Ole in. Who's with me?

[Kag]

I see no reason to change. And if we were to change, Ole remains the only manager post-Ferguson that will have left us in a stronger position than the one he inherited. The way he has reorganised the squad has been brilliant, in my opinion.

There is lots of room for improvement, though. I think we should be playing better than we are. Unlike last season, the teams he is putting out there are full of good players. So it’s fair to say that some of the performances just aren’t good enough.

With that said, there are games in which we do look genuinely impressive. We actually play a little more like a big side as opposed to sitting back in fear. I think we are more likely to score goals, too. Scoring goals has been the issue under all of our previous managers and Ole is on the way to addressing that, in spite of poor backing in the transfer market in this area.

I think we give Ole until the end of the season and then evaluate. If the performances don’t pick up and we struggle to reach top four then I think calls for his dismissal will have some weight.

If it didn’t work out, I actually think that there is room for a strategic position at United for Ole. I can’t stress enough just how much better and balanced our squad is looking under him. It wasn’t that long ago that Ashley Young would have been playing at left back yesterday, with Fellaini in midfield and Lukaku up top. Times are better.

 

[Stuoxford]

I think without Bruno we are a very average side. Look at the football before he arrived!
If he gets injured it would be terrible.

 

[kouroux]

Yes, we've made progess in that aspect I think... This is a strange season with COVID and fixture congestion has not helped at all. But we are better from where we were when Mourinho went.. Shaw, Lindelof are couple I can think of who've improved in fitness..

All the more reason to use your subs. Ole sounds like a hypocrite when he complains about fixture congestion and when we see (or don't see) his subs or how he runs certain players into the ground.

 

[RedBanker]

That’s it, create a nice little safe space. Honestly, that’s the worst attitude you can possible have on an Internet forum.

So all those Ole Out ‘cranks’. Are all of them so bad that they need to be ignored? Do you keep track of them? So you may disagree with their views on how we’re being managed but what about everything else? You may have more grounds for agreement than disagreement. Sometimes, you can even have fun on here with people on one thread who, in another thread you’ve been in disagreement with.

I’m Ole out by the way. I’m not a raving ‘crank’ outter who calls Ole names and wants us to lose so I get my wish. I have lost faith though. I’m not sure I ever completely had faith either. I like a lot of what Ole has done, I like the squad he has assembled and I like that I now feel that Man Utd are back. But that’s it.

So yes, I’ve seen progress in terms of squad composition but what I’m really struggling to see is any huge improvement in how we play. I think another manager could get more out of this squad. Does that thought qualify me as a crank?

So, instead of trying to talk, to maybe convince me you’re right and I’m wrong put me on ignore because I’m a ‘crank’who doesn’t share the same view as you.

For every "crank" there is also a "*******". I think we all can identify them too.

 

[Satissh12]

All the more reason to use your subs. Ole sounds like a hypocrite when he complains about fixture congestion and when we see (or don't see) his subs or how he runs certain players into the ground.

Agree, he could have used VDB and Mata a fair few times but not sure about others like James, Ighalo, TFM, Williams..

 

[Falcow]

Ole needs to be given a chance to sign a deep-lying playmaker or DM in January if Pogba hopefully leaves, to show what he can do with a more balanced squad. He needs a chance to show if he can develop Diallo too.

He definitely will get till the end of the season. If he gets top 4, he is obviously guaranteed more time.

I think he's doing a decent job under very difficult circumstances. I think he would have absolutely snapped the hand off anyone offering 80 or 90 million for Pogba last window but the pandemic wrecked his plans.

What are the difficulty circumstances? Dont say he hasn't been backed because he has. He has spent as much as anyone.

I've been Ole in until recently and while I'm not screaming for his head etc there are too many gaps of his own making

Not replacing Lukaku and instead bringing in over the hill strikers. Not seeing the limitations of Martial/Rashford. Not off loading Pogba. Getting knocked out of the CL has been a disaster and is hugely disappointing.

The team still seems to have problems with mentality which is concerning 2 years into his reign.

I think Bruno has papered over the cracks tbh. Not against leaving Ole there until end of season or when it becomes clear we cant finish on 80 points which should have been minimum target this season in my view, however if an outstanding candidate becomes available then bring him in.

