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This is great from Riddick


The media is currently pushing a 'Dolphins should draft a new QB' narrative for clicks. Give me a fecking break.

Tua finished last season unable to walk. He had no offseaon. He had no preseason. He started the season on the bench, eventually took over as the starter - with an mediocre OC who only came out of retirement (after being fired by the rest of the division) because he fancied working with his best pal Fitz for a 7th season.

And you know what? He did fine for a rookie. He looked terrific some games, such as Arizona and KC, was ok in others and had a couple of rough games against Denver (Miami was not even close to ready for the what Fangio threw at us) and Buffalo - a game where we were beaten down on O, D and special teams where they scored a punt return TD.

Something that must also be remembered when piling on Tua. The offense he was working with:

WR1 Devante Parker - injured for much of the season. Has one really good season out of 6 in Miami.
WR2 Preston Williams - IR for most of the season, played one game with Tua and caught two TDs. Got hurt celebrating the TD.
WR3 Albert Wilson - Opted out for the season
WR4 Jakeem Grant - Has worse hands than my cat, dropped key passes and deep ball TDs in I believe 4 games in a row. Eventually went on IR
WR 5 Allen Hurns - Also opted out for the season
WR5 Lynn Bowden - College QB last year, drafted by the raiders as a RB, a month later traded to Miami on a cheap deal and converted to a WR. Was a pleasant surprise.
WR6 Mack Collins - Also has worse hands than my cat.
WR7 Isiah Ford - Traded to NE for a 7th round pick, cut by NE, signed back to Dolphins PS, ended up starting multiple games at end of the season.
WR7 Malcom Perry - 7th round pick, also a college QB last year.


I read earlier, that just last week against Buffalo, the receivers dropped something like 9 catchable passes for 141 yards.



TE - Mike Gesicki - a very good pass catching TE. Of little use when Gailey insists on throwing 2 yard passes but started to build some chemistry with Tua and after a 2 TD game promptly got injured and carried this for the rest of the season.
TE - Smythe and Shaheen, usually blocking TEs, due to the dreadful WR core both ended up catching a lot of passes and played well!

RB1 - Doesn't exist.
RB2 - Gaskin and his college backup Ahmed. Both had good moments with limited talent. Both got injured. We also had statistically one of the worst running games in the league for much of the season, but both should play a role going forwards.
RB3 Matt Bredia - we traded for him during the draft, he was supposed to be split carries with Howard. Got injured and did next to nothing for the rest of the season. Something like 200 yards and 0 TDs.
RB 83- Jordan Howard. The previously mentioned pass catching cat might also be a better runner. Signed in free agency to be the starting RB, averaged 1 yard per carry, quickly became a healthy gameday inactive and was cut.

Not sure if all 4 guys combined for 1000 yards and 5 tds.

And as for the genius running the offense Chan Gailey? There is a reason why it seemed the entire Dolphins fanbase on twitter was celebrating the (fake) news that he was fired yesterday. It seemed strange from day 1 that this failed Jets and Bills coach was dragged out of long term retirement to coach the Dolphins. Yes he is Ryan Fitzpatrick's football soulmate, Fitz has been his starting QB for the 7 odd years in a row, but Fitz is now a 38 year old journeyman QB and everyone knew the Dolphins would leave the 2020 draft with a first round QB. He called two completely different game plans this year, one with Fitz and the other with Tua. He only turned away from 2 yard passes and pointless screens when the game was getting away from us and Flores forced him to change it. He had a QB who flourished in a fast paced, attacking College offense and this was his attitude:


While Flores has been the entire season standing on the sideline gesturing for more tempo on O. There was talk in the Miami media that the first time Tua was benched, this was because it was the only way Gailey would run the no huddle. I have no idea why Gailey was hired in the first place, I hated it from day 1. There has been whispers that when he is fired/suddenly decides to spend more time with his family, Miami could look at a serious OC like Bill O'Brien, which would be very exciting. Chan Gailey may have been a decent Dolphins OC in 2000, but the 2020 version was underwhelming. Flo has done so much right in Miami, this hire was terrible.


