Fernandinho's Munich air disaster twitter post?

[Bertie Wooster]

What I mean is they'd have to prove or have good reason to believe he was referencing Munich. The fact that it was emojis and not words makes his tweet quite ambiguous.

I can't imagine anything will come of this.

Oh, I'm certain nothing will come of it. I'd be amazed if it did.

But not because there's anything substantially different between the Cavani and Fernandinho tweets. Both should have merited the same punishment - be it an apology being deemed sufficient due to lack of provable intent; or a 3 match being applied due to proof of intent being deemed unnecessary.

However the differing reaction of the media, and the subject matters, means that one might allow some common sense and context to be applied by the FA, while the other they were unduly pressurised into banning despite making it as clear as possible in the statement that they believed him innocent of any malicious intent.

 

[FizzyWomack]

What an absolute cnut. That simply cannot be a coincidence, the emojis says it all.

He cant get away with that.

City fan here. I’m 2 years younger than Fernandinho, grew up in Manchester among a lot of big reds, ST holder and Maine Road and The Etihad, and I would not have been able to tell you the day in February that is the anniversary of the Munich Air Disaster. I know that it was in February 1958, but I would not know it is the 6th. Same as I know WW2 ended in 1945, but wouldn’t be able to give you the dates of VE and VJ day. While Feb 6th is a date widely known among United’s fanbase, I don’t think it’s something widely known after the fact.

I agree that Fernandinho is an arse of an opponent on the pitch, but there is simply no way that a City captain uses those emojis knowingly - especially when you take into account the corresponding pictures which show him winning an aerial battle.

I will not deny the morons in our fanbase who think it is something to celebrate, but the club itself has only ever mourned with and supported United.

Why did Fernandinho delete the tweet? Because someone at City informed him on the very unfortunate coincidence. If he tweeted that photo with those emojis any other day of the year, it goes completely unnoticed (which is how it differentiates from Cavani’s tweet, which I’m not passing judgement on).

You can campaign for him to be banned all you like, but you can’t also be angry about the Cavani ban if you succeed.

What the feck has this got to do with the Cavani ban? Your player made a very big mistake with this tweet,I dont see how you can defend him.

Forget the date, everyone knows what happened with our Munich team, those emojis are clearly mocking a fecking plane crash.

 

[paraguayo]

What are the chances a quiet Brazilian who seems religious (despite his playing style etc) is mocking a disaster where people died.. Like come on guys...

 

[Grylte]

He posted this the 6th of february, and has lived in Manchester for several years now, and people think it's coincidence?
Really?
No fecking way.

 

[FizzyWomack]

What are the chances a quiet Brazilian who seems religious (despite his playing style etc) is mocking a disaster where people died.. Like come on guys...

What are the chances the BBC let a charity worker molest children for years and years?

Also, quiet people cant be cnuts now? Jog on.

 

[Withnail]

Oh, I'm certain nothing will come of it. I'd be amazed if it did.

But not because there's anything substantially different between the Cavani and Fernandinho tweets. Both should have merited the same punishment - be it an apology being deemed sufficient due to lack of provable intent; or a 3 match being applied due to proof of intent being deemed unnecessary.

However the differing reaction of the media, and the subject matters, means that one might allow some common sense and context to be applied by the FA, while the other they were unduly pressurised into banning despite making it as clear as possible in the statement that they believed him innocent of any malicious intent.

If you don't see that the cases are substantial different I'm not sure what else to say.

And as for claiming the FA were pressured into banning Cavani, give over. I knew he'd be banned as soon as I saw what he'd written.

 

[cvb]

Coincidence my arse

What else does the tweet mean?
Not knowing what date is a poor deflection tactic. Articles about the anniversary are frequent all week

Its poor from your player. Mocking death is just lower than a snakes belly.

So you seriously believe that Fernandinho’s hatred toward United is so deep-seated that when he learned about the disaster, he conspired with the official City photographers to take these photos so that he could subtly mock it on Twitter?

 

[The Boy]

I don't think it's comparable with Cavani situation as the FA has clear rules on posts that are deemed to "reference, whether express or implied to colour and/or race and/or ethnic origin."

