bosnian_red
Worst scout to ever exist
Did nothing wrong today, did well to stop them scoring after the Maguire incident. 0 blame whatsoever for their goal, anyone claiming otherwise is reaching and has an agenda.
Oh feck off that was 100% Lindelof being a wimp. DDG saved our asses today !
Not a player you can criticize today. When you have a header point blank at you, which should have been stopped by your CB, you can't take faultAnother game where his insistence on staying rooted to his line costs us
You can as the cross was there to be caught, it was just a floaty punt that the keeper should have claimed.Not a player you can criticize today. When you have a header point blank at you, which should have been stopped by your CB, you can't take fault
Of course you can. The cross was in his 6 yard area. It shouldn't have even got to the point where the header was being challenged as he should have been off his line to clear the cross.Not a player you can criticize today. When you have a header point blank at you, which should have been stopped by your CB, you can't take fault
You can as the cross was there to be caught, it was just a floaty punt that the keeper should have claimed.
So on that basis, Lindelof is taken off the hook here, as he shows no authority to head the ball away convincingly? The fact he had a good metre or more ahead to do his job?Of course you can. The cross was in his 6 yard area. It shouldn't have even got to the point where the header was being challenged as he should have been off his line to clear the cross.
Why are you making up things that were never said? This is the De Gea thread.So on that basis, Lindelof is taken off the hook here, as he shows no authority to head the ball away convincingly? The fact he had a good metre or more ahead to do his job?
He was at fault at Everton, 100% for not closing down Calvert-Lewin. But that goal is a basic for a CB who has the advantage to get it away, and the GK to have confidence in him doing so.
It's a question of his decision making, so I put the onus on the defender who should have easily covered it, over the goalie who made a judgement call to trust him.Why are you making up things that were never said? This is the De Gea thread.
As the poster mentioned above, your defenders are never going to win all of their duels in the 6 yard area. The fact our keeper is happy to let the defenders be challenged in his 6 yard area instead of being a little proactive and taking the pressure off them by coming out is an issue. It always has been with De Gea and it's not restricted to just the game today.
I don't care what pundits or commentators say unless they were a GK themselves.It's a question of his decision making, so I put the onus on the defender who should have easily covered it, over the goalie who made a judgement call to trust him.
With the pundits and commentators keen to criticize de Gea this season, did you hear anyone mention his decision in not doing so?
If De Gea comes out but the player still scores will you say he should have stayed on the line? Maybe he put the defender off and should have just left it? To me it's a foul anyway so it's a moot point. It's a joke the goal stood to begin with. How many defenders do you need in the box before you need a goalkeeper to do a defenders job for them? You cannot blame the goalkeeper for something he is not. Maybe we can question his coaches.Of course you can. The cross was in his 6 yard area. It shouldn't have even got to the point where the header was being challenged as he should have been off his line to clear the cross.
If De Gea comes for a cross like that in his 6 yard area and misses it then we have bigger GK issues than I thoughtIf De Gea comes out but the player still scores will you say he should have stayed on the line? To me it's a foul anyway so it's a moot point. It's a joke the goal stood to begin with. How many defenders do you need in the box before you need a goalkeeper to do a defenders job for them?
Personally I'd prefer a keeper who is confident and capable of coming and taking everything. DDG has never been that keeper, and we've seemingly always been happy to be hamstrung by this ineptitude in his game.If De Gea comes out but the player still scores will you say he should have stayed on the line?
This is fair. Think this is also why opposition target us on set pieces as they know the keeper is not gonna come out and collect or clear things to start a counter.Personally I'd prefer a keeper who is confident and capable of coming and taking everything. DDG has never been that keeper, and we've seemingly always been happy to be hamstrung by this ineptitude in his game.
It was a very good save. However, I was wondering why the feck didn't he give Maguire a call for a pass back.Didn't do anything wrong for their goal per se but he'll get criticism any time he stays on his line and the opposition score. Even when the CB was perfectly positioned to deal with it.
Very good goalkeeping after the Maguire mistake.
Not a game that should really alter anyone's opinion of him in any direction.
First goal was painfully weak goalkeeping. It wasn’t even whipped in hard and fast. Fecking cross was looped so high in the air there are Sunday league keepers who would have made a comfortable catch. Honestly don’t think there’s another keeper in the league who stays standing right under his crossbar in that scenario.Maguire has already confirmed in his post-match interview that the referee told him it would have been a free-kick had De Gea not done the double save. So the double save from De Gea was completely irrelevant.
However, what was relevant is De Gea's refusal to come off his line to collect/