I am not saying Tua was perfect this year, he wasn't and I admit I expected more at times. He had bad throws like the one in buffalo last week which was far too high, and he also had unlucky moments like the pick 6 v Buffalo where Parker just fell over at the top of his route and was sitting on the floor looking up at the CB make the catch. Justin Herbert was incredibly impressive this season and has set a clear benchmark for the rest of the draft class - I see why many comparisons are being made on twitter.. But Herbert wasn't throwing to Isiah Ford and Mack Collins and whilst Anthony Lynn may have got fired, I doubt many Chargers fans will call for Chan Gailey to replace him.

Rather than the inevitable QB talk that the networks try to drive for the next 5 months, the Dolphins need to find an OC whos playbook isnt rooted in the 1980s, draft DeVonta Smith, find a dynamic running back and start to put some weapons around their young QB. Look how important Diggs has been for Josh Allen. Last year everyone thought we would take a first round RB and ended up with a backup slot corner. The offense lacks talent and investment at virtually every position. That must change, because when Tua does have some help, he does this:


Rant over. I am not objective, getting Tua was the QB draft of my dreams. But all this sudden talk about drafting a QB because of Tuas supposed lack of talent annoys me. WTF is Zach Wilson going to do throwing 2 yard passes to Mack Collins?
 
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Is that what you think, or do you just wanna see Brady lose another SB? :D
Hahaha if I had it my way Washington would hammer them first round!

I think Bucs have a great roster and run of form. Bills and Chiefs more of a tossup.
 

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I think Bills, Browns & Titans win in the AFC. Seahawks, Saints & Tampa in NFC.

If Ravens do lose, I think that makes Lamar 0-3 in the playoffs?! Might be some questions depending on how he performs.
It would just mean that he needs better receivers. The Ravens need to develop their passing game so that it forces opposing Ds to move resources into the secondary. Otherwise they just load the box and turn the Ravens into a one dimensional rushing team. As it stands, they have the worst passing game in the league, so maybe trading for or drafting one of two WR prospects may be in order.
 

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This is great from Riddick


The media is currently pushing a 'Dolphins should draft a new QB' narrative for clicks. Give me a fecking break.

Tua finished last season unable to walk. He had no offseaon. He had no preseason. He started the season on the bench, eventually took over as the starter - with an mediocre OC who only came out of retirement (after being fired by the rest of the division) because he fancied working with his best pal Fitz for a 7th season.

And you know what? He did fine for a rookie. He looked terrific some games, such as Arizona and KC, was ok in others and had a couple of rough games against Denver (Miami was not even close to ready for the what Fangio threw at us) and Buffalo - a game where we were beaten down on O, D and special teams where they scored a punt return TD.

Something that must also be remembered when piling on Tua. The offense he was working with:

WR1 Devante Parker - injured for much of the season. Has one really good season out of 6 in Miami.
WR2 Preston Williams - IR for most of the season, played one game with Tua and caught two TDs. Got hurt celebrating the TD.
WR3 Albert Wilson - Opted out for the season
WR4 Jakeem Grant - Has worse hands than my cat, dropped key passes and deep ball TDs in I believe 4 games in a row. Eventually went on IR
WR 5 Allen Hurns - Also opted out for the season
WR5 Lynn Bowden - College QB last year, drafted by the raiders as a RB, a month later traded to Miami on a cheap deal and converted to a WR. Was a pleasant surprise.
WR6 Mack Collins - Also has worse hands than my cat.
WR7 Isiah Ford - Traded to NE for a 7th round pick, cut by NE, signed back to Dolphins PS, ended up starting multiple games at end of the season.
WR7 Malcom Perry - 7th round pick, also a college QB last year.


I read earlier, that just last week against Buffalo, the receivers dropped something like 9 catchable passes for 141 yards.



