience and striking instincts than Martial but talent wise Martial is better.

Im not even gonna bother.
Cavani scored most goals out of any player not named Messi or Ronaldo last 20 yrs I believe.
And you are comparing him to Anthony Martial hahahaah

 

[Hugh Jass]

I get people are saying his movement is nothing like Cavani's but the guy didn't even play today. Give the criticism a break.

I think they are different players. And succeed in different systems. Cavani is more of a poacher i feel. Which is what we need. His two goals today demonstrate that.

I would play around a bit. Move Martial out left and have him play as an auxillary winger/striker.

 

[sammsky1]

Martial can do more things that Cavani can’t.

Cavani has better experience and striking instincts than Martial but talent wise Martial is better.

Martial isn’t close to Cavani impact even aged 32. Cavani is one of the greats of his generation. Still got it too.

 

[balaks]

Martial can do more things that Cavani can’t.

Cavani has better experience and striking instincts than Martial but talent wise Martial is better.

The delusion is strong here

 

[Volumiza]

Martial can do more things that Cavani can’t.

Cavani has better experience and striking instincts than Martial but talent wise Martial is better.

Cavani is showing us exactly what we need. Martial is nowhere near as effective in that central role. I would however like to see Martial out on the left of Cavani.

 

[Raven]

Why?
Cavani is clearly a much better player. There is no logic whatsoever in playing Martial over Cavani. We are seeing the difference between a great player which Cavani was and he still has plenty of it in him and between Martial who is only a good player. Massive difference.

Clearly Martial deserves to be criticized for his overall play even if he didnt play cuz we are seeing the difference that a true world class number 9 brings.
Why are we supposed to beat around the bush and care for Martials feelings? He definitely deserves to be criticized tonight.

Are you a child or something? I understand that you believe Cavani is the better player and that an entirely reasonable position to take but what's with the annoying tone to your posts?

It's not an unreasonable opinion to suggest Martial is the better player than Cavani, he has many more strings to his bow. I'm personally delighted that we have 2 very high quality strikers in our squad who bring entirely different strengths and can impact matches well by providing options.

My hope is that Martial works closely with Cavani and learns from him because there is no doubting that Cavani has world class movement, instincts and heading. I'm not sure why you feel the need to fling shit at one of our most important players.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

Im not even gonna bother.
Cavani scored most goals out of any player not named Messi or Ronaldo last 20 yrs I believe.
And you are comparing him to Anthony Martial hahahaah

So you think Cavani can do more than Martial? Martial is a worse header and his poaching isn’t there yet. But he is better passing, dribbling, shooting outside and winning set pieces/ penalties.

I am not talking about what a player has done historically of course Cavani has had a better career than Martial he’s 8/9 years his senior. But right now at 33 Cavani isn’t a better all round player. Poacher yes, player no and I believe this season will prove me right.

As I said before Martial can have a good season and Cavani can too the two aren’t mutually exclusive but one is a stop gap and the other potentially our future.

 

[RashyForPM]

Martial can do more things that Cavani can’t.

Cavani has better experience and striking instincts than Martial but talent wise Martial is better.

The delusion is strong here

Be like you guys arguing that C. Vinicius is better than Kane. Let me spell it out, Cavani has more striking talent and footballing talent in general in his left ballbag than Martial. He is a footballing legend while Martial, unless he does something drastic, will be forgotten about in 10 years and is currently a footballing also-ran. Let’s not be stupid here mate.

Cavani > Martial every day of the week.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

Martial isn’t close to Cavani impact even aged 32. Cavani is one of the greats of his generation. Still got it too.

So because Cavani has had one excellent game he’s had a greater impact than Martial... right.

We’re not talking about past achievement we’re looking at the here and now and the future of the club. I love that we have both but let’s call it what it is Cavani is a stop gap a great one but not our main man.

 

[BenitoSTARR]

Be like you guys arguing that C. Vinicius is better than Kane. Let me spell it out, Cavani has more striking talent and footballing talent in general in his left ballbag than Martial. He is a footballing legend while Martial, unless he does something drastic, will be forgotten about in 10 years and is currently a footballing also-ran. Let’s not be stupid here mate.

Cavani > Martial every day of the week.

