The FA should have started their own campaign instead of aligning themselves with an openly far-left political movement in the US. I know they have distanced themselves from it now but the BLM brand is still ever present during Premier League broadcasts. And those on the left who think it is only about the moral cause should ask themselves and be honest if they would still be supporting the movement if they were advocating for more traditionally liberal/conservative causes such as a flat tax or abolishment of minimum wages (instead of defunding the police for example) on top of the anti-racism.
As Rugby refuses to take the knee, is it time the Premier League stopped too?
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"These clocks show the all the times Sky Sports told me to not be racist! I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!"
If we really want to get racism out of this society we have to do things that matters. If Premier League think they can stop it by only taking a knee they are wrong. Give money to society. To schools. To social workers. To other education places. To people who really can affect and take care of this problem on micro level.
I think you should let other sports like Rugby carry out their own thing and it’s not for other sports to police each other.
Rugby’s most recent social issue has been around homosexuality with idiots like Israel Folau going around saying gay people should burn in hell, high profile players like Gareth Thomas coming out as gay and David Pocock being pro gay rights... so I don’t think Rugby is shunning the racism issue.
Rugby’s most recent social issue has been around homosexuality with idiots like Israel Folau going around saying gay people should burn in hell, high profile players like Gareth Thomas coming out as gay and David Pocock being pro gay rights... so I don’t think Rugby is shunning the racism issue.
Bruh?
The sheer fact this thread has been created shows both the reason it’s needed and the reason it does have an effect, even if it it just a gesture. The very fact people are talking about it is good.
Unfortunately most people are pretty cemented in their views though, and I’ve no idea how that could be changed.
Unfortunately most people are pretty cemented in their views though, and I’ve no idea how that could be changed.
I think that's a bit of a straw man. From what I've seen, certainly here on the forum, BLM support is about anti-racism, not about the political views of the various BLM organizations.
I'll add that, in my view, the intersectionality with leftist economical views is actually natural, since racialized populations are overrepresented in lower income classes in countries like the UK and the US (and Canada). It therefore makes sense to view anti-racist action as not being just about combating race-based discrimination (well, racism), but also about reducing income and wealth inequities. But again, that angle rarely comes up, and I really don't see why you would think that's included in a lot of people's support for BLM. (Which for most people is just a slogan, not an organization.)
If only the fans didn't batter a black player each time he does something wrong.
So it’s a good thing (less racism) vs a shitty thing (no min wage)? This is what it tends to come down to with left and right. Good effects on the vast majority of people vs shitty ones, and that’s why people refuse to take those views on board.
That’s why people get behind leftist movements - because they tend to be for the benefit of the people, instead of constantly shitting on us and actively making things worse.
The PL and the English F.A don't really care about fighting racism, for them it's mostly about P.R tbh
How do you know anything about what I do? Don’t try to shift the focus on me, it’s your ignorant thread not mine.
there Is direct action happening, what is wrong with footballers at every game highlighting the issue further and showing they are all United in the fight against racism? Get behind the movement instead of trying to shame it
my personal opinion is that football games are full of absolutely disgusting chants and language.
for being arguably the biggest sport in the world it’s doing an absolutely appalling job on tackling racism.
edit: here is the best way to put by Odegaard
Quick answer to those who asks what bending the knee does:
Tons of impressionable kids see their heroes all agree that racism has no place in their football family, and they are reminded about that every game they watch.
I suggest you save it somewhere and read whenever you’re about to watch a match
Has that poster kept count of the amount of times there has been a mention of black life matters? Keen to know the tally at old Trafford.
Or get hundreds of thousands of poor kids fed against Tory opposition?
What a clusterfeck of a thread.
Racism is a bit like covid. You don't reduce it with a single thing but with a comprehensive range of measures. Just because wearing masks in the absence of any other measure won't control covid, taking a knee alone won't stop racism. But both play a part in the scheme of things.
Racism is a bit like covid. You don't reduce it with a single thing but with a comprehensive range of measures. Just because wearing masks in the absence of any other measure won't control covid, taking a knee alone won't stop racism. But both play a part in the scheme of things.
Train wreck of a thread. Imagine thinking that saying racist things to unsettle a black player doesn’t make you a racist in this day and age....my god.
We've literally got Hatred and United Against Racism covering our seats. That's them trying to brainwash me not to be racist in average every 0.1 seconds.
If you lose sleep over athletes opposing racism for 5 seconds before events you should work with yourself. Most of the ones complaining behave as if they're wholeheartedly against racism themselves. So, if you're not actually racist, what exactly is causing you discomfort? The 5 second wait? It can't be that. Is it that you don't think the ritual is working effectively enough towards its goal to reduce racism? Do you want me to believe that you're in 100 percent agreement with the message they're sending, but the way they're going about it with the knee and all finds you so wrong that it essentially overpowers the importance of the intended moral message?
If I thought racism was a myth I'd be against the ritual myself. If you don't think it's a myth, then why do you want it abolished?
If I thought racism was a myth I'd be against the ritual myself. If you don't think it's a myth, then why do you want it abolished?
Well I for one feel brainwashed.
If only brainwashing got rid of racism.
It’s a sign of unity and protest and it should remain.
However, do I believe racists will stand up and take note because footballers are taking a knee? Absolutely no chance.
Some people are just vile and require significant intervention to adjust attitudes and this is simply unlikely to have any effect on an ingrained delusional moron who believes the colour of someone’s skin gives them a right to spout racial abuse.
However, do I believe racists will stand up and take note because footballers are taking a knee? Absolutely no chance.
Some people are just vile and require significant intervention to adjust attitudes and this is simply unlikely to have any effect on an ingrained delusional moron who believes the colour of someone’s skin gives them a right to spout racial abuse.