But that doesn't mean Fernandinho shouldn't be punished, at best this is a stupid and insensitive mistake at worst it is pure incitement and football rivalry at its worst.

On another note, I remember being at OT for Man Utd vs Leeds, back in the early 2000s and all I could hear was Leeds fans chanting Munich for 90 minutes and United fans chanting back "Who's that lying on the pavement , who's that lying on the floor, it's Leeds United shite, who don't know how to fight and you won't be singing Munich any more!"

 

[Bebe]

Based on the sheer absurdity I'm inclined to think unfortunate accident.

 

[Karel Podolsky]

Emojis of a plane followed by an explosion on the anniversary of the Munich air disaster. He could've posted this on any other day. Ignorance is not an excuse for someone who has been in Manchester for as long as he has.

How anyone can interpret that other than mocking the above tragedy lives in cloud cuckoo land and needs to be brought back to reality.

Not true. It's an explosion emoji, followed by a ball emoji, followed by plane emoji then smile emoji.
Two pics of him scored a header (?) And plane celebration.

 

[Bebestation]

Even if it isnt Munich air disaster people have lost lives by bombs on aeroplanes.

No need for him to do this. If cavanis innocent words offended people then this should too.

 

[calodo2003]

What are the chances a quiet Brazilian who seems religious (despite his playing style etc) is mocking a disaster where people died.. Like come on guys...

The feck does being religious have to do with it? Religious people can’t act like right cnuts? Weak argument.

 

[Classical Mechanic]

Doubt there's anything in this.

 

[thepolice123]

Even if it isnt Munich air disaster people have lost lives by bombs on aeroplanes.

No need for him to do this. If cavanis innocent words offended people then this should too.

What?

 

[wolvored]

I haven't seen it but would he even know about it? I was mentioning it on Saturday to my friends son on the phone who is a baggies fan 22 and he didn't know about it. A lot of years have passed and unless your a Utd fan the date wouldn't stick out. For example Hysell or Hillsboro I can't remember the exact date. Younger folks probably never heard of Hysell. Sorry if spelling incorrect.

 

[Grande]

Tbh, I wish half the people contributing in this thread took a week (no, not a second) to really ponder the question: How do I know if I would be part of a lynch mob or not?

If you find yourself arguing vehemently that (Blast)(Ball)(Plane)(Laughing smiley)+picture of winning a header and picture of the plane celebration CAN IN NO POSSIBLE WORLD mean ‘I scored a cracking goal with a flying header, me who has almost never scored a header in my career!’ ...

If you were vehemently against Cavani being punished for ‘offence regardless of intent’, and now vehemently want the FA to use his punishment as a precedent for all future cases ...

If you have spent your whole adult life reading watcing your particular sports team, reading historical background and talking with people obsessed with the same sports club, and you cannot believe other people with no particular interest in this sports club have not memorized dates of events concerning this sports club that took place in a different continent, thirty years before you were born ...

... then you might have a good chance of finding yourself in a lynch mob one day, under unfortunate circumstances.

 

[Jeppers7]

Hearing a lot about the date and he wouldn’t know. You don’t have to know months in advance. I know when the anniversary of Hillsborough is on the day...every year because it’s in the media. I know roughly when it is.

This guy plays for a club who’s fanbase, generally and majorityly call us Munich’s. Not a minority, it’s just what they call us in normal speak. It’s what we are to them...the Munich’s. “Went in this pub but it was full of Munich’s” etc etc. There’s enough reference of it around that club that, to be honest, posting that tweet in the middle of august would be ill advised. Posting it on the day of the disaster? Ignorance is not an excuse. The disaster is part of the culture of the city of Manchester. It’s prevalent in that club.

Has there been a statement from club and player yet ?

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Religious people can’t act like right cnuts?

The question is how likely it is that this guy - or anyone on his SM team - would intentionally post an exceptionally cnutish message on Twitter. There doesn't seem to be anything remotely like a precedent here. His Twitter account is bland as feck, nothing controversial, no attempts at banter - just generic drivel of the sort associated with most players (who clearly don't operate these accounts themselves).

