Wumminator
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Blaming Ole for not having players fit for the opening of the season is genuinely crazy.Of course
Blaming Ole for not having players fit for the opening of the season is genuinely crazy.Of course
There's nothing wrong with that opinion, or the way you made it. Being critical of the side while showing some insight into our flaws is not the issue, it's the posters who seem to gleefully jump onto our failures in order to win some imaginary contest who are the problem. Nobody wants to stifle opinions.There should be a knee-jerk thread for those who remain convinced that Ole is the man to turn us into a title winning side after a narrow victory against relegation fodder.
Yes it should have been 4 or 5 nil against Sheffield United, but the fact is that it wasn't thanks to our porous defence. Our wing-backs are often forced to stay back to bubble wrap Harry and Victor.
I don't think there is anything knee-jerk about us wanting a generally better drilled side with a proper CB pairing.
That's my point though. You're comparing this United team to the teams of old. We can't hammer Ole because he's not SAF, SAF was a remarkable once in a lifetime manager who took over the perfect club for him at just the right time.Fergie would have never let that happen though. I remember once we didn't seem ready at the start of the season but there was nothing wrong we just went clicking.
Fergie would have had us winning with the players that were ready
I personally disagree about not seeing progress, but good post, and of course I’d like to see him getting more out of the players, but think (hope ) that’s coming.That's my point though. You're comparing this United team to the teams of old. We can't hammer Ole because he's not SAF, SAF was a remarkable once in a lifetime manager who took over the perfect club for him at just the right time.
I'm not a big Ole supporter, to be honest I look at him and I don't envisage us ever getting back to the top with him. But the real reason I'm critical is because I don't see enough progress with this team under him, I don't think he gets enough out of the players at his disposal.
I'm not Ole out because we're not winning titles, it's a weak argument to have because even Klopp would likely struggle with this team. But you'd still back Klopp if he was managing your team cause in those early days at Liverpool you could see the potential, and you believe in his managerial abilities.
We should judge Ole within the scope of what is expected of him, not on the mantra of "Man United should be winning trophies no matter what". I think that rigid belief has skewed what we should come to expect from this manager and team.
Ok agree with that, Ole came in when there weren't many good alternatives. Some might argue there are some now. But I agree that Ole should finish this season but there are some really worrying signs under his management. No clear system already played 5 different systems with 3 variations of 4-4-2. And our shambolic defense seems to become worse.patience under the manager, who has been in charge for 2 of those 7.
the alternative is to start again.
It's just a bit of knee-jerk fun, and at times a healthy dose of emotional cringe. I quite enjoy having a look through it after games.most of us know that the match day thread should be avoided, as it’s pretty horrible.
No, it's not horrific. And yes, every fanbase is like that.but is our fanbase horrific, or is this how every fanbase react?
I think you may have a point if that is a global fanbase generally being more negative. At least, it would be my guess that local fans, who are "closer to the action", are generally more diplomatic when it comes to all things their club, and that their opinions are to a lesser extent influenced by pundits and TV commentators (who are often shit stirrers by trade). It is my understanding that match going fans are generally the last to call for someone's head, and I can't imagine them posting a lot in match day threads either - kind of a waste of a ticket.is this a symptom of a global fanbase? Is this just how modern fans react?
I don't agree that this forum is particularly negative. Knee-jerk, yes, like all football forums. But negative, no. At least not compared to any other football forum, or any forum, or anything internet. If you discount obvious trolls and cry babies, and you take threads that are made for knee-jerkery for what they are (like the match day thread), there's just a lot of opinion.the negativity on here is astonishing. As soon as we concede, we see the ‘ole out’ threads bumped, we see new threads created to slag off Henderson, we see threads bumped which are pseudo player performance threads to bash players.
This is the age of instant gratification, no doubt about that. Still, this is just a football forum. Pretty low-key stuff at the end of the day.does anyone have any patience anymore?
I've never taken the time to count how active any one particular person is in a match day thread, and generally don't take notice of usernames. So I'm just guessing here, but I would think it's mostly just people dropping a line here and there. And because there are a lot of people doing that, you get a long thread. Then during break, they might type some more. If there's anyone who's super-active all the time in the match day thread, then yes, they're obviously not paying attention to the game, or as you say, not actually enjoying football.more importantly, do these fans actually enjoy Watching football, or do they prefer to find the negative in every single match?