 

[Bilbo]

Still on the Ole train. My season ticket expires in May. I havent yet decided whether to renew

 

[kouroux]

Agree, he could have used VDB and Mata a fair few times but not sure about others like James, Ighalo, TFM, Williams..

He could have used Ighalo vs Leipzig. There was nothing to lose at 3-2

 

[Wumminator]

He’s done a really good job for me so far. Hopeful the next five games have four wins in the prem.

 

[Godfather]

Agree, he could have used VDB and Mata a fair few times but not sure about others like James, Ighalo, TFM, Williams..

James is an interesting one. He finally looked decent again for Wales yet Ole decides that now - that he looks like a footballer again - is not the time to use him

 

[sugar_kane]

That’s it, create a nice little safe space. Honestly, that’s the worst attitude you can possible have on an Internet forum.

So all those Ole Out ‘cranks’. Are all of them so bad that they need to be ignored? Do you keep track of them? So you may disagree with their views on how we’re being managed but what about everything else? You may have more grounds for agreement than disagreement. Sometimes, you can even have fun on here with people on one thread who, in another thread you’ve been in disagreement with.

I’m Ole out by the way. I’m not a raving ‘crank’ outter who calls Ole names and wants us to lose so I get my wish. I have lost faith though. I’m not sure I ever completely had faith either. I like a lot of what Ole has done, I like the squad he has assembled and I like that I now feel that Man Utd are back. But that’s it.

So yes, I’ve seen progress in terms of squad composition but what I’m really struggling to see is any huge improvement in how we play. I think another manager could get more out of this squad. Does that thought qualify me as a crank?

So, instead of trying to talk, to maybe convince me you’re right and I’m wrong put me on ignore because I’m a ‘crank’who doesn’t share the same view as you.

I’m not talking about normal fans who think Ole should go, they’re fine. I’m specifically talking about the nutters.

ie. the ones who see an “Ole In” thread and instantly jump in to drop one line posts about how stupid, shit, out of his depth etc he is.

That’s not debate, it’s just tedious and that type of content is clogging up the forum.

I’m happy to stick those posters on ignore, life’s too short to spend time wading through those types of posts.

 

[Satissh12]

James is an interesting one. He finally looked decent again for Wales yet Ole decides that now - that he looks like a footballer again - is not the time to use him

Good chance he'll start James vs Sheffield given we play Leeds in a couple of days..

 

[Crustanoid]

I'm still Ole In. He's not done amazingly but has improved us and given the deeper issues with our ownership and direction of our club there's nothing to suggest changing him will help us.

Unfortunately there are swathes of gammonesque rabid morons who jump in after every draw and even some of the wins spouting short-termist drivel and throwing post-1992 entitled tantrums which skew any reasoned arugment.

 

[abailey123]

I’m Ole in 100%
We’re 4 points off the top of the league, compared to 18 at this stage last year. We’ve got a run of fixtures now where if we manage the squad and pick up results we’re in the title race.
I do agree with Neville though. The next phase of progress for this team is to dominate games. Come out on the front foot and don’t wait for the game to come to us. 100% we’ve got that in us it’s just consistently producing it.

 

[keithsingleton]

I think he's doing alright.

Not interested in a debate. Just curious to know who's with me.

Sign here.

Should be a very short thread who's in.

 

[Massive Spanner]

If it didn’t work out, I actually think that there is room for a strategic position at United for Ole. I can’t stress enough just how much better and balanced our squad is looking under him. It wasn’t that long ago that Ashley Young would have been playing at left back yesterday, with Fellaini in midfield and Lukaku up top. Times are better.

Isn't that generally what you expect to happen after two years when you've give the manager loads of money to sign players in the positions he needs to and get rid of the ones he doesn't want, though? Hardly warrants being seen as some strategic achievement, in my eyes.

 

[Kag]

Isn't that generally what you expect to happen after two years when you've give the manager loads of money to sign players in the positions he needs to and get rid of the ones he doesn't want, though? Hardly warrants being seen as some strategic achievement, in my eyes.

Well, our previous managers never managed this, and both of them signed brand new first elevens. Not being able to give Ole credit for this borders on an agenda. He had a lot of dross to shift and has been about as ruthless as he can be.

