Zen86
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The irony being that he gets stick because he’s English.Exactly. Just him being English saves him from the stick. Pathetic.
The irony being that he gets stick because he’s English.Exactly. Just him being English saves him from the stick. Pathetic.
Are we watching the same video? Maguire is absolutely nowhere near it after the deflection takes it out of his path.The ball rolls past his right leg. If he swings his foot at it its cleared rather than rolls to Kluivert.
Its poor from Maguire and then De Gea bottles sweeping up after him.
One of these is an £80m defender, the other our best paid player. Says a lot.
This.It’s 99% on De Gea for me. Too slow to react, too cowardly when he finally does.
One would think. But DDG isn't called on very often, and then this sort of thing happens.DDG is more at fault but any CB in that situation just plays it safe and puts it our for a corner.
What we'd all love is to have the security of a booming 'Keepers!' every time the ball came and DDG marshalling his area. I have noticed with no crowd noise how quiet we are as a team - I hear McT with a lot of 'come on boys' and 'we go' type chat and Bruno is vocal but I don't really hear too many others consistently. To compound it Carrick stood on the edge of the technical area and said nothing whilst all of the RBL staff were screaming their heads off actively coaching the team in the first half. Henderson is needed to fix that in my opinion.One would think. But DDG isn't called on very often, and then this sort of thing happens.
Not on the caf, nor with the ex-utd pundits.The irony being that he gets stick because he’s English.
Aye. What Maguire does is fine if the ball's running out of play, not when there's somebody running in behind him. He can clear it and chooses not to, mostly because he's worried about slicing it into his own net.Sorry but the rule for defenders is you clear that if;
- you're not sure what's behind you
- the keeper shouts otherwise that he's coming to collect it
The whole point of it is to prevent what happened on that 3rd goal. If not we would see goals like this every week because De Gea isn't the only keeper in europe who's timid. I get that Maguire is used to having Kasper Schmeichel hoover it but he's been here for a year
You obviously never saw the thread after his Greek episode then, did you.Not on the caf, nor with the ex-utd pundits.
That won't ever happen with Maguire because he isn't vocal enough to the officials about decisionsDepends if DDG gives a shout or not, it looks like he does judging by Maguires actions and DDG positioning, but if he didn't than Maguire should deal with it.
The more I see that goal the more I cant help but wonder why there wasnt a VAR check for handball from the deflection, it probably isn't but I feel there should of been a check at the very least.
The only place hes clearing it is out for a corner, or he could take possession and try and work it out from the back somewhat riskely, we are 2-0 down chasing the game, we need possession of the ball to launch attacks, if the keeper makes the shout to claim the ball and actually takes it than we have possession again and it is the better option in the game situation, if we are not chasing the game the simply getting rid is probably the right option.What utter nonsense.
The first person should ALWAYS clear the ball inside the penalty box and not take chances. CLEAR THE FECKING BALL FFS!
If the keeper shouts then leave it but if the keeper hasn't then either take control of the ball and pass it to another player or if under pressure then clear it out regardless if its a corner or a throw in. A corner is better than conceding a goal.The only place hes clearing it is out for a corner, or he could take possession and try and work it out from the back somewhat riskely, we are 2-0 down chasing the game, we need possession of the ball to launch attacks, if the keeper makes the shout to claim the ball and actually takes it than we have possession again and it is the better option in the game situation, if we are not chasing the game the simply getting rid is probably the right option.
Either De Gea shouts to claim it and fecks it up or doesn't shout to claim it and maguire fecks it up by not clearing it.
Either way an absolute shambles of a goal to concede.
Spot on!How could anyone possibly fault Maguire for that goal? That's crazy talk.
For me, it was on Mctominay and to a lesser extent Pogba for failing to track the runner from midfield who inteligently exploited the gap left by AWB (correctly went to close down the winger) and Lindelof who was forced to close down the runner, leaving Maguire with 2 attackers to mark but only one pair of legs. He ended up in no-mans land through no fault of his own.
DDG should also be claiming the ball if it gets anywhere near the six-yard box. Telles could have reacted a bit quicker when he noticed Lindelof and Maguire had been pulled out of position too.
I see you've ignored the decisive factor, that after the deflection, Maguire chose to put on the brakes, deciding to leave it for DDG instead. He could have got to that ball and cleared it if he wanted to.OK I’ve spelt it out in Caf logic for people who aren’t blaming Maguire
- Lindelof gives the ball away twice under no real pressure
- AWB fails to stop the cross
- Maguire has two CFs to mark and covers the near post run but the ball takes a deflection, eventually landing on the 6yrd line
- Our GK, who has failed to move from his line in the time it has taken for the ball to travel 20yrds comes out, faces away from the ball and turns his body sideways, fearing a collision with the might of Justin Kluivert
Conclusion - it’s Maguire’s fault because he cost £80m
The only way Maguire gets to that ball is if a) activates his gogo gadget legs ability, or b) he makes a desperate lunge in an attempt to reach it, potentially diverting the ball into his own net. Both options are implausible given the circumstances.I see you've ignored the decisive factor, that after the deflection, Maguire chose to put on the brakes, deciding to leave it for DDG instead. He could have got to that ball and cleared it if he wanted to.
