Good job they didn't disrespect our national anthem for their cause though.
As Rugby refuses to take the knee, is it time the Premier League stopped too?
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Take the seats away, we'll kneel!
Imagine wanting to copy anything from rugby. If there’s ever a sport of knobheads - it’s rugby.
Don’t know why we sometimes have a minute silence before games either, it’s not like it solves death..
You could be right and it's just more obvious now due to social media so I'll definitely concede that.
It won't change my mind more needs done though
Just out of interest, what would you consider suitable action?
I have read some crazy posts on this forum and the above sentences are up there with the worst of them.As long as the kneeling makes people uncomfortable and/or annoyed the kneeling should continue.
Yeah that too, but more to the point, taking a knee is designed to raise awareness and show solidarity. The OP wouldn't be in here facilitating a conversation about racial issues in the UK and what can be done to tackle it if they had stopped taking a knee after one week. So he/she is a great example of the thing he/she is complaining about actually working as intended.
Get match stewards to boot out racists for a start. They do feck all at the moment. Punish clubs who don't instruct their stewards to do this.
Asking for 1 BAME board member per club by 2026 will do nothing.
I'd prefer clear, immediate action over vague, long term plans.
I like that idea.
Their mind will be blown once the realisation sets in.
Would you have a go at the bloke next to you if he was being racist?
Its because BLM is connected with far left liberalism (i currently live in NYC, so i see a lot of it) Of course the words "Black Lives Matter" are true, but it's the movement people have problems with. "No to Racism" should be adopted and chosen as the leading movement in the UK. And no, the players should never stop kneeling and showing their support.
All lives matter is what the EDL were shouting in the summer before saying “pour petrol on the bastards”..
Have you been affected by a footballer kneeling? Wish all this racism discussion would just stop?
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If you use racist terms in any situation you are a racist end of story.
Why would you think it's fine if they play for a club you don't like?
It might make sense in the future to not lose meaning behind the message to have all games in Black History Month a time when players kneel.
They made the initial mistake of aligning themselves the BLM political movement and now they're not able to shake off that association.
I think the it makes sense to continue the knee under their own anti-racism campaign without associating themselves with BLM and their ridiculous policies.
I think the it makes sense to continue the knee under their own anti-racism campaign without associating themselves with BLM and their ridiculous policies.
I think Chris Rock said it something like 'we only get one month and it's the shortest one'
It's generally the sort of people who say "all lives matter" or "keep politics out of football" and litter Sky and F1 type adverts on facebook with comments like "won't sign up until you stop being political".
I think it's basically racists who need a more acceptable way of hiding their racism.
Yeah, we completely agree on that.
In England we have it October. Joint longest
Taking a knee is just one step, but pretty small step footballers can do. Why aren't footballers doing more than just taking a knee, surely deleting or at least threatening to delete their twitter, instagram, and all other social media accounts until those internet giants take further actions against racism on their platforms will do far more than taking a knee before a game?
Taking a knee while supporting racist platforms from which they earn big money from is pretty silly, IMO.
Taking a knee while supporting racist platforms from which they earn big money from is pretty silly, IMO.
Honestly? Depends how big he was and who I was with. If i'm with my 12 year old nephew and there's 3 massive skinheads then almost certainly I'd not say much more than "come on dude, there's a kid here". I've told a few people to shut the feck up over the years for various awful stuff (not just racism), depending on how many beers I've had.
I barely get to 5 games a season in recent years at Chelsea, Bournemouth (free tickets from work) and Wimbledon (my brother-in laws team) though, I'm an armchair fan nowadays but generally you hear the odd awful thing said at most games.
I don't get paid to steward the crowd and anyway, fans getting involved in vigilante stuff is a bad idea.
Don't forget that the last 4-5 years has been the rise of the troll era, where many people have become emboldened to speak their minds under the guise of anonymity. I dont think kneeling has much to do with it, a group of BLM protesters could be marching peacefully through the city and they'd still get abused.
No it's a tough one. But stewards are generally not exactly thrilled about confronting such people either.
Indeed, they just want to get their £10 an hour to watch the game. Can't blame them.
Pay them a decent wage and you can get some proper stewarding.
Rugby players have no issue kneeling when they’re guzzling piss out of each others arse cracks in the name of ‘banter’.
This thread is dreadful, as I’m sure as has been pointed out. There is room for nuanced debate surrounding what next steps to take when combating racism, but this thread isn’t it. It’s designed to trigger reactions and wind people up.
This thread is dreadful, as I’m sure as has been pointed out. There is room for nuanced debate surrounding what next steps to take when combating racism, but this thread isn’t it. It’s designed to trigger reactions and wind people up.
I thought it was the general public who started it? Politicians jumped on the bandwagon as usual, which as you say is objectionable and hypocritical since they’re the ones squeezing it in the first place, but I didn’t think it was their idea.
It was originally an Italian idea.
Pretty much this. A game for knobs
Are you sure that it doesn't also violate your human rights?
Hahaha is that racism with first, second and third degree incoming then? Amazing world.
Diversifying boardrooms and the people involved in the decision making process across the league will help tackle these issues more effectively.
I hear you though, I'd like direct immediate action too, but throwing out and banning racists from stadiums is just tackling one form of racism [granted it's the most visible and visceral form of it], their plan aims to tackle structural and more subtle forms of it.
I agree that having more people 'like you' in higher positions helps make that idea acceptable (to yourself and others), and helps that situation (i.e., more diversity) to continue to exist and develop. In practice though, the organic part doesn't happen. For example, if this growth were organic, you would see a lot more diversity at the top of big business and politics; but in practice, it's a largely still white men running the show. That's where quota come in. Force chance in the here and now, and once that has happened, let the organic development have its way.
I mean, this is the not first generation of footballers with the current level of diversity, but in 2019, only 6 out of 92 coaches of clubs in the English professional leagues were non-white (source: BBC article). It makes no sense to assume that so few non-white players would have had the tactical nous or interest to become a coach; so there must be something structural at play. I don't know what exactly, and there might be obstacles that can be removed; but putting quota in place to help normalize the idea of having non-white coaches at the highest level. (It's likely similar to the dynamic that makes hiring managers think twice about hiring someone with an Arabic name while they CV is the same as the John Smith next in the pile.)
EPL removed the connection with BLM for that reason in September actually (too much distraction due to political statements) and replaced it with their own slogan, 'No Room For Racism'. (Source: The Guardian article.) So the problem shouldn't exist anymore.
"These clocks show the all the times Sky Sports told me to not be racist! I'm as mad as hell and I'm not going to take it anymore!"
I think they should look to mix it up. Taking a knee has lost some of its impact through routine. Exploring different ways to keep the message fresh, take on input from the players, allow them to direct it in some ways could keep the enthusiasm there.
I don’t see any harm in “taking the knee” but how long is it going to go on for? There must be other worthy causes that the PL could support in a similar way other than BLM - free Palestine, Disability awareness, or whatever. Why focus on just one worthy cause for so long?
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