Ah, demagoguery. Lovely, lovely demagoguery. There can be no internet debate without it, no matter which 'side' anyone's on.anyone who is positive gets accused of ‘accepting mediocrity’.
That is the nature of anonymous human interaction, and it goes for all fans, any sport, or any topic. You think a political forum would be any better? Or a forum on hobby archeology? The level of politeness, honesty and conviction behind what people express behind anonymity will always be lower, and have a bit of a heat-of-the-moment I-don't-see-who-I'm-talking-to aspect to it. You can always ignore the noise, if you want. And if you aren't, well then maybe that's because you find it a bit entertaining after all.do other clubs laugh at our shocking fans base, or are their ‘Internet fans’ just as bad?
Their answer is the same, but when they try to verbalise it they struggle. Ole needs to win every single game comfortably, if he doesn they were right, and that was the real quizWe have an embarrassing fanbase.
That much is obvious.
The people who have shown Ole nothing but vitriol this season despite us being second if we win a game in hand.
I shut a lot of people up the other day by asking how many more points Ole should have got. You saw people really engaging and struggling to verbalise the response.
I agree the end of this season is when we should evaluate him.Ok agree with that, Ole came in when there weren't many good alternatives. Some might argue there are some now. But I agree that Ole should finish this season but there are some really worrying signs under his management. No clear system already played 5 different systems with 3 variations of 4-4-2. And our shambolic defense seems to become worse.
Not really.Blaming Ole for not having players fit for the opening of the season is genuinely crazy.
thanks. I don’t agree with all your points, but they are well reasoned. I’d give you a like if I was a mod. That’s sort of sounds condescending, but it’s really not meant that way.It's just a bit of knee-jerk fun, and at times a healthy dose of emotional cringe. I quite enjoy have a look through it after games.
No, its not horrific. And yes, every fanbase is like that.
I think you may have a point if that is a global fanbase generally being more negative. At least, it would be my guess that local fans, who are "closer to the action", are generally more diplomatic when it comes to all things their club, and that their opinions are to a lesser extent influenced by pundits and TV commentators (who are often shit stirrers by trade). It is my understanding that match going fans are generally the last to call for someone's head, and I can't imagine them posting a lot in match day threads either - kind of a waste of a ticket.
I don't agree that this forum is particularly negative. Knee-jerk, yes, like all football forums. But negative, no. At least not compared to any other football forum, or any forum, or anything internet. If you discount obvious trolls and cry babies, and you take threads that are made for knee-jerkery for what they are (like the match day thread), there's just a lot of opinion.
This is the age of instant gratification, no doubt about that. Still, this is just a football forum. Pretty low-key stuff at the end of the day.
I've never taken the time to count how active any one particular person is in a match day thread, and generally don't take notice of usernames. So I'm just guessing here, but I would think it's mostly just people dropping a line here and there. And because there are a lot of people doing that, you get a long thread. Then during break, they might type some more. If there's anyone who's super-active all the time in the match day thread, then yes, they're obviously not paying attention to the game, or as you say, not actually enjoying football.
Ah, demagoguery. Lovely, lovely demagoguery. There can be no internet debate without it, no matter which 'side' anyone's on.
That is the nature of anonymous human interaction, and it goes for all fans, any sport, or any topic. You think a political forum would be any better? Or a forum on hobby archeology? The level of politeness, honesty and conviction behind what people express behind anonymity will always be lower, and have a bit of a heat-of-the-moment I-don't-see-who-I'm-talking-to aspect to it. You can always ignore the noise, if you want. And if you aren't, well then maybe that's because you find it a bit entertaining after all.
And proven utterly wrong on Moyes & Fellaini.I have shown that I will stand by managers and players who exemplify what it means to be at this club. I can hold my head high and say no matter what I have supported United and had the best interests of the club at heart, I was fair to both Mourinho and Zlatan and ultimately proven right,
It certainly isn’t you. I see this kind of mentality all around the forum. If 99 happened again you’d have a portion of fans feel ashamed because we were only good for 2 mins..Is it me or is there a perception of if you come back it is a shit performance or if you are better second half you got away with it. I mean if we were 3-0 up and then went 3-1 - no one would bat an eyelid but because we went down first and then scored 3, it is almost as if it doesn’t count and we shouldn’t have been behind to begin with.