 

[SER19]

I genuinely think people just forget going out of the cup 3rd round at home to Swansea under moyes, the disastrous penalty shootout vs an awful Sunderland. The januzaj false dawn. The 'schmidfield'. The utter disasters of depay and di Maria. Sanchez on the piano. So many more horror stories all in very recent history. If you can't see how far he's taken us away from that you've either repressed those memories or are in denial.

 

[sugar_kane]

GNev is spot on there. I mean, that for me is why gradually, and it is gradually, have ended up being unconvinced by Oles ability to get us where we want to be.

I think we have a very good squad, a little light up front for me, but I want to see that squad controlling matches more often and for longer periods. We’ve seen we can do it, so let’s do it.

Agree on the point about us needing to dominate matches but it seems a bit harsh criticising squad rotation and not playing the same tactics/formation in every game.

 

[dal]

100 percent in.

I hope we can get something moving over the Christmas period because funnily enough we are always stronger in the second half of the season.

We just need something to click, that’s how close I believe we are.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Nope. Caretaker level manager.

 

[Godfather]

I genuinely think people just forget going out of the cup at home to Fulham under moyes, the disastrous penalty shootout vs an awful Sunderland. The januzaj false dawn. The 'schmidfield'. The utter disasters of depay and di Maria. Sanchez on the piano. So many more horror stories all in very recent history. If you can't see how far he's taken us away from that you've either repressed those memories or are in denial.

Very selective memory you have. The time you described saw us win the FA Cup and Europe and in Mourinho's first season we played our best football since Fergie. So no he hasn't taken us anywhere really.

Just like you picked out the Schmidfield, one could mention VdB. A player sitting on the bench week in week out yet we spent 40 mill on.

 

[PoTMS]

I genuinely think people just forget going out of the cup 3rd round at home to Swansea under moyes, the disastrous penalty shootout vs an awful Sunderland. The januzaj false dawn. The 'schmidfield'. The utter disasters of depay and di Maria. Sanchez on the piano. So many more horror stories all in very recent history. If you can't see how far he's taken us away from that you've either repressed those memories or are in denial.

Ah, then that's ok then. We failed in the past, we may as well carry on failing. Christ almighty, some of you lot are Ole/Woodward/Glazer's wet dream.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Whatever you think of him, he will be given until the end of the season. Unless he wins the league title or Europa League, Ole out. And realistically he ain't doing either of those things. I'm not content with scraping top 4 and neither should you be.

No issue people giving him till the end of the season but a cup shouldn't be the barometer imo.

 

[SER19]

Ah, then that's ok then. We failed in the past, we may as well carry on failing. Christ almighty, some of you lot are Ole/Woodward/Glazer's wet dream.

Yeah that's what I said

 

[Massive Spanner]

Well, our previous managers never managed this, and both of them signed brand new first elevens. Not being able to give Ole credit for this borders on an agenda. He had a lot of dross to shift and has been about as ruthless as he can be.

Maybe we just have differing standards but "being better than LvG or Mourinho by doing the bare minimum any competent manager should instead of completely bollocking up the squad" doesn't really constitute as that impressive for me, certainly not enough to warrant keeping him in some strategic role.

 

[Judas]

I'd love to see Ole being fully backed, its certainly an aspect that gets to me. If he'd been given what he wanted and needed in the summer, it would have been very interesting.

 

[Champagne Football]

What are the difficulty circumstances? Dont say he hasn't been backed because he has. He has spent as much as anyone.

I've been Ole in until recently and while I'm not screaming for his head etc there are too many gaps of his own making

Not replacing Lukaku and instead bringing in over the hill strikers. Not seeing the limitations of Martial/Rashford. Not off loading Pogba. Getting knocked out of the CL has been a disaster and is hugely disappointing.

The team still seems to have problems with mentality which is concerning 2 years into his reign.

I think Bruno has papered over the cracks tbh. Not against leaving Ole there until end of season or when it becomes clear we cant finish on 80 points which should have been minimum target this season in my view, however if an outstanding candidate becomes available then bring him in.

Difficult circumstances in that he can't offload an expensive spoiled diva and a few flop signings from the last managers who have no love for the club or history and only came for the money.

