GlasgowCeltic
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The board would need to accept losses on all the low intensity players if you're going to commit to a Klopp clone; Pogba, Matic, Martial, most of the back four
It's really only Pogba, Matic, Martial and Mata who would probably struggle. The rest of our midfield and attack should fit well.Our guys ran alot when Ole came in and then they gradually stopped. We dont have the work ethic to play any of the style these 3 would want.
That's exactly what I'd want us to do as well. What he did with the Red Bull teams seems to be exactly what we need here - someone who can come in and build the entire system for continual success going forward.to be fair i would be looking to bring in Ralf Rangnick til the end of the season then let him move to be director of football and let him pick the next manager, he would have good chance to see what these players have and how they could work in a system or get rid.
I would much rather a change of manager and coaching staff right now and see how they get on with the current squad for the rest of the season. I honestly think we have a decent squad who are hugely under performing and a better manager and coaching team should easily get top 4 before getting rid of a few and bringing a few in during the Summer.Why? They got more out of worse players than we have. Can our players not run as much or something?
"Top clubs" because all of those top clubs are in great shape for a manager. Barca and Madrid are both currently a shit show, Bayern isn't getting rid of Flick, Liverpool and City are set, Juve is doing their Pirlo experiment. I guess I could see PSG, but managers seem to have a tough time there for whatever reason even though that team should be throttling most.A talented, young, up and coming manager would have to be pretty daft to take on United, given what everyone now knows about how dysfunctional the club is. I don't think Nagelsmann would touch us with a barge pole when he eventually leaves RBL; not when he's likely to have most of the top clubs in Europe to pick from.
We're much more likely to attract someone who's down on his luck, over the hill or looking for a payday. Someone like Allegri, Zidane (if Madrid fires him) or maybe Pochettino (if he can't find a job).
Think it should work in his favor. Despite having an inferior team he still want to attack. He isn't going defensive. It would work better with better team and better playersI'd say the amount of points Southampton drop from winning positions should disqualify Hasenhüttl from the conversation. I think Nagelsmann is the standout candidate, but I think Rose is a fantastic option and he doesn't look a twat.
I don't really buy that. Hasenhuttl still has the highest finish in the Bundesliga with RBL & has far more experience/success with Aalen/Ingolstadt. They are all good coaches but I think of them all Hasenhuttl is the safest bet, not only has he got the most experience but he has built a team in the PL (not only the BL) and proven his ability to build a team through coaching and without needing loads of signings.Not sure why it's even a discussion – Nagelsmann is in another league to other two and he has been the most promising young manager for quite a while now. Bayern getting Flick seems like a perfect opportunity to snub him but I can't remember the last good move that our current board did in terms of our long-term planning and team/club's development.
Would be a great move but its Glazers and Woodward. Nothing will happen and we will be stuck with Ole.to be fair i would be looking to bring in Ralf Rangnick til the end of the season then let him move to be director of football and let him pick the next manager, he would have good chance to see what these players have and how they could work in a system or get rid.
It's like Michael Jordan's basketball drafting (as an owner; sorry for the out of football analogy) – the safest bet is not the one you should choose if you want your team to break through. You should choose the one with the highest potential – and Nagelsmann's tactical variety and modern vision clearly separates him from the rest. He faced the best Bayern side since the treble-winning one (well, the previous treble-winning one) and Dortmund filled with young talents boosted by Haaland coming in January and crashing all sorts of Bundesliga records.I don't really buy that. Hasenhuttl still has the highest finish in the Bundesliga with RBL & has far more experience/success with Aalen/Ingolstadt. They are all good coaches but I think of them all Hasenhuttl is the safest bet, not only has he got the most experience but he has built a team in the PL (not only the BL) and proven his ability to build a team through coaching and without needing loads of signings.
I bet you that Poch is still above Nagelsmann on our shortlist and don't see how that changes in the eyes of the boardNagelsmann has that arrogance, confidence and presence. I get young Jose vibes from him in that sense.
I bet Phil Neville is above these lot on our shortlist.I bet you that Poch is still above Nagelsmann on our shortlist and don't see how that changes in the eyes of the board
Yeah we both know how much our club love a romantic managerial appointment first Giggsy and now Ole.I bet Phil Neville is above these lot on our shortlist.
Has nagelsman gotten to a champion league final? Revolutionized a team in a competitive league and transformed them into a top club?(Hasenhult) Leipzig team were superior. I doubt you will see mourinho, pep, or klopp wanting to take over rb Leipzig when he is done there.I bet you that Poch is still above Nagelsmann on our shortlist and don't see how that changes in the eyes of the board
I appreciate the passion in your reply and by no means am I saying Nagelsmann is not a good coach. This is just personal preference. I don't know how to measure Hoffenheim versus Aalen/Ingolstadt in honesty because Hoffenheim were a vastly better team than both pre Nagelsmann. I'd argue that Hasenhuttl's time with Ingolstadt is more impressive as they were bottom of the second tier & CL places in the Bundesliga are more open (look at Schalke, Mochengladbach and even Hasenhuttl's RBL breaking in) but both have a successful track record in a relevant European league. That should be the minimum requirement for United or any PL manager.It's like Michael Jordan's basketball drafting (as an owner; sorry for the out of football analogy) – the safest bet is not the one you should choose if you want your team to break through. You should choose the one with the highest potential – and Nagelsmann's tactical variety and modern vision clearly separates him from the rest. He faced the best Bayern side since the treble-winning one (well, the previous treble-winning one) and Dortmund filled with young talents boosted by Haaland coming in January and crashing all sorts of Bundesliga records.