No it wouldn’t.

Kane is at his peak and is clearly a world class striker arguably in the top 3 in world football.

Cavani cannot dribble, pass and win penalties and set pieces as well as Martial. Martial will create something out of nothing whereas Cavani can get on the end of that creativity better than Martial.

Different strengths but one player is on the ascendency.

Cavani has had a great career Martial still has 8 years to show off how good he is before you can start writing him off and saying Cavani has more talent in his ballbag what was Cavani doing at 19? Where was he at 24?

 

[sammsky1]

So because Cavani has had one excellent game he’s had a greater impact than Martial... right.

We’re not talking about past achievement we’re looking at the here and now and the future of the club. I love that we have both but let’s call it what it is Cavani is a stop gap a great one but not our main man.

Right now, in this season, cavani is several layers above Martial. That’s it. The end .

 

[KennyBurner]

Martial FC we need to keep the faith. These are dark times for us. Don't let the wums tears us apart!

 

[BenitoSTARR]

Right now, in this season, cavani is several layers above Martial. That’s it. The end .

Based on one 45 minute performance?

Give over.

 

[HowYouDoin]

Martial FC we need to keep the faith. These are dark times for us. Don't let the wums tears us apart!

Your pupils are really trying hard gotta give it to you haha.
Them comparing Martial to Cavani feels a bit like Lavar Ball saying he would beat MJ one on one haha.

 

[Nou_Camp99]

Martial wouldnt replace Cavani but Rashford should fear for his position. He was thrash today.

He did something Martial hasn't done yet though. Made a goal.

Martial has 0 goals and 0 assists in the league. The fact some people think he walks back into the team is delusional. Not much between him and Rashford for me but Rashy edges it on work rate. Sometimes you barely know Martial is playing and he leaves the pitch with his kit as clean as it was when he went on the pitch.

Ultimately they are both decent to good players. Neither is top drawer. Cavani scored 2 goals today that neither of them are good at scoring. Proper striker goals those.

 

[HowYouDoin]

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Based on some posts here Im just gonna assume that Martial is 6. Or at least top 10. Top 20. Top 30?
Surely he is top 30 in the last 5 years or so? Top 30 last 3 years? He gets compared to Edison Cavani here. Hes gotta be, right? Top 30 last 5 years?

 

[el3mel]

Shunt him to the left and let him compete with Rashford on this spot. He in no possible way should be our main number 9 ahead of Edinson fecking Cavani.

 

[RashyForPM]

No it wouldn’t.

Kane is at his peak and is clearly a world class striker arguably in the top 3 in world football.

Cavani cannot dribble, pass and win penalties and set pieces as well as Martial. Martial will create something out of nothing whereas Cavani can get on the end of that creativity better than Martial.

Different strengths but one player is on the ascendency.

Cavani has had a great career Martial still has 8 years to show off how good he is before you can start writing him off and saying Cavani has more talent in his ballbag what was Cavani doing at 19? Where was he at 24?

To answer your questions, Cavani had a good record at Palermo at 19 and was already an established world class striker at 24, with Lewandowski, Kane and Haaland-like records at Napoli. Already began scoring loads of goals for Uruguay too. Guess what, better than the current Martial.

Right now, in this season, cavani is several layers above Martial. That’s it. The end .

Anyway, Sammsky has summed it up well here. Cavani has been far better this season and showed that he’s the better striker, as he always has been. Enough of this attributes stuff like winning set-pieces, you sound like Scousers with their defensive striker nonsense in relation to Firmimo.

 

[SalfordRed18]

Martial will come good this season. Cavani also had a very good game today. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Martial is a better overall player than Cavani but today we didn’t need a better overall player we needed a poacher which Cavani is. Martial wouldn’t score those goals today but he’ll score a different kind to Cavani and that’s exactly the point.

United don’t want to be a crossing team all the time nor do they want to be an on the floor all the time kind of side so having a balance of CFs that offer different things is exactly what we want. They compliment the squad with their differences.

How many seasons have we heard this? The penny hasnt dropped. He's shown glimpses but he Edison is surely taking his spot.