He was only saying it to upset oppos though, he cheers on his own team's black players. Just think of the charming potential atmosphere we're missing at OT during lockdown.
The bolder question there is bang on. Like it or not, young kids copy footballers’ behaviors. If those behaviors give kids the idea that racism is something to be looked down upon and banished from society, then I see absolutely no downside to it.
What issue? Specifically.
Simulacra and Simulation by Baudrillard being one of those books?
Game. Set. Match.
Society is full of racists; this forum is made up of members of said society. . . go figure.
That's just what I thought seems we should be taking the knee mid game as well because the message clearly isn't getting through.
Even you’re not dumb enough to need that explaining.
Football should never do something because fecking Rugby does it, Rugby is a boring game that is best ignored.
As for the kneeling i've no idea why it bothers people, they only kneel for a few seconds. Whats the problem?
At worst it does no harm and at best it might make at lease some small bit of difference for some people.
As for the kneeling i've no idea why it bothers people, they only kneel for a few seconds. Whats the problem?
At worst it does no harm and at best it might make at lease some small bit of difference for some people.
Definately yes.At the weekend the Irish and Scottish Rugby teams refused to take the Knee for BLM.
Surely this cringe show should now end and the silliness of millionaire footballers taking the knee before an empty stadium every week should stop.
Whilst I have sympathies with the problems in the United States I fail to see how millionaire footballers bending the knee each week does anything to help those in the States and certainly is something we have to worry about in the UK.
No matter what your view, BLM is a political Movement, I much prefer we aim to make all lives better no matter, and one thing that Rashford has highlighted in the UK is the divide between the haves and have nots regardless of colour.
I honestly believe this Premier League Wokeness needs to stop, and I fully support the Rugby Teams in taking a stand on this.
https://www.irishpost.com/news/enti...e-before-six-nations-tie-against-wales-203307
As you say, it's just become a cringe fest for an American political movement.
IMO, should never have started, but that's another conversation.
You poor, naive thing, do you really believe that?
Even if you think that the premier league really does it only for the optics, it is still a good gesture that signifies an important thing.
I feel the kneeling has lost whatever ‘impact’ it might have had. I don’t really listen to celebrities with them trying to tell me what to think. And in regards to racism, kneeling does pretty much next to nil and has had zero impact on anyone I know in this matter.
As someone stated above there needs to be more of a micro view taken to snub it out. As well as social media platforms to have a better way to track these racist turds and have them charged or outed publicly. That will stop it at least severely slow it down.
As someone stated above there needs to be more of a micro view taken to snub it out. As well as social media platforms to have a better way to track these racist turds and have them charged or outed publicly. That will stop it at least severely slow it down.
Prove me wrong, Alex the lion. Name me some good, positive things from the right
Players are not jumping through hoops by taking the knee or ducking the issue, they are standing up to racism by taking the knee.
They should carry on taking the knee all season to show they won't take racism lying down- the players stand shoulder to shoulder taking the knee, it keeps them on their toes..
This shitwreck of a thread is still going, and every 10th or so post confirms the necessity of take the knee to continue.
I agree that taking the knee needs to stop because we have gone backwards in time, not progressed.At the weekend the Irish and Scottish Rugby teams refused to take the Knee for BLM.
Surely this cringe show should now end and the silliness of millionaire footballers taking the knee before an empty stadium every week should stop.
Whilst I have sympathies with the problems in the United States I fail to see how millionaire footballers bending the knee each week does anything to help those in the States and certainly is something we have to worry about in the UK.
No matter what your view, BLM is a political Movement, I much prefer we aim to make all lives better no matter, and one thing that Rashford has highlighted in the UK is the divide between the haves and have nots regardless of colour.
I honestly believe this Premier League Wokeness needs to stop, and I fully support the Rugby Teams in taking a stand on this.
https://www.irishpost.com/news/enti...e-before-six-nations-tie-against-wales-203307
Racism is being swept under the carpet which is exactly where it can't be called out.
I educate my kids about what is right to say and what is wrong to say and we need to get to a place where all parents do that.
I would rather have a campaign to get people to educate their kids about racism and to call out racist comments/behaviours rather than ignoring them.
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Scotland players had no idea it was happening. There had been no previous directive on what to do. That’ll change at the weekend. Close thread it’s a shambles.
Did they refuse to take the knee or have they just not been brainwashed into thinking it is mandatory behaviour?
People still think they're raging against the machine in protest when Apple, Disney, Google, Mastercard, Sony and every major sporting league is on their side.
People still think they're raging against the machine in protest when Apple, Disney, Google, Mastercard, Sony and every major sporting league is on their side.
Taking a knee is a virtue signalling performative act. It has as much impact as posting a black square on instagram. The EPL just jumped on the bandwagon without giving much thought about it. They have distanced themselves from BLM since then but the empty gesture itself is already tainted. Now they are stuck because suddenly stop doing it after half a season will be bad for PR.
Racism exists. People who deny it won't change their mind just because they see some footballers taking a knee before a match. It should also be noted that we live in a time where it's the "easiest" if you belong to the racial, sexual or religious minority. Things will continue to get better because the younger generation is more open minded than the older ones. Just be careful we don't become too hypersensitive and constantly look for injustice when there isn't (eg. B.Silva and Cavani incidents.).
Racism exists. People who deny it won't change their mind just because they see some footballers taking a knee before a match. It should also be noted that we live in a time where it's the "easiest" if you belong to the racial, sexual or religious minority. Things will continue to get better because the younger generation is more open minded than the older ones. Just be careful we don't become too hypersensitive and constantly look for injustice when there isn't (eg. B.Silva and Cavani incidents.).
I see you don’t know much of what you’re talking about.
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