Yeah I hope so too. And I get what you're saying, watching us at the moment is night and day to at any stage over the past 7 years. We look like a team capable of destroying anyone on our day.I personally disagree about not seeing progress, but good post, and of course I’d like to see him getting more out of the players, but think (hope ) that’s coming.
I entirely agree, we can't clone Fergie. I'm enjoying watching OGSs United much more than Mou or LVG.That's my point though. You're comparing this United team to the teams of old. We can't hammer Ole because he's not SAF, SAF was a remarkable once in a lifetime manager who took over the perfect club for him at just the right time.
I'm not a big Ole supporter, to be honest I look at him and I don't envisage us ever getting back to the top with him. But the real reason I'm critical is because I don't see enough progress with this team under him, I don't think he gets enough out of the players at his disposal.
I'm not Ole out because we're not winning titles, it's a weak argument to have because even Klopp would likely struggle with this team. But you'd still back Klopp if he was managing your team cause in those early days at Liverpool you could see the potential, and you believe in his managerial abilities.
We should judge Ole within the scope of what is expected of him, not on the mantra of "Man United should be winning trophies no matter what". I think that rigid belief has skewed what we should come to expect from this manager and team.
it is fair to question the management for our start to the season.Not really.
We took the Europa League seriously. We didn't have to. We could have rested our main players. We had little to win trying hard in it and a lot to lose.
It was a decision that was made.
I don't know if this is a "known" thing on these forums but after world cup / euros years the number of goals scored in the league over the whole season goes down. After years with a European break, the goals go up. That's across all 20 teams in the league, not just us.
Playing through the summer is brutal. Especially with a small squad. I guess it's not too different to playing after the euros except it hurts us and not Sheffield United.
So that's the first thing, we could have made another decision there.
Next thing is match fitness. It's (presumably) entirely possible to use the Europa League as preseason training and come out one of the best in the league. We didn't quite do that. We didn't start the season match ready. It's a terrible situation to be in, but you need look at management as to how to solve it. There probably was a way to make us match fit. It's not impossible. So you have to ask why it didn't happen. It's a fair question.
Saw Ole being called a jackass and a cretin in a single page I think for not bringing on DVB around 60 mins. But sadly yeah it has been a lot worse.People just like to moan about things nowadays.
Didn’t think the match day thread was all that bad today seen it a lot worse.
I know you’ve kind of phrased the question as “are other fans like this” but from this post and your posts in other threads its clear you think United fans are some anomaly and are the worse.most of us know that the match day thread should be avoided, as it’s pretty horrible.
but is our fanbase horrific, or is this how every fanbase react?
is this a symptom of a global fanbase? Is this just how modern fans react?
the negativity on here is astonishing. As soon as we concede, we see the ‘ole out’ threads bumped, we see new threads created to slag off Henderson, we see threads bumped which are pseudo player performance threads to bash players.
does anyone have any patience anymore?
more importantly, do these fans actually enjoy Watching football, or do they prefer to find the negative in every single match?
anyone who is positive gets accused of ‘accepting mediocrity’.
do other clubs laugh at our shocking fans base, or are their ‘Internet fans’ just as bad?
You get a few nutters on match day that’s for sure.Saw Ole being called a jackass and a cretin in a single page I think for not bringing on DVB around 60 mins. But sadly yeah it has been a lot worse.
We won the bloody game and led for most of it. Of course it's been worseSaw Ole being called a jackass and a cretin in a single page I think for not bringing on DVB around 60 mins. But sadly yeah it has been a lot worse.
The match day thread is purely a venting exercise and I wouldn't take much of it seriously beyond the contents of the game but some do take things too far.You get a few nutters on match day that’s for sure.
Emotions can run high even with the most loyal of fans don’t think it represents our entire fan base or how they actually feel.
it’s one of the reasons I asked the question. My experience of other teams’ supporters are in real life, rather than online.I know you’ve kind of phrased the question as “are other fans like this” but from this post and your posts in other threads its clear you think United fans are some anomaly and are the worse.
I assure you they are not.
I recommend you take trips to the forums of other clubs or just go on Twitter to see that everyone has mental/knee jerk/overly negative/overly positive/ top red type fans. It’s called the internet..... People vent on the internet, exaggerate their opinion.
