Is our fanbase the most entitled/ knee jerk toxic fanbase around?

[sammsky1]

This is what I meant by childish. Not toxic, just extremely arrogant like a child. Oooo Top Red friends. You are talking about people moaning but you are one of them big moaners in the forum. And you posted a lot of insults to 'a certain group of individuals'.

Yeah. I moan against people who moan. Stop moaning, and I won't moan. Simples.

 

[Ludens the Red]

it’s one of the reasons I asked the question. My experience of other teams’ supporters are in real life, rather than online.

I don’t think I want to go down the Twitter route for my own sanity! But I get your point.

I’ll also add a special mention to European clubs. In particular Inter, a link was posted from their forum on here and the post was about Conte after they got knocked out the CL..

This was it

Sacking him is far too light. Ultras should take this matter into their hands and siege Conte's house. Just slowly kill his family in front of him so this retard suffers the rest of his life.

http://forzainterforums.com/showthread.php?14703-Antonio-Conte/page355
What was amazing was nobody bat an eyelid, nobody called it out and the post is still there
If you ever see someone ranting 10 mins into a United game that Ole can’t coach, just open up that Inter page. Then you’ll see redcafe is like Disneyland.

 

[ClaytonBlackmoorLeftPeg]

I’ll also add a special mention to European clubs. In particular Inter, a link was posted from their forum on here and the post was about Conte after they got knocked out the CL..

This was it


http://forzainterforums.com/showthread.php?14703-Antonio-Conte/page355
What was amazing was nobody bat an eyelid, nobody called it out and the post is still there
If you ever see someone ranting 10 mins into a United game that Ole can’t coach, just open up that Inter page. Then you’ll see redcafe is like Disneyland.

bloody hell. I didn’t see that. That’s bat shit mental.

 

[MattofManchester]

Because supporting my team and manager is toxic?

No. Because your approach is that of a 7 year old who hasn't got his way. Rude, arrogant, entitled and self-centered. It's really got nothing to do with the club or manager.

From what I've seen of you, it just seems you have a problem with anyone whose opinion isn't in the same stratosphere as yours. Then cue the obnoxious behavior.

 

[DOTA]

No. There's not a lot remarkable about our fanbase really. It's a very standard one for a big club. Just bigger than most big clubs.

 

[el3mel]

I’ll also add a special mention to European clubs. In particular Inter, a link was posted from their forum on here and the post was about Conte after they got knocked out the CL..

This was it


http://forzainterforums.com/showthread.php?14703-Antonio-Conte/page355
What was amazing was nobody bat an eyelid, nobody called it out and the post is still there
If you ever see someone ranting 10 mins into a United game that Ole can’t coach, just open up that Inter page. Then you’ll see redcafe is like Disneyland.

Yeah I'm actually the one who posted this link here back in the day.

 

[Infra-red]

Not the most toxic, but certainly the fanbase with the biggest predilection for navel gazing.

So many threads pop up on here pontificating on whether the United fanbase is too negative, or too positive at any particular given moment. Who cares.

 

[HowYouDoin]

No not even by a long shot.
We are just a big club and we demand excellence. Teams like Barca, Madrid or Bayern would never tolerate what we do.

 

[Yagami]

This forum is great.

The majority of the time, when someone moans or complains, they go into why or, if they don't initially and are called out on said moaning/criticism, will then explain why they have said opinion.

Old Trafford on a match day makes the match day thread here look like nursery. The abuse I used to hear Nani get for example was worse than anything on this forum.

This is a great forum with many great posters. The complaints about this forum are tiresome. Just leave if you don't like it.

 

[Denis' cuff]

No but a lot on this forum are

 

[tomaldinho1]

Not the most toxic, but certainly the fanbase with the biggest predilection for navel gazing.

So many threads pop up on here pontificating on whether the United fanbase is too negative, or too positive at any particular given moment. Who cares.

/thread

It’s true. Someone else started a near identical thread recently and I think it’s no secret there’s a divide between the Ole in/out which eventually takes over every thread anyway. That’s the only toxic thing in our forum, that opinions on Ole derail good discussion in other threads.

Fans have opinions, usually none are 100% right or wrong and everything is subjective. If someone annoys you to the point you feel the need to create a thread about their post(s) just put them on ignore.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Thought provoking thread.

 

[RedCurry]

Too many questions - I'll pass.

Just not to Sheffield United player, please

 

[meamth]

Its a generation of United supporters that grew up under Ferguson and think that that is just how its supposed to be all the time.

I don't think so, Fergie taught us to be patient and trust the process.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

Real Madrid fans no?
I would put us as 2nd because seriously there are good backings towards the players and managers. Real fans are more ruthless and harsh.

It goes with standards and expectations build over the years. A sign of giant top clubs. Both Real and United have high standards, and if the club, managers and players couldn't live up to that, then expect to be booed, criticized, lambasted. If you lived up to it, then you "pass", worth it and deserve to be applaud and respected.

Many posters here seems to have issues with it.
Wanting to be in "everything is awesome" mode?