Ole did replace Lukaku. All the fans demanded Martial be given a season as striker where he looked awesome under Van Gaal, and Ole gave the fans what they wanted. On top of that, Greenwood is expected to switch from tight wing to striker in the near future.

There's not a manager in the world who could have offloaded Pogba for an amount the board would consider realistic, similar situation to Ozil at Arsenal.

I think the board realize that we have 3 outstanding central midfielders coming through the ranks. Levitt, Garner and Galbraith. I think Ole has his hands tied and is under pressure to see if one of those players develop into a top class CM before releasing more funds for a DM. The club has a policy of not signing a player for a position if there's a talented kid coming through the ranks in that position. It's more than likely the board will back Ole to sign a DM if we get a good price for Pogba and if Ole feels none of the trio of talented CM's coming through will become top 4 level players.

 

[Matthew84!]

Definitely Ole in, least till the end of the season, he's still got a few players needing to shift, Rojo, Jones, Lingard, Romero, Pogba, if he gets 1 or 2 signings in jan it might get better,

 

[Gasolin]

He could have used Ighalo vs Leipzig. There was nothing to lose at 3-2

Do you believe in Igdaho scoring when you're trailing? It's different than when you're leading and he can protect a bit the ball...

 

[JJ12]

He’ll have another year off me. Mostly because there’s nobody else out there (available) I want long term.

 

[Icemav]

If at the end of the season the team does well then yes. If the team doesnt then no. A bit pointless discussing when we are 11 matches in and a win away from being in the top 3.

 

[Falcow]

Difficult circumstances in that he can't offload an expensive spoiled diva and a few flop signings from the last managers who have no love for the club or history and only came for the money.

Ole did replace Lukaku. All the fans demanded Martial be given a season as striker where he looked awesome under Van Gaal, and Ole gave the fans what they wanted. On top of that, Greenwood is expected to switch from tight wing to striker in the near future.

There's not a manager in the world who could have offloaded Pogba for an amount the board would consider realistic, similar situation to Ozil at Arsenal.

I think the board realize that we have 3 outstanding central midfielders coming through the ranks. Levitt, Garner and Galbraith. I think Ole has his hands tied and is under pressure to see if one of those players develop into a top class CM before releasing more funds for a DM. The club has a policy of not signing a player for a position if there's a talented kid coming through the ranks in that position. It's more than likely the board will back Ole to sign a DM if we get a good price for Pogba and if Ole feels none of the trio of talented CM's coming through will become top 4 level players.

You make it sound like Ole wanted rid of Pogba which was simply not the case, he had plenty of opportunities to sell Pogba but continually insisted Pogba was his top man. It's only this season that Ole has dropped him. We dont know if anybody would have come in for him as it was Ole who wouldn't not countenance a sale.

As for Lukaku, he didnt replace him as we had less strikers in the squad after he was sold so we cant say he was replaced.

I would howver give Ole huge credit for getting rid of Lukaku, Fellaini, Darmain, Young, Sanchez etc. We are much better off without them and the squad is in much better shape now than when he arrived. The football is also much better so again credit to Ole for that.

 

[Darlington Padgett]

Difficult circumstances in that he can't offload an expensive spoiled diva and a few flop signings from the last managers who have no love for the club or history and only came for the money.

Ole did replace Lukaku. All the fans demanded Martial be given a season as striker where he looked awesome under Van Gaal, and Ole gave the fans what they wanted. On top of that, Greenwood is expected to switch from tight wing to striker in the near future.

There's not a manager in the world who could have offloaded Pogba for an amount the board would consider realistic, similar situation to Ozil at Arsenal.

I think the board realize that we have 3 outstanding central midfielders coming through the ranks. Levitt, Garner and Galbraith. I think Ole has his hands tied and is under pressure to see if one of those players develop into a top class CM before releasing more funds for a DM. The club has a policy of not signing a player for a position if there's a talented kid coming through the ranks in that position. It's more than likely the board will back Ole to sign a DM if we get a good price for Pogba and if Ole feels none of the trio of talented CM's coming through will become top 4 level players.

That's a funny way to call the guy who gave him the job.

