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SARS CoV-2 coronavirus / Covid-19 (No tin foil hat silliness please)
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One clap = one prayer.
I'm confused by a lot of things, in part the reaction of the public naysayer tinfoil brigade who would rather believe that the Government's of the World (including Israel, India, New Zealand and Taiwan) are conducting mass gene therapy on us all for some 1984'esque reasoning than think a virus which was kept under wraps from the Country of origin has caused a pandemic on a World Wide scale...
Can someone shed some light, I'm not pretending to be that knowledgeable on Politics and Socioeconomics but...
Communism was born from the idea of shared ownership and goes hand in hand with liberalism and state theory then how is the most communist country in the World, North Korea, then seen as one of the most restricted dictatorships?
Also, people who voted Tory are now complaining about the lockdowns being anti-freedom and that we're now in a dictatorial state. Yet they forget they voted the Tory's in via an act of democracy, maybe they should have asked what the Tory's manifesto on pandemics was?
It seems a lot of people who didn't vote Tory (and are fairly liberal) aren't complaining about the lockdown at all, if anything they're more likely to be adhering whether that's because of an understanding that in not doing so will harm others? This seems odd to me because I'd consider lockdowns and house arrests as a rather right-wing policy.
So the Tory voting tinfoils want freedom and liberalism yet the liberal voting freethinkers don't care about having right-wing policies thrust upon them? I'm confused.
(I'm taking my data from the Daily Heil's website comments section here which overwhelming are against the Government's stance with a lot calling for an overthrowing of the Government)
I've read that Liberal states such as Korea and Taiwan have handled it so well because of their experiences with Sars in the past. The public of there are more willing to accept restrictions. So, is this a case of the British public needing to come to a similar understanding? That regardless of how free a country is at some point you need to make sacrifices for others.
I'd dare say those protesting would have been doing so during the Blitz when we had blockouts and curfews.
Can someone shed some light, I'm not pretending to be that knowledgeable on Politics and Socioeconomics but...
Communism was born from the idea of shared ownership and goes hand in hand with liberalism and state theory then how is the most communist country in the World, North Korea, then seen as one of the most restricted dictatorships?
Also, people who voted Tory are now complaining about the lockdowns being anti-freedom and that we're now in a dictatorial state. Yet they forget they voted the Tory's in via an act of democracy, maybe they should have asked what the Tory's manifesto on pandemics was?
It seems a lot of people who didn't vote Tory (and are fairly liberal) aren't complaining about the lockdown at all, if anything they're more likely to be adhering whether that's because of an understanding that in not doing so will harm others? This seems odd to me because I'd consider lockdowns and house arrests as a rather right-wing policy.
So the Tory voting tinfoils want freedom and liberalism yet the liberal voting freethinkers don't care about having right-wing policies thrust upon them? I'm confused.
(I'm taking my data from the Daily Heil's website comments section here which overwhelming are against the Government's stance with a lot calling for an overthrowing of the Government)
I've read that Liberal states such as Korea and Taiwan have handled it so well because of their experiences with Sars in the past. The public of there are more willing to accept restrictions. So, is this a case of the British public needing to come to a similar understanding? That regardless of how free a country is at some point you need to make sacrifices for others.
I'd dare say those protesting would have been doing so during the Blitz when we had blockouts and curfews.
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Not good. But expected, I guess.
Over a thousand deaths? Thats crazy...
Can this number be attributed to some latency with figures maybe? Seems a massive jump from the 600ish we have been seeing.
Could it be attributed to the pressure that frontline workers are under - the level of care just isn't there anymore maybe?
Can this number be attributed to some latency with figures maybe? Seems a massive jump from the 600ish we have been seeing.
Could it be attributed to the pressure that frontline workers are under - the level of care just isn't there anymore maybe?
Johnson doesn't look like he can really be bothered anymore. He always wanted to be PM, but he's famously workshy. Now that he's ticked that box (and got a Brexit 'deal'), he'll not stick around too long I wouldn't think. Tories will replace him with Sunak/Raab/Gove and call a snap general election while the new leader is still in the honeymoon period.