Lots of bluemoon were slagging off Guardiola all last season. Even after two 98+ points plus seasons. A treble, and back to back titles.Theres been lots of slagging off of Sterling this season.
You think United fans are too hard on Ole, compare what he’s done at United to what Guardiola has done at city and you’ll know who’s fans are more “horrific” and “negative”.
Newcastle fans constantly slag off Bruce even though he is doing exactly the same job as Rafa who in their warped minds took them to never before seen heights.
I wouldn’t even go near Arsenal forums right now if I were you.
Yeah Ole raises as many questions as he answers on a daily basis. You could ask why we went so gung-ho and attacking at the start of the season, with Pogba in midfield still recovering from COVID.I entirely agree, we can't clone Fergie. I'm enjoying watching OGSs United much more than Mou or LVG.
But we have to ask had questions which we would of any other manager. Why weren't we match fit at the start of the season.
Imagine if a big corporation had mucked up, say, a product launch. You'd ask "okay why didn't you have enough units ready?" "Well the pandemic hurt our manufacturing capabilities" "Okay, was there anything you could have done to mitigate that?". "Yes, we could have done these things" "okay, and could you have forseen that this was going to be needed?" .. "yes, maybe".
We knew that we were going to need to start strong and be match fit. We knew we were going to be hurting after the Europa League finals tournament.
Those are forseesble problems. If we weren't match fit upon season start, that's on us.
I think I know what the real problem OP has is.is this a symptom of a global fanbase? Is this just how modern fans react?
Indeed lots of teams are in the same situation as we are.it is fair to question the management for our start to the season.
personally I think it was right to go for the Europa League, I’m not a fan of the competition, but given how deep we were, I think it would have been wrong to treat it as a pre-season.
we weren’t prepared for the start of the season - but given it was a completely unique situation, and many other teams have started poorly, I don’t think we can blame the management team. In retrospect, of course we should have made different decisions, but that can be said of many things in retrospect.
DVB getting slated for not making a pass 10 seconds after he came on was a weird one.The match day thread is purely a venting exercise and I wouldn't take much of it seriously beyond the contents of the game but some do take things too far.
Syphilis?I think I know what the real problem OP has is.
Certainly if this forum is indicative of our fanbase, its all there to see: some of the most corrosive knee jerk moaners around. Much prefer deluded Liverpool fans on RAWK during their wilderness years.most of us know that the match day thread should be avoided, as it’s pretty horrible.
but is our fanbase horrific, or is this how every fanbase react?
is this a symptom of a global fanbase? Is this just how modern fans react?does anyone have any patience anymore?
more importantly, do these fans actually enjoy Watching football, or do they prefer to find the negative in every single match?
anyone who is positive gets accused of ‘accepting mediocrity’
do other clubs laugh at our shocking fans base, or are their ‘Internet fans’ just as bad?
the negativity on here is astonishing. As soon as we concede, we see the ‘ole out’ threads bumped, we see new threads created to slag off Henderson, we see threads bumped which are pseudo player performance threads to bash players.
Sums up my thoughts quite perfectly.It’s pretty bad tbh. I try to avoid much online footy conversation nowadays, as I’m becoming more and more easily triggered as I age. The narrative around us and from our own fans is boringly toxic at this point.
Then register thereCertainly if this forum is indicative of our fanbase, its all there to see: some of the most corrosive knee jerk moaners around. Much prefer deluded Liverpool fans on RAWK during their wilderness years.
This is what I meant by childish. Not toxic, just extremely arrogant like a child. Oooo Top Red friends. You are talking about people moaning but you are one of them big moaners in the forum. And you posted a lot of insults to 'a certain group of individuals'.However, the toxic hate loving key board warriors are only getting airtime because we don't have match going fans to set the narrative. And our match going fans, especially away ones are brilliant fans, so hopefully as soon as they get back, these digital wannabe's can fade into oblivion.
Said one of the most toxic members on this site.However, the toxic hate loving key board warriors are only getting airtime because we don't have match going fans to set the narrative. And our match going fans, especially away ones are brilliant fans, so hopefully as soon as they get back, these digital wannabe's can fade into oblivion.
Because supporting my team and manager is toxic?Said one of the most toxic members on this site.
So many pots and kettles.