Hasenhuttl's Leipzig was a very good team that was built on a strong foundation of Ragnick & co. Nagelsmann came in and changed it all to a very unique collective that is, perhaps, the most tactically adaptive side since... I'm not actually sure. Maybe peak Simeone's Atletico, but even they were way more conservative. It's the reason why they've reached the CL semi-finals last year. They've stopped Bayern a few days ago, outplayed PSG on both occasions etc. – and that's without their only real star player that was sold to Chelsea in the summer. He makes mistakes – and us trashing them at Old Trafford was not just a coincidence; but he learns from them – and he has blew Ole out of the water in the second game by a fantastic tactical play, despite us having a quite clearly superior squad.
I mean, when have you last seen a 5-1-2-2 formation used? With no real strikers as well... And not only used, it was a formation that proved to be the perfect antidote for Ole's traditional big game plan. I just don't see the same level of tactical thought from neither Rose nor Hasenhüttl.
Not sure what exactly did Hasenhüttl did at Aalen & Ingolstadt that was comparable to Nagelsmann's work at Hoffenhaim. He took them from a relegation side to Champions League – and actually outperformed Hasenhüttl's Leipzig in the league next year playing beautiful attacking football, scoring more than anyone bar Bayern Munich & getting a second consecutive CL finish. Even in his last, relatively unsuccessful season, they've played fantastic proactive football and scored an astonishing 70 goals (only Bayern & Dortmund with Reus, Sancho & co. had scored more).
Same with Rose, really. They're very good managers, but Nagelsmann is really special – and he has more tools to succeed at any, even the very top, level. He's also an astonishing 20 years younger than Hasenhüttl and a good 11 years younger than Rose.
Got a chuckle out of me, sadly not far offI bet Phil Neville is above these lot on our shortlist.
He was called ''Baby Mourinho'' by Tim Wiese few years ago. Tactically he is more close to Guardiola and Klopp though.Nagelsmann has that arrogance, confidence and presence. I get young Jose vibes from him in that sense.
Poch deserves a chance to prove that he can make the step up to a bigger club,although right now Spurs are looking like the better team.I think it is going to be Poch but nothing he has done makes me believe that he is better than at least Nagelsmann or Rose.
Would prefer that to just sticking with an ex player who is way out of his depth. People need to accept that the days of someone managing a club for years has long gone nowSure, lets continue the merry go round and hire, fire, hire, fire, hire, fire and hire again. This strategy has worked great since SAF left so we should continue to ensure we become an average club.
yes we should until we get someone who has a clue about coaching a top football club. It has not been detrimental to Bayern or Real or Barca either. They keep sacking until they find someone who can win trophies for them.Sure, lets continue the merry go round and hire, fire, hire, fire, hire, fire and hire again. This strategy has worked great since SAF left so we should continue to ensure we become an average club.
We are expected to be better than that by our die-hard back the manager despite all his faults.yes we should until we get someone who has a clue about coaching a top football club. It has not been detrimental to Bayern or Real or Barca either. They keep sacking until they find someone who can win trophies for them.
We will become an average club with mediocre managers.
Here's the thing though. Ole's good matches have been much better than Moyes, LVG and Mourinho's good matches by far IMO. This says we are headed in the right direction. Could he be better? Of course. The problem is the grass isn't always greener and things might get worse and worse if we fire and hire a few more times.Would prefer that to just sticking with an ex player who is way out of his depth. People need to accept that the days of someone managing a club for years has long gone now
With Moyes, yes I agree. But with Jose and LVG, no way unless he wins a trophy this year. yes we need to fire and hire until we get the right guy. Most business would be bankrupt if you keep the incompetent CEO in charge for the fear if you fire him the next guy may be worse. You do your due diligence and hire the best man for the job. Yes Woodward fecked it by hiring him in the first place after we beat PSG.Here's the thing though. Ole's good matches have been much better than Moyes, LVG and Mourinho's good matches by far IMO. This says we are headed in the right direction. Could he be better? Of course. The problem is the grass isn't always greener and things might get worse and worse if we fire and hire a few more times.
Yeah Bruno, Cavani & Rashford would but others not convincedI think if we want Naglesmann we need to actually sort ourselves out and approach him soon or I see him replacing Klopp at Liverpool. Which would be sickening.
Not saying we should get him but I watched the Leeds documentary and you could tell the players would work their arses off for Bielsa and run through a brick wall for him. Bar a couple, would our players do that for Ole?