TE - Mike Gesicki - a very good pass catching TE. Of little use when Gailey insists on throwing 2 yard passes but started to build some chemistry with Tua and after a 2 TD game promptly got injured and carried this for the rest of the season.
TE - Smythe and Shaheen, usually blocking TEs, due to the dreadful WR core both ended up catching a lot of passes and played well!

RB1 - Doesn't exist.
RB2 - Gaskin and his college backup Ahmed. Both had good moments with limited talent. Both got injured. We also had statistically one of the worst running games in the league for much of the season, but both should play a role going forwards.
RB3 Matt Bredia - we traded for him during the draft, he was supposed to be split carries with Howard. Got injured and did next to nothing for the rest of the season. Something like 200 yards and 0 TDs.
RB 83- Jordan Howard. The previously mentioned pass catching cat might also be a better runner. Signed in free agency to be the starting RB, averaged 1 yard per carry, quickly became a healthy gameday inactive and was cut.

Not sure if all 4 guys combined for 1000 yards and 5 tds.

And as for the genius running the offense Chan Gailey? There is a reason why it seemed the entire Dolphins fanbase on twitter was celebrating the (fake) news that he was fired yesterday. It seemed strange from day 1 that this failed Jets and Bills coach was dragged out of long term retirement to coach the Dolphins. Yes he is Ryan Fitzpatrick's football soulmate, Fitz has been his starting QB for the 7 odd years in a row, but Fitz is now a 38 year old journeyman QB and everyone knew the Dolphins would leave the 2020 draft with a first round QB. He called two completely different game plans this year, one with Fitz and the other with Tua. He only turned away from 2 yard passes and pointless screens when the game was getting away from us and Flores forced him to change it. He had a QB who flourished in a fast paced, attacking College offense and this was his attitude:


While Flores has been the entire season standing on the sideline gesturing for more tempo on O. There was talk in the Miami media that the first time Tua was benched, this was because it was the only way Gailey would run the no huddle. I have no idea why Gailey was hired in the first place, I hated it from day 1. There has been whispers that when he is fired/suddenly decides to spend more time with his family, Miami could look at a serious OC like Bill O'Brien, which would be very exciting. Chan Gailey may have been a decent Dolphins OC in 2000, but the 2020 version was underwhelming. Flo has done so much right in Miami, this hire was terrible.


I am not saying Tua was perfect this year, he wasn't and I admit I expected more at times. He had bad throws like the one in buffalo last week which was far too high, and he also had unlucky moments like the pick 6 v Buffalo where Parker just fell over at the top of his route and was sitting on the floor looking up at the CB make the catch. Justin Herbert was incredibly impressive this season and has set a clear benchmark for the rest of the draft class - I see why many comparisons are being made on twitter.. But Herbert wasn't throwing to Isiah Ford and Mack Collins and whilst Anthony Lynn may have got fired, I doubt many Chargers fans will call for Chan Gailey to replace him.

Rather than the inevitable QB talk that the networks try to drive for the next 5 months, the Dolphins need to find an OC whos playbook isnt rooted in the 1980s, draft DeVonta Smith, find a dynamic running back and start to put some weapons around their young QB. Look how important Diggs has been for Josh Allen. Last year everyone thought we would take a first round RB and ended up with a backup slot corner. The offense lacks talent and investment at virtually every position. That must change, because when Tua does have some help, he does this:


Rant over. I am not objective, getting Tua was the QB draft of my dreams. But all this sudden talk about drafting a QB because of Tuas supposed lack of talent annoys me. WTF is Zach Wilson going to do throwing 2 yard passes to Mack Collins?

Please tell me that you just copy pasted this from somewhere
 

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That's an unfortunate way to approach a playoff game. Though I suppose Washington are an unusual playoff team in general.

I wonder how far they can go, You have to root for Rivera making to the playoffs despite all these QB injuries...not to mention cancer.
 

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This is great from Riddick


The media is currently pushing a 'Dolphins should draft a new QB' narrative for clicks. Give me a fecking break.