I see it as a "filter" or "barometer" (couldn't think of a better word to describe this) or "litmus paper". It won't be toxic if the club, managers and players are competent and performed to the high standards. But of course, you'll get some vocal fans who is always negative, can't deny that. Even during the great seasons, they will for sure moan but that is a small minority. People are not stupid, majority of them moan, call it entitled or knee jerk or toxic as you want, but they are being/doing that for good reasonable reasons.

One thing for sure, if no fans are criticizing the shits they are served with on the plates by the club, managers and players then that is a sign of complete acceptance of low standards. United fans nowadays is more and more accepting lower and lower standards, just as how the club already is content with just top 4/CL qualified every season and not wanting to be the very best. Sure they'll spin everything around, insisting on "patience", "process", "rome is not built in a day", rebuilt" and all the other bs while clutching anything positives as few as it is and conveniently using it as beating sticks to prove everything is awesome, while conveniently ignoring the other bad stats or clear aspects of the football and other things lacking and worse. Waiting for it to turn to rawkish if not already or Arsenal's celebrating every little shit significant "achievements". It's so sad and pathetic. To each their own.

 

[Web of Bissaka]

I don't think so, Fergie taught us to be patient and trust the process.

When?
I only recall he talked about trusting the manager... then appoint an out-of-depth manager as his first replacement. We should've let Moyes finish rebuild back then and trust the process of transition

 

[jackal&hyde]

No. There's not a lot remarkable about our fanbase really. It's a very standard one for a big club. Just bigger than most big clubs.

This. Plus United has and always will be the biggest news in the English press and negative articles "sell" a lot better then positive ones. Add this together and you will get a number of people being overly negative all the time.

 

[Wumminator]

And proven utterly wrong on Moyes & Fellaini.

Bravo you.

Yeah fair enough - I was very optimistic on Moyes. Fellaini was a great purchase though ultimately.

 

[Mr.Ridiculous__]

This forum has declined massively to be very honest. Not sure about the larger fanbase.

 

[youngrell]

The forum can be tiring on times, I imagine we all ventured here with the thought ‘it’d be cool to join somewhere you can discuss United and football in general with like-minded fans’ but often times it is overly negative and a bit toxic.

A lot of people can’t even wait to see how 90 minutes pans out never mind a full season. Patience is at an all time low, which is kind of understandable after the last 7 years, but the rage on times is way out of proportion.

 

[wrepdrep]

Online fans are the same everywhere.

 

[Volumiza]

Oooo Top Red friends.

- I actually heard Jays voice while reading that!

 

[meamth]

I'm all fine with the negativity, but that's what we're here for.

But I couldn't stand comments like:
1. Maguire is shit with the ball, ball playing defender my arse!
2. AWB is like bambi on ice. (What the feck?, he is actually really good with his first touch and ball control)
3. Solskjaer is PE coach.
4. Backroom staff clueless.
5. McTominay is championship level player.

Basically, over the top stuff like these, is the most toxic in this forum.

 

[wolvored]

We've won 5 and drawn 1 of our last games in the league. Top of the form table.

We've got the 3rd most pts in the entire year of 2020, a good way behind Liverpool and just behind City.

If we win our game in hand we go 2nd.


And fans are losing their sh1t. Can you imagine how bad it would be if we were Arsenal?

Think covid and this awful year has got people proper worked up.

Corrected it for you. link

 

[wolvored]

I have read posters slagging off the team and individul players on the live matchday thread when losing 1-0 after 10 mins or so and praising them on the aftermatch thread when we have pulled it back and won.

 

[thepolice123]

If you are talking about this forum, its probably because the newbie promotion system collapsed. Some of the newer member post absolutely garbage everyday.

 

[londonredmaniac]

It's symptomatic of big clubs, with large family bases and Internet forums for me.

 

[Meep]

There is so much bad energy everywhere in society theese days.

I just wan't to enjoy united, football and be happy.. so I don't get into the "whining" threads where people are dumping their bad energy and drag others down to their own sad state.
If you only whine, hate and cry when watching football, why are you watching really?

 

[londonredmaniac]

I have read posters slagging off the team and individul players on the live matchday thread when losing 1-0 after 10 mins or so and praising them on the aftermatch thread when we have pulled it back and won.

That's been going on in just about every ground and pub post match in the country

 

[londonredmaniac]

If you are talking about this forum, its probably because the newbie promotion system collapsed. Some of the newer member post absolutely garbage everyday.

It's also had the fortunate situation of having the best manager in the history of the country its entire existence before 2013 though.

There was negativity of course, always is...but there wasn't alot to be negative about in comparison.

 

[Flexdegea]

Honestly think our base is the worse about at the moment.

I feel they bounce of the narrative too easy from oppostion fans and to the media.


Then you got the entitled, emotional side of it all it all too.

You'd think it was just online you would see it but even in our supporter club group it's absolutely wild some boys popping in after every draw or defeat giving it barrels about the manager but be no where to be seen when we are winning matches like we are in the league at the moment. Talking about players mentalities and expecting them to be brave and to show the United way, to be strong but here they are crying their lamps out at going behind being big fannies . Bizarre stuff.

 

[Inigo Montoya]

This forum has declined massively to be very honest. Not sure about the larger fanbase.