I posted that this would happen this week on Sunday. It was clear as day.
I think it may quite easily rise to 1300-1400 when we're nearer the peak.
More young people requiring hospitalizations mean less space in areas that offer more technical and invasive oxygen delivery systems. Alas, this unfortunately means that the priority will be given to the younger people and the decision to palliate the older patients will become more prominent.
There's no need to be confused, you're just overthining it. I would suggest to you that people more likely to vote Tory are generally more selfish. Make your peace with that and you'll understand why they're not so arsed about people that aren't themselves dying.
The scary thing is if this new strain takes hold of more regions we could hit 2-3k deaths per day.
Hospital admissions have crossed 3k, almost matching the highest peak in April and this could be just the beginning.
Hospital admissions have crossed 3k, almost matching the highest peak in April and this could be just the beginning.
Apparently he's going to quit in six months anyway. Wish he'd just go now.
Will people on here do this out of interest? If there's ever a best example for the hypernormalisation thread it's this nonsense in my view.
All the complicated issues and governmental incompetence and cronyism boiled down to a shared conformity event where people clap at a scheduled time. If this had stayed in China and you witnessed such actions by the Chinese people you'd rightly think it was mental.
Nope, i'll be showing my appreciation for the NHS the way i always have by not voting for the party that constantly underfunds it.
Apart from Yorkshire and Humber hospitalisations for over 85's are dropping in every region and sharply in the East.
I don't want to jump to conclusion's but that is very promising.
I don't want to jump to conclusion's but that is very promising.
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Probably because there’s only a finite amount of them surely?
Most are either shielding or have sadly already perished you’d think?
Yet they don't get a pay rise. Seems an empty gesture.
Gove strikes me as an ineffective version of Goebbels.
About 25% of the over 85s have had one dose of vaccination already, so I think the correlation is showing promising signs in hospitalisation rates.
Maybe, but they all drop at around the same time, hopefully it's not a coincidence.
They're pretty strange metrics to use. Picking a two week period without looking at volume of tests administered and not accounting for population when looking at deaths.
That's not saying the UK is doing well of course.
I can't believe our borders are open during this critical phase.
You almost have to admire Farage's utter commitment to grifting.
Kind of wish broadcasters would coordinate their efforts to get this kind of footage in front of as many eyes as possible - heck, air it straight after a national address from the Prime Minister.
The wilful ignorance on display from some sections of the population has cost life after life after life.
They’ve got very mixed results from just 11 samples, so I wouldn’t be getting too worries. Yet. Worst case we end up with an influenza situation, with annual boosters specific to whatever strain is on the increase. It’s also interesting that for some of the samples they compare the response to the immunity we get to measles. Which is lifelong protection from a single infection or vaccine.
It was sobering to watch at 6pm.
4k deaths in the US yesterday.. first day over 4k?
Yes, according to Worldometers highest number of cases and deaths. It will rise.
Oh, yes.
By the end of May there should be 22 million vaccinated, over two thirds of the eligible population. By August everybody should be done. As long as there are no curveballs in the meantime i'd say you'll be able to fly by then.
You can usually take anything the Italian government says with a pinch of salt, but so far the vaccination programme is going well.
Ideal thanks for your reply.
I've decided to go for it, hopefully it's a similar song to what you've described elsewhere round Europe as I'm hoping to do interailing from Rome/Naples.
https://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/parents-working-jaguar-land-rover-19573368
JLR refusing to pay parents who need to take time off to look after their kids while the schools have been closed.
JLR refusing to pay parents who need to take time off to look after their kids while the schools have been closed.
Isn't this what every company does? Our dependant leave certainly isn't paid.
During an enforced lockdown is a bit of a different matter
They have to option to furlough staff though and aren’t taking it.
How in the hell are JLR workers "critical" workers? The current situation with the virus is way worse than where we were in March, but the government response is so full of holes, even calling it half-arsed would be excessively complimentary. It's like a 16th of an arse. Maybe just the anus. It's an anus response.