Tua finished last season unable to walk. He had no offseaon. He had no preseason. He started the season on the bench, eventually took over as the starter - with an mediocre OC who only came out of retirement (after being fired by the rest of the division) because he fancied working with his best pal Fitz for a 7th season.

And you know what? He did fine for a rookie. He looked terrific some games, such as Arizona and KC, was ok in others and had a couple of rough games against Denver (Miami was not even close to ready for the what Fangio threw at us) and Buffalo - a game where we were beaten down on O, D and special teams where they scored a punt return TD.

Something that must also be remembered when piling on Tua. The offense he was working with:

WR1 Devante Parker - injured for much of the season. Has one really good season out of 6 in Miami.
WR2 Preston Williams - IR for most of the season, played one game with Tua and caught two TDs. Got hurt celebrating the TD.
WR3 Albert Wilson - Opted out for the season
WR4 Jakeem Grant - Has worse hands than my cat, dropped key passes and deep ball TDs in I believe 4 games in a row. Eventually went on IR
WR 5 Allen Hurns - Also opted out for the season
WR5 Lynn Bowden - College QB last year, drafted by the raiders as a RB, a month later traded to Miami on a cheap deal and converted to a WR. Was a pleasant surprise.
WR6 Mack Collins - Also has worse hands than my cat.
WR7 Isiah Ford - Traded to NE for a 7th round pick, cut by NE, signed back to Dolphins PS, ended up starting multiple games at end of the season.
WR7 Malcom Perry - 7th round pick, also a college QB last year.


I read earlier, that just last week against Buffalo, the receivers dropped something like 9 catchable passes for 141 yards.



TE - Mike Gesicki - a very good pass catching TE. Of little use when Gailey insists on throwing 2 yard passes but started to build some chemistry with Tua and after a 2 TD game promptly got injured and carried this for the rest of the season.
TE - Smythe and Shaheen, usually blocking TEs, due to the dreadful WR core both ended up catching a lot of passes and played well!

RB1 - Doesn't exist.
RB2 - Gaskin and his college backup Ahmed. Both had good moments with limited talent. Both got injured. We also had statistically one of the worst running games in the league for much of the season, but both should play a role going forwards.
RB3 Matt Bredia - we traded for him during the draft, he was supposed to be split carries with Howard. Got injured and did next to nothing for the rest of the season. Something like 200 yards and 0 TDs.
RB 83- Jordan Howard. The previously mentioned pass catching cat might also be a better runner. Signed in free agency to be the starting RB, averaged 1 yard per carry, quickly became a healthy gameday inactive and was cut.

Not sure if all 4 guys combined for 1000 yards and 5 tds.

And as for the genius running the offense Chan Gailey? There is a reason why it seemed the entire Dolphins fanbase on twitter was celebrating the (fake) news that he was fired yesterday. It seemed strange from day 1 that this failed Jets and Bills coach was dragged out of long term retirement to coach the Dolphins. Yes he is Ryan Fitzpatrick's football soulmate, Fitz has been his starting QB for the 7 odd years in a row, but Fitz is now a 38 year old journeyman QB and everyone knew the Dolphins would leave the 2020 draft with a first round QB. He called two completely different game plans this year, one with Fitz and the other with Tua. He only turned away from 2 yard passes and pointless screens when the game was getting away from us and Flores forced him to change it. He had a QB who flourished in a fast paced, attacking College offense and this was his attitude:


While Flores has been the entire season standing on the sideline gesturing for more tempo on O. There was talk in the Miami media that the first time Tua was benched, this was because it was the only way Gailey would run the no huddle. I have no idea why Gailey was hired in the first place, I hated it from day 1. There has been whispers that when he is fired/suddenly decides to spend more time with his family, Miami could look at a serious OC like Bill O'Brien, which would be very exciting. Chan Gailey may have been a decent Dolphins OC in 2000, but the 2020 version was underwhelming. Flo has done so much right in Miami, this hire was terrible.