 

[RashyForPM]

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Based on some posts here Im just gonna assume that Martial is 6. Or at least top 10. Top 20. Top 30?
Surely he is top 30 in the last 5 years or so? Top 30 last 3 years? He gets compared to Edison Cavani here. Hes gotta be, right? Top 30 last 5 years?

@BenitoSTARR Just have a look at these stats. Since he was 19, as you asked me, he’s had scoring records just below the two GOATS.

 

[UncleBob]

How many seasons have we heard this? The penny hasnt dropped. He's shown glimpses but he Edison is surely taking his spot.

He was mint last season, but if he can't build on it then we'll obviously have to get rid. Not sure why so many get their panties in a twist about it. It's a long season, so we'll see how things look around christmas

 

[BenitoSTARR]

@BenitoSTARR Just have a look at these stats. Since he was 19, as you asked me, he’s had scoring records just below the two GOATS.

At 19 he was not even getting double digits. Martial got 17 was it in a dysfunctional United side.

To answer your questions, Cavani had a good record at Palermo at 19 and was already an established world class striker at 24, with Lewandowski, Kane and Haaland-like records at Napoli. Already began scoring loads of goals for Uruguay too. Guess what, better than the current Martial.


Anyway, Sammsky has summed it up well here. Cavani has been far better this season and showed that he’s the better striker, as he always has been. Enough of this attributes stuff like winning set-pieces, you sound like Scousers with their defensive striker nonsense in relation to Firmimo.

Good record? Well by that standard Martials was outstanding at 19 and bear in mind Cavani has spent his entire career at a ST whereas Martial has been shunted about the place.

Judge Martial at the end of the season. Then if he’s not stepped up replace him.

So do you not think winning penalties is important given it’s the main source of our goals and we’ve won more than any other PL club?

How many seasons have we heard this? The penny hasnt dropped. He's shown glimpses but he Edison is surely taking his spot.

Time will tell.

 

[littleman]

Really unimpressed with the Martial/Pogba brigade. The two of them have massive astroturfing teams behind them portraying false narratives.

I'm pretty sure we all remember the thread claiming Martial is one of the hardworking players at the club. It's outright idiocy or simply paid work.

No one is saying Martial is a bad player. No one is saying he's not a good player. But there's a gap between where he is now and PL greatness. Amongst all the starting strikers we've had over the last 20 years, I don't know who I'd pick Martial over. I'd pick Louis Saha over Martial -- Saha was a quick, two-footed striker and was great whenever he could play.

That doesn't mean it's the end for Martial as a #9; he's 25. But it's time to put up or shut up. His supporters are continually moving the goalposts, and if he's not there yet at 28 we'll start hearing stories about Luca Toni.

 

[anurag]

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Based on some posts here Im just gonna assume that Martial is 6. Or at least top 10. Top 20. Top 30?
Surely he is top 30 in the last 5 years or so? Top 30 last 3 years? He gets compared to Edison Cavani here. Hes gotta be, right? Top 30 last 5 years?

It's weird to think that 3 of those 5 players have played for us, although for only about 4 and a half seasons out of 13 and only Ronaldo was with us at his peak.

 

[Andycoleno9]

Right now, in this season, cavani is several layers above Martial. That’s it. The end .

Hm, how it goes? Stand behind your player. Have a faith in him. Support your team. Etc.....

 

[Red00012]

Any truth in the rumour he has corona?

 

[KennyBurner]

Your pupils are really trying hard gotta give it to you haha.
Them comparing Martial to Cavani feels a bit like Lavar Ball saying he would beat MJ one on one haha.

Terrible comparison. In the grand scheme of things Martial is still more important for us than cavani. He can play in the middle or on the left. When he recovers he will move to the left and still produce magic for us. The great thing about all this is that we are getting better this season and we can finally compete for the Title which is all that matters.

He could also learn a thing or two from Cavani so nothing major to worry about.

 

[dpansheth]

Nothing wrong with people commenting on Martial thread when a top 15 striker in the world comes in and performs, Martial has been the striker from last 3-4 seasons so logically people will want to compare pros and cons with Cavani.
Edit: first time I saw what Cavani can do for us,

 

[Rocknrolla69er]

yeah that's exactly it pal, despite me clearly giving my reasons in the post.

I'm intrigued are the mods going to let this drivel set in on here, whereas as soon as somebody gives an opinion somebody doesn't like the racial cards used.