 

[Ali Dia]

I’m hanging in there. I think a well drilled high pressing attacking team with our resources could be amazing and sustainable but I genuinely still think Oles building a young exciting team. He’s doing well despite the glazers cutting corners. A more mobile dm behind Fred would take this team up another level. You can see the huge difference when Matic rolls the clock back and has a good game. We are crying out for it. A proper RW changes the complexion of our attack completely. We don’t have a complete team even on paper how are we supposed to compete against teams that do? By trying to keep it tight and countering. Pogba is our most influential player after Bruno and he’s leaving yet again but it seems final this time. Ole is doing ok despite all this going on.

I’m still interested to see what he can really do with a few more good players and a set 11. Diallo or Pellistiri could be worth a few goals or provide a spark. We really need to get one of Mason Rashford or Martial firing and then we are looking relatively ok for top 4 at least. if Shaw can stay fit then himself and Rashford are effective on the left if they hit their stride. Rashford looks well off it so far this season though so that is a pretty big worry. I think the squad need some serious competition for Rashford and Martial asap. I’d be very tempted to sell Martial and reinvest in something more suitable if we could get a good fee for him. I really like Martial but I don’t think he’s what we need. He’s a sub striker/winger/rotation for a top team in his current form:

 

[kouroux]

Do you believe in Igdaho scoring when you're trailing? It's different than when you're leading and he can protect a bit the ball...

Better Ighalo than Tuanzebe/Fosu Mensah no ? You're chasing a goal and you don't bring an attacking player but defenders, where the feck is the logic behind that ?

 

[Flying high]

I wish all those spending time trying to remove our manager, would put that effort into removing the parasitic owners.

 

[Matriac]

Ever since he retired as a player and worked as a coach under SAF and then managed our U23 team I was hoping that he some day in the future would get a chance to manage the club. It just seemed like a story in the making. I actually thought he might be the one to take over right after SAF, but then he retired sooner than expected when it would have been too early for Ole.
Whenever the seat was open I had a small shout for him, but honestly thought he wouldn't get it after so many years had passed. But after those 3 managers who pulled us in all sorts of directions, he was the perfect caretaker to help instill some of that old United feeling.

Apparently his plans were good enough to impress the board, and I was thinking around the PSG game in 2019 that if they want to make him the permanent manager they should do it immediately while public support was massive, instead of waiting till the end of the season as I expected that our form would be impossible to keep up, though I didn't expect us to collapse as much as we did.

Still, I was glad we signed him up early, as what I saw in those first months both on and (especially) off the field made me certain that Ole was the right man to rebuild the club, that it would take time.
Is everything perfect now? No, of course not, but no manager would be able to. Over all we are going in the right direction. I have hopes for a trophy this season, and hopefully we're in the mix for the league title as well in the spring, but even if we just finish in the top 4 that's still progress for me, as none of the other managers after SAF managed consecutive top 4.

Yes he often says some maybe weird things to the media, especially after mediocre performances, but I think that's a deliberate strategy to put the focus on himself instead of the players. He'd much rather the media criticize him than potentially distract the players since the media focuses so much more on us than other clubs. SAF did the same thing, but with just a little difference in style for his personality.

But maybe the reason why I really don't mind his media strategy is that I also don't care about Raiola blabbing his mouth off. Would I prefer if he was quiet, yes for sure, but I also don't think he's really that distracting. CR7 was supposedly leaving Real Madrid every summer, to then sign a new and improved contract. Pogba is definitely not on CR7's level, but they employ a similar strategy when it comes to contracts. I really don't care what Mino says as long as Paul doesn't say the same things. I've just come to accept it as part of reality now, and I think Ole manages to deal with Mino really well in the media.

So yes, I'm definitely Ole in. Not blindly as I'm sure some will think after reading this. We definitely need to continue improving, and heavily challenge for the league within this or next season. But for now all the signs are there for me. I'm really enjoying football again, even with the gutpunches as well. It shows I actually care about football again.

 

[Handré1990]

I wavered around that horrible draw vs Wolves and a loss right before I think, In January. I’m in until we can’t get CL.

Before I get attacked by irrational children on here, no I don’t think a CL spot is something to celebrate, yet we haven’t had two consecutive seasons in it since SAF, have we? A little stability is what I crave. We have a very young team and I think CL is an important stage to develop top players.

 

[jem]

Imagine winning anything with Ole. I'd fecking love that.

It would be amazing. I don't see it happening, but it would be amazing.