I am not saying Tua was perfect this year, he wasn't and I admit I expected more at times. He had bad throws like the one in buffalo last week which was far too high, and he also had unlucky moments like the pick 6 v Buffalo where Parker just fell over at the top of his route and was sitting on the floor looking up at the CB make the catch. Justin Herbert was incredibly impressive this season and has set a clear benchmark for the rest of the draft class - I see why many comparisons are being made on twitter.. But Herbert wasn't throwing to Isiah Ford and Mack Collins and whilst Anthony Lynn may have got fired, I doubt many Chargers fans will call for Chan Gailey to replace him.

Rather than the inevitable QB talk that the networks try to drive for the next 5 months, the Dolphins need to find an OC whos playbook isnt rooted in the 1980s, draft DeVonta Smith, find a dynamic running back and start to put some weapons around their young QB. Look how important Diggs has been for Josh Allen. Last year everyone thought we would take a first round RB and ended up with a backup slot corner. The offense lacks talent and investment at virtually every position. That must change, because when Tua does have some help, he does this:


Rant over. I am not objective, getting Tua was the QB draft of my dreams. But all this sudden talk about drafting a QB because of Tuas supposed lack of talent annoys me. WTF is Zach Wilson going to do throwing 2 yard passes to Mack Collins?
Ignore the stories for at least 18 months. With the injuries, nobody to pass to and being a rookie there's no way he can be judged on anything at the moment. The coaches will know this.

It's no different from the crazy derogatory posts in the United forum when an 18 year old kid is brought into the first team and isn't the best player on the pitch as they just look at the hype beforehand.
 

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Not sure how many of you have the Athletic (I got it for a pound per month for 12 months..it's ok) but this article about Steve Gleason is worth a read

https://theathletic.com/2301281/202...-a-day-in-the-life?source=user-shared-article

9 years after his diagnosis he can't swallow nevermind speak or move, but he is still doing so much good with his life and helping so many people - more than I ever will and I walk and speak.

The guy is amazing
 

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Browns HC has Covid and will miss the teams first playoff game in 20 years. wow
 

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NFL should have considered a bubble for the post season with a 2 week gap in between
I don’t know if that’s doable. NFL rosters are gigantic and I imagine that the number of people travelling with the teams is therefor much higher than in the NBA.
 

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So Vikings news Kubiak is allegedly leaning toward retirement and Maalouf the SC won't be extended. Anthony Lynn, Clint Kubiak and Hue Jackson are supposed to be in the race for the OC position.

On the fantasy side, I wonder if Zimmer will be tempted to leave and if the Cowboys are still an option for him, he was supposed to be their #1 target last off season and he was allegedly seriously considering it.
 

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This is great from Riddick


The media is currently pushing a 'Dolphins should draft a new QB' narrative for clicks. Give me a fecking break.

Tua finished last season unable to walk. He had no offseaon. He had no preseason. He started the season on the bench, eventually took over as the starter - with an mediocre OC who only came out of retirement (after being fired by the rest of the division) because he fancied working with his best pal Fitz for a 7th season.

And you know what? He did fine for a rookie. He looked terrific some games, such as Arizona and KC, was ok in others and had a couple of rough games against Denver (Miami was not even close to ready for the what Fangio threw at us) and Buffalo - a game where we were beaten down on O, D and special teams where they scored a punt return TD.

Something that must also be remembered when piling on Tua. The offense he was working with:

WR1 Devante Parker - injured for much of the season. Has one really good season out of 6 in Miami.
WR2 Preston Williams - IR for most of the season, played one game with Tua and caught two TDs. Got hurt celebrating the TD.
WR3 Albert Wilson - Opted out for the season
WR4 Jakeem Grant - Has worse hands than my cat, dropped key passes and deep ball TDs in I believe 4 games in a row. Eventually went on IR
WR 5 Allen Hurns - Also opted out for the season
WR5 Lynn Bowden - College QB last year, drafted by the raiders as a RB, a month later traded to Miami on a cheap deal and converted to a WR. Was a pleasant surprise.
WR6 Mack Collins - Also has worse hands than my cat.
WR7 Isiah Ford - Traded to NE for a 7th round pick, cut by NE, signed back to Dolphins PS, ended up starting multiple games at end of the season.
WR7 Malcom Perry - 7th round pick, also a college QB last year.