Pathetic wanker feck off with your wokeism

 

[Ali Dia]

Martial will come good this season. Cavani also had a very good game today. The two aren’t mutually exclusive.

Martial is a better overall player than Cavani but today we didn’t need a better overall player we needed a poacher which Cavani is. Martial wouldn’t score those goals today but he’ll score a different kind to Cavani and that’s exactly the point.

United don’t want to be a crossing team all the time nor do they want to be an on the floor all the time kind of side so having a balance of CFs that offer different things is exactly what we want. They compliment the squad with their differences.

We put those kind of balls into the box to nobody if Anto isn’t feeling it. Martial and Rashford both always want it to feet on the left in front of the defence. Play cute 1,2s to try and get through to goal. When it comes off it looks great but it’s often over complicating things and easy to denfend against in an already congested part of the pitch. Cavani was unbelievably efficient this afternoon. We need a lot more of that wherever it comes from.

 

[Rocknrolla69er]

Why are you lumping Martial in with Pogba, because he's black and French? Just pathetic genralisation.

yeah that's exactly it pal, despite me clearly giving my reasons in the post.

I'm intrigued are the mods going to let this drivel set in on here, whereas as soon as somebody gives an opinion somebody doesn't like the racial cards used.

Pathetic wanker feck off with your wokeism

 

[OL29]

Nothing wrong with people commenting on Martial thread when a top 15 striker in the world comes in and performs, Martial has been the striker from last 3-4 seasons so logically people will want to compare pros and cons with Cavani.
Edit: first time I saw what Cavani can do for us,

No he hasn’t

 

[BenitoSTARR]

We put those kind of balls into the box to nobody if Anto isn’t feeling it. Martial and Rashford both always want it to feet on the left in front of the defence. Play cute 1,2s to try and get through to goal. When it comes off it looks great but it’s often over complicating things and easy to denfend against in an already congested part of the pitch. Cavani was unbelievably efficient this afternoon. We need a lot more of that wherever it comes from.

We put them in as a result of Telles and Bruno now. And so it’s absolutely right to have a player like Cavani for exactly those kinds of deliveries. Equally when they aren’t working it’s absolutely necessary to have a player of Martial’s ilk.

Cavani was 10/10 for me today but that doesn’t mean Martial is a write off.

 

[Ali Dia]

We put them in as a result of Telles and Bruno now. And so it’s absolutely right to have a player like Cavani for exactly those kinds of deliveries. Equally when they aren’t working it’s absolutely necessary to have a player of Martial’s ilk.

Cavani was 10/10 for me today but that doesn’t mean Martial is a write off.

I agree. I really like martial and he showed he has fight as well as talent last year but he’s got some serious competition on this season now due to his poor start. He’ll be rotating with Rashford and Cavani instead of being the main no 9 if he doesn’t step it up big time

 

[dpansheth]

No he hasn’t

We have counted on Martial scoring majority of our goals in last few seasons.

 

[Rocknrolla69er]

Spot on.

Society is full of bigots & the Caf is made up of members in society; make of that what you will but anyone stating the crap they both get has nothing to do with their complexion can f*ck right off.

[Thats not me saying any criticism of those players is mired in race btw as I can be harsh on both; Martial in particular is p*ssing me off to watch recently]

Another race card wanker.

Does nobody remember the Martial Warm up debacle when he was walking around not even bothering, he's had plenty of games where he's barely moved , it's been highlighted and we'll documented, they are two players that have both Been highlighted as being very lethargic and inconsistent I honestly do not get where skin colour comes into it, bit of a mental illness you both have if you ask me.

Are Scholes and Keane racist for highlighting the same thing recently?
Scholes himself said midweek Martial won't make runs he has to have the ball played to his feet, which I deem as lethargic, and if you can't see Pogba being lazy on the pitch you obviously want his babies

Now grow up and join in proper adult debate

 

[dpansheth]

I am gonna waste another post on this topic. What I want is Martial on the left, but not a central striker given we now have Cavani

 

[the_answer]

I absolutely love martial and he is so talented. (One of the most naturally talented players at united. But he is not a classic no9) play him next to cavani and we can bring out the best of both.