Him after the deflection:
And this is him after putting on the brakes:
That doesn't mean the other players didn't make mistakes before him, but If Maguire is decisive like he should be and clears the ball, then De Gea's mistake doesn't happen. The goal doesn't happen.
How could anyone possibly fault Maguire for that goal? That's crazy talk.
For me, it was on Mctominay and to a lesser extent Pogba for failing to track the runner from midfield who inteligently exploited the gap left by AWB (correctly went to close down the winger) and Lindelof who was forced to close down the runner, leaving Maguire with 2 attackers to mark but only one pair of legs. He ended up in no-mans land through no fault of his own.
DDG should also be claiming the ball if it gets anywhere near the six-yard box. Telles could have reacted a bit quicker when he noticed Lindelof and Maguire had been pulled out of position too.
My mistake, Williams was the culprit at leftback.Telles may have is he was on the pitch at the time. Williams and De Gea were day dreaming or ball watching.
In my view it's very easy to blame Maguire or De Gea. They are the last in a sequnece of poor mistakes. There are at least 3 before it gets to Maguire and at least 4 players are at fault before it gets to De Gea.
The goals starts with Lindelof trying to pass to Pogba and messes it up. Pogba then fails to try to win the ball back or close down. AWB throws a half arsed leg out to stop the cross.
Deflection or not Maguire should be booting that to touch if he doesn't get a shout from De Gea. That's bog standard defending at any level.
Williams is ball watching ans fails to track the run, leaving Kluivert free.
De Gea is completely reactionary and stuck to his line and really should be diving down on that ball. He should be claiming that ball in the 6 yard box no questions asked.
Can see what you mean about Pogba and Lindelof.My mistake, Williams was the culprit at leftback.
You're missing out one hugely influential action in Pogba's reluctance/ignorance to track the runner from midfield, which subsequently forces Lindelof into a risk-assessment-type situation; stay with his man or deal with the more imminent threat of picking up the untracked runner, which in turn leaves Maguire dead in the water with two men to mark. He went with the latter, which is perfectly natural under those circumstances.
Watch the clip again and you'll see what I mean re: Pogba.
Here here!Let's find more excuses for our 80-million, bang-average, arrested-in-Greece, timid-as-a-mouse English darling.
He doesn't defend crosses and does not command. He's not worth 40m to anyone with eyes.
I'd usually agree, but I really think there's something to be said for not leaving anything up to chance, especially playing in this Utd team. He's meant to be the captain.The only way Maguire gets to that ball is if a) activates his gogo gadget legs ability, or b) he makes a desperate lunge in an attempt to reach it, potentially diverting the ball into his own net. Both options are implausible given the circumstances.
Pogba should have tracked the runner rather than get caught ball watching, which in turn prevents Lindelof from getting pulled out of position and leaving Maguire alone to mark two players.
Also, DDG is shockingly passive throughout the entire attack, and Telles hasn't got a clue what he's doing either.
Lindelof literally passed the ball to them inside his own box. He started the whole feck upYeah, but if you look at the gif above, Pogba and McTominay don't go with that guy, so if he doesn't he's basically free, this goal is not on Lindelof at all despite the agenda
Vvd would have dealt with it not allowing the opportunity for the attacker to sneak in between himself and the keeperWell, if a ball deflects in front of the goal the keeper should be alerted and pick it up as quick as he possibly can. De Gea was caught on his heels sleeping. Imagine Van Djik letting that ball through, would Allison be there? Yes.
You are literally showing here that the ball is out of his reach - probably why he puts the brakes on. The desire to blame Maguire for this goal is nuts.I see you've ignored the decisive factor, that after the deflection, Maguire chose to put on the brakes, deciding to leave it for DDG instead. He could have got to that ball and cleared it if he wanted to.
Him after the deflection:
And this is him after putting on the brakes:
That doesn't mean the other players didn't make mistakes before him, but If Maguire is decisive like he should be and clears the ball, then De Gea's mistake doesn't happen. The goal doesn't happen.
Don't forget Pogba and Donny. Heck even Telles has been mentioned.So far Lindelof , McTom , Williams , Maguire , Ole and DDG have been blamed.