I read earlier, that just last week against Buffalo, the receivers dropped something like 9 catchable passes for 141 yards.



TE - Mike Gesicki - a very good pass catching TE. Of little use when Gailey insists on throwing 2 yard passes but started to build some chemistry with Tua and after a 2 TD game promptly got injured and carried this for the rest of the season.
TE - Smythe and Shaheen, usually blocking TEs, due to the dreadful WR core both ended up catching a lot of passes and played well!

RB1 - Doesn't exist.
RB2 - Gaskin and his college backup Ahmed. Both had good moments with limited talent. Both got injured. We also had statistically one of the worst running games in the league for much of the season, but both should play a role going forwards.
RB3 Matt Bredia - we traded for him during the draft, he was supposed to be split carries with Howard. Got injured and did next to nothing for the rest of the season. Something like 200 yards and 0 TDs.
RB 83- Jordan Howard. The previously mentioned pass catching cat might also be a better runner. Signed in free agency to be the starting RB, averaged 1 yard per carry, quickly became a healthy gameday inactive and was cut.

Not sure if all 4 guys combined for 1000 yards and 5 tds.

And as for the genius running the offense Chan Gailey? There is a reason why it seemed the entire Dolphins fanbase on twitter was celebrating the (fake) news that he was fired yesterday. It seemed strange from day 1 that this failed Jets and Bills coach was dragged out of long term retirement to coach the Dolphins. Yes he is Ryan Fitzpatrick's football soulmate, Fitz has been his starting QB for the 7 odd years in a row, but Fitz is now a 38 year old journeyman QB and everyone knew the Dolphins would leave the 2020 draft with a first round QB. He called two completely different game plans this year, one with Fitz and the other with Tua. He only turned away from 2 yard passes and pointless screens when the game was getting away from us and Flores forced him to change it. He had a QB who flourished in a fast paced, attacking College offense and this was his attitude:


While Flores has been the entire season standing on the sideline gesturing for more tempo on O. There was talk in the Miami media that the first time Tua was benched, this was because it was the only way Gailey would run the no huddle. I have no idea why Gailey was hired in the first place, I hated it from day 1. There has been whispers that when he is fired/suddenly decides to spend more time with his family, Miami could look at a serious OC like Bill O'Brien, which would be very exciting. Chan Gailey may have been a decent Dolphins OC in 2000, but the 2020 version was underwhelming. Flo has done so much right in Miami, this hire was terrible.


I am not saying Tua was perfect this year, he wasn't and I admit I expected more at times. He had bad throws like the one in buffalo last week which was far too high, and he also had unlucky moments like the pick 6 v Buffalo where Parker just fell over at the top of his route and was sitting on the floor looking up at the CB make the catch. Justin Herbert was incredibly impressive this season and has set a clear benchmark for the rest of the draft class - I see why many comparisons are being made on twitter.. But Herbert wasn't throwing to Isiah Ford and Mack Collins and whilst Anthony Lynn may have got fired, I doubt many Chargers fans will call for Chan Gailey to replace him.

Rather than the inevitable QB talk that the networks try to drive for the next 5 months, the Dolphins need to find an OC whos playbook isnt rooted in the 1980s, draft DeVonta Smith, find a dynamic running back and start to put some weapons around their young QB. Look how important Diggs has been for Josh Allen. Last year everyone thought we would take a first round RB and ended up with a backup slot corner. The offense lacks talent and investment at virtually every position. That must change, because when Tua does have some help, he does this:


Rant over. I am not objective, getting Tua was the QB draft of my dreams. But all this sudden talk about drafting a QB because of Tuas supposed lack of talent annoys me. WTF is Zach Wilson going to do throwing 2 yard passes to Mack Collins?
Fecking hell :lol:
 

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So what is everyone's thinking on the HOF finalists? Surely Manning, Woodson and Megatron are locks right? After that, its a little more tricky, although, as a Raider, if coach Flores doesn't get in this time, its beyond a travesty. I'd personally vote in Reggie Wayne & Zach Thomas, but you could definitely make a case for all of them.
 