 

[Chesterlestreet]

Has there been a statement from club and player yet ?

Both United and City have apparently declined to comment.

Presumably because they don't think there's anything to comment on here - as in: he obviously wasn't referring to Munich, move on.

 

[NicolaSacco]

Wow, just reading through the posts since yesterday. Almost no reference to the people who would be most upset by this (relatives, survivors, witnesses etc), and a focus almost entirely on either how much punishment he should get even if it was coincidental/wasn’t him who posted it, or how much we need to somehow equalise what happened with Cavani (the most bizarre angle so far, utterly irrelevant to Munich).
I’d go so far as to say the majority of posters making those points are simply jumping at the chance to bash a superior City team that they are either angry or jealous of, and are happy to use the memories of Munich to stoke those fires.

 

[Jeppers7]

Wow, just reading through the posts since yesterday. Almost no reference to the people who would be most upset by this (relatives, survivors, witnesses etc), and a focus almost entirely on either how much punishment he should get even if it was coincidental/wasn’t him who posted it, or how much we need to somehow equalise what happened with Cavani (the most bizarre angle so far, utterly irrelevant to Munich).
I’d go so far as to say the majority of posters making those points are simply jumping at the chance to bash a superior City team that they are either angry or jealous of, and are happy to use the memories of Munich to stoke those fires.

I don’t disagree with your post. Surprised me to hear talk of a ban. I mentioned relatives and survivors in my post earlier in the thread. It’s what this is about. Not getting a ban because Cavani did.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

What are the chances a quiet Brazilian who seems religious

feck me, he believes in a sky fairy, must be a good bloke.
It’s a shame that Bin Ladin bloke wasn’t religious.

 

[calodo2003]

feck me, he believes in a sky fairy, must be a good bloke.
It’s a shame that Bin Ladin bloke wasn’t religious.

Apparently adhering to marshaling one’s life through a fairy tale keeps people from being cnuts.

 

[Zlatan 7]

Tbh, I wish half the people contributing in this thread took a week (no, not a second) to really ponder the question: How do I know if I would be part of a lynch mob or not?

If you find yourself arguing vehemently that (Blast)(Ball)(Plane)(Laughing smiley)+picture of winning a header and picture of the plane celebration CAN IN NO POSSIBLE WORLD mean ‘I scored a cracking goal with a flying header, me who has almost never scored a header in my career!’ ...

If you were vehemently against Cavani being punished for ‘offence regardless of intent’, and now vehemently want the FA to use his punishment as a precedent for all future cases ...

If you have spent your whole adult life reading watcing your particular sports team, reading historical background and talking with people obsessed with the same sports club, and you cannot believe other people with no particular interest in this sports club have not memorized dates of events concerning this sports club that took place in a different continent, thirty years before you were born ...

... then you might have a good chance of finding yourself in a lynch mob one day, under unfortunate circumstances.

This not knowing the date is nonsense. It’s all over social media and internet in the week leading up to it. It’s not as if he was asked a question in the summer about when was the Munich disaster.

As has been said in this thread his account is run by a social media team, and if you can’t see that a plane, explosion and laughing emoji has never been used in a tweet before but is used around the time of Munich memories and can’t see that as more than a coincidence and not some city runt having a sly ambiguous Dig that can’t be proven, then I’d say you’re just as likely as getting caught putting your head in the sand over an incident as a lynch mob would possibly form over

 

[Zlatan 7]

Wow, just reading through the posts since yesterday. Almost no reference to the people who would be most upset by this (relatives, survivors, witnesses etc), and a focus almost entirely on either how much punishment he should get even if it was coincidental/wasn’t him who posted it, or how much we need to somehow equalise what happened with Cavani (the most bizarre angle so far, utterly irrelevant to Munich).
I’d go so far as to say the majority of posters making those points are simply jumping at the chance to bash a superior City team that they are either angry or jealous of, and are happy to use the memories of Munich to stoke those fires.

Grow up

 

[Zlatan 7]

Both United and City have apparently declined to comment.