They're worse than this place

There are still fans who think we should have sacked SAF and appointed Martin O'Neill

 

[Red00012]

This forum is great.

The majority of the time, when someone moans or complains, they go into why or, if they don't initially and are called out on said moaning/criticism, will then explain why they have said opinion.

Old Trafford on a match day makes the match day thread here look like nursery. The abuse I used to hear Nani get for example was worse than anything on this forum.

This is a great forum with many great posters. The complaints about this forum are tiresome. Just leave if you don't like it.

Match day Lukaku was something else too

 

[Flexdegea]

There're many negative posters who post sensible opinions. There're many positive posters who post sensible opinions. There're also people from both categories who go to the extreme. Pretty easy to choose whom you feel sensible in his opinion even if you disagree with and discuss with him while ignoring the one who's extreme and irritating.

Not every negative person is extreme and over the top, just as not every positive person here is sensible and reasonable.

Choose whoever you like discussing with regardless of your agreement or disagreement with his opinion and ignore the irritating persons. Pretty easy solution really.

But it's impossible to enter a big forum and expect everyone to have the same ideologies, way of thinking and beliefs.

To be honest lad you are coming across as the most insecure here about this topic

 

[JohnnyKills]

most of us know that the match day thread should be avoided, as it’s pretty horrible.

but is our fanbase horrific, or is this how every fanbase react?

is this a symptom of a global fanbase? Is this just how modern fans react?

the negativity on here is astonishing. As soon as we concede, we see the ‘ole out’ threads bumped, we see new threads created to slag off Henderson, we see threads bumped which are pseudo player performance threads to bash players.

does anyone have any patience anymore?

more importantly, do these fans actually enjoy Watching football, or do they prefer to find the negative in every single match?

anyone who is positive gets accused of ‘accepting mediocrity’.

do other clubs laugh at our shocking fans base, or are their ‘Internet fans’ just as bad?

You pose as a great fan, yet you can't spell Clayton Blackmore and you clearly believe he was left-footed.

 

[Bobcat]

Yes.

That’s the issue.

The issue in this forum is that fans want to live in la la land. The real problem is too many people are positive on this forum.

Having a good old moan feels nice once in a while, but yeah, some people go a bit overboard.

You know that collegue who just drains the entire room with his complaining.?The one when you see him you think "oh feck, not this guy", he comes over and then starts a 10 minute rant about how his day is ruined because a bird shat on his car and he has a canker sore that is probably going to kill him

Thats how the worst culprits feel like

 

[Robbie Boy]

It's just a bit of knee-jerk fun, and at times a healthy dose of emotional cringe. I quite enjoy having a look through it after games.



No, it's not horrific. And yes, every fanbase is like that.



I think you may have a point if that is a global fanbase generally being more negative. At least, it would be my guess that local fans, who are "closer to the action", are generally more diplomatic when it comes to all things their club, and that their opinions are to a lesser extent influenced by pundits and TV commentators (who are often shit stirrers by trade). It is my understanding that match going fans are generally the last to call for someone's head, and I can't imagine them posting a lot in match day threads either - kind of a waste of a ticket.



I don't agree that this forum is particularly negative. Knee-jerk, yes, like all football forums. But negative, no. At least not compared to any other football forum, or any forum, or anything internet. If you discount obvious trolls and cry babies, and you take threads that are made for knee-jerkery for what they are (like the match day thread), there's just a lot of opinion.



This is the age of instant gratification, no doubt about that. Still, this is just a football forum. Pretty low-key stuff at the end of the day.



I've never taken the time to count how active any one particular person is in a match day thread, and generally don't take notice of usernames. So I'm just guessing here, but I would think it's mostly just people dropping a line here and there. And because there are a lot of people doing that, you get a long thread. Then during break, they might type some more. If there's anyone who's super-active all the time in the match day thread, then yes, they're obviously not paying attention to the game, or as you say, not actually enjoying football.



Ah, demagoguery. Lovely, lovely demagoguery. There can be no internet debate without it, no matter which 'side' anyone's on.



That is the nature of anonymous human interaction, and it goes for all fans, any sport, or any topic. You think a political forum would be any better? Or a forum on hobby archeology? The level of politeness, honesty and conviction behind what people express behind anonymity will always be lower, and have a bit of a heat-of-the-moment I-don't-see-who-I'm-talking-to aspect to it. You can always ignore the noise, if you want. And if you aren't, well then maybe that's because you find it a bit entertaining after all.

Great post, mate.

I steer well clear of the Ole debate these days. But feck me, its entertaining as hell and a thread I read daily. It's hilarious at times, there's some proper nutters on both sides who think they're 100% right in everything they say. It's an endless loop of insanity

 

[Panther]

If you guys think this forum is reactionary and entitled, you should check out comments under the club's Facebook and Twitter posts before, during and after games.

 

[Bobcat]

If you guys think this forum is reactionary and entitled, you should check out comments under the club's Facebook and Twitter posts before, during and after games.

Twitter and Facebook are the worst places to discuss anything. They are a scourge on humanity

 

[AngliaRed]

Definitely entitled and slightly toxic.

definitely not as toxic and bitter as Liverpool fans though