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So what is everyone's thinking on the HOF finalists? Surely Manning, Woodson and Megatron are locks right? After that, its a little more tricky, although, as a Raider, if coach Flores doesn't get in this time, its beyond a travesty. I'd personally vote in Reggie Wayne & Zach Thomas, but you could definitely make a case for all of them.
So weird to see Woodson and especially Megatron in that list. They were amongst the biggest stars when I started watching. Feeling old now.
By the way, Calvin Johnson is still my personal benchmark for all receivers. Nobody could stop that guy. Such a shame he had to waste his career in Detroit.
 

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Reggie Wayne's stats are way more impressive than I thought they would be. He never stood out to me when he played.
 

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I can admit I know very little of OL play, but Faneca not being in seems to be a bit weird. The guy is held up as one of, if not the best, guards to ever play. Six times first team All-Pro.
 

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My five would be:
- Jared Allen
- Alan Faneca
- Calvin Johnson
- Peyton Manning
- Charles Woodson

Didn't really watch a couple of the finalists from the modern-era, but from those I did, the above are easy picks.

Sharpe not even being on the candidate list is a disgrace.
 

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Calvin Johnson was on All The Smoke podcast with Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson recently - nothing groundbreaking but interesting nonetheless for those interested. Travis Kelce, too.

Patrick Willis is also not included in the HOF nominees, which seems ridiculous.
 

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Calvin Johnson was on All The Smoke podcast with Matt Barnes and Stephen Jackson recently - nothing groundbreaking but interesting nonetheless for those interested. Travis Kelce, too.

Patrick Willis is also not included in the HOF nominees, which seems ridiculous.
Didn't realise he was even eligible. That's an obvious oversight, product of the institution though. Run by old white sticklers.
 

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I can admit I know very little of OL play, but Faneca not being in seems to be a bit weird. The guy is held up as one of, if not the best, guards to ever play. Six times first team All-Pro.
I don't think that I have ever heard anyone mention Faneca as the best guard to ever play. He is below someone like McDaniels.
 

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I don't think that I have ever heard anyone mention Faneca as the best guard to ever play. He is below someone like McDaniels.
He's meant to be on the same level according to folk in the know. Hannah being the 'Montana' of guards so to speak.
 

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My five would be:
- Jared Allen
- Alan Faneca
- Calvin Johnson
- Peyton Manning
- Charles Woodson

Didn't really watch a couple of the finalists from the modern-era, but from those I did, the above are easy picks.

Sharpe not even being on the candidate list is a disgrace.
Which Sharpe?
 

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He's meant to be on the same level according to folk in the know. Hannah being the 'Montana' of guards so to speak.
It depends on how you create tiers but let's say that we use the first All pro as you did, McDaniels had 9 and he isn't even considered the best. The point being that it's a bit of an over statement to suggest that Faneca is the best ever.
 

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It depends on how you create tiers but let's say that we use the first All pro as you did, McDaniels had 9 and he isn't even considered the best. The point being that it's a bit of an over statement to suggest that Faneca is the best ever.
Again, not clued up on OL play, just going by what I have read.
 

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Yeah, I was listening to a podcast last off season and one of the topic was how it would be difficult for some WR to get into it particularly when they played in the same era than clearly better players in their position, iirc Steve Smith Sr and Megatron were the names that started the conversation.
Sharpe probably should be an hall of famer because his records are impressive but when you are sandwiched between the likes of Jerry Rice or Cris Carter and also have a short career, things can get difficult. And he doesn't have a ring to compensate.
 
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