Presumably because they don't think there's anything to comment on here - as in: he obviously wasn't referring to Munich, move on.

Whether he meant it or not is irrelevant and no one really knows. What we do know is he’s brought the game into disrepute and caused offence on the anniversary of a tragedy.

Would Man Utd possibly be waiting to see what the FA or city come up with before commenting?

 

[YAMS49]

I’d go so far as to say the majority of posters making those points are simply jumping at the chance to bash a superior City team that they are either angry or jealous of, and are happy to use the memories of Munich to stoke those fires.

Utter rubbish.

 

[WR]

Even if it isnt Munich air disaster people have lost lives by bombs on aeroplanes.

Spot on mate. Did you not see what he posted on the 7th Jan? Incredibly bad taste considering people have been killed by stray darts before. Should never post anything with the bullseye emoji without knowing the offence it could cause.

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[NicolaSacco]

Utter rubbish.

Look back through the quotes. See how many mentions of Cavani are on a thread with nothing to do with Cavani. See how many mentions of the victims there are on a thread that should be entirely to do with the tragedy. It's easy to call something rubbish, doesn't make you right though.

 

[amolbhatia50k]

Wow, just reading through the posts since yesterday. Almost no reference to the people who would be most upset by this (relatives, survivors, witnesses etc), and a focus almost entirely on either how much punishment he should get even if it was coincidental/wasn’t him who posted it, or how much we need to somehow equalise what happened with Cavani (the most bizarre angle so far, utterly irrelevant to Munich).
I’d go so far as to say the majority of posters making those points are simply jumping at the chance to bash a superior City team that they are either angry or jealous of, and are happy to use the memories of Munich to stoke those fires.

You should say less

 

[WR]

This not knowing the date is nonsense. It’s all over social media and internet in the week leading up to it. It’s not as if he was asked a question in the summer about when was the Munich disaster.

No it’s not. I didn’t hear see anything about Munich or was aware of the day until an hour or so before the match. It doesn’t get mentioned in the news, it’s not talked about outside of the football bubble. It was a long time ago. Not everyone is a United fan or uses social media frequently.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Incredibly bad taste considering people have been killed by stray darts before.

Source?

 

[Raees]

Inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Doesn't seem the type of guy who would deliberately set out to take the piss out of the Munich Air Disaster.

 

[YAMS49]

Look back through the quotes. See how many mentions of Cavani are on a thread with nothing to do with Cavani. See how many mentions of the victims there are on a thread that should be entirely to do with the tragedy. It's easy to call something rubbish, doesn't make you right though.

Now two for two, keep it up.

 

[Zlatan 7]

No it’s not. I didn’t hear see anything about Munich or was aware of the day until an hour or so before the match. It doesn’t get mentioned in the news, it’s not talked about outside of the football bubble. It was a long time ago. Not everyone is a United fan or uses social media frequently.

I did

 

[horsechoker]

Even if it isnt Munich air disaster people have lost lives by bombs on aeroplanes.

No need for him to do this. If cavanis innocent words offended people then this should too.

This would be going too far, so anything referencing a bomb or plane could be offensive?

Let's get Tom Jones arrested for sex bomb

 

[duffer]

There's no way a top pro in his mid 30s would openly mock the Munich air disaster on twitter.

Even if he was a complete and utter twat, the level of stupidity it would take to deliberately post it is inconceivable.

 

[Regulus Arcturus Black]

Let's get Tom Jones arrested for sex bomb

Tom Jones should have gotten arrested for that.

 

[Zlatan 7]

Inclined to give him the benefit of the doubt. Doesn't seem the type of guy who would deliberately set out to take the piss out of the Munich Air Disaster.

But I’ve been led to believe that account is not run by him, so I’d be inclined to belive some spotty faced little Scrote is trying to be clever

 

[Zlatan 7]

There's no way a top pro in his mid 30s would openly mock the Munich air disaster on twitter.

Even if he was a complete and utter twat, the level of stupidity it would take to deliberately post it is inconceivable.

Again, its been pointed out it’s run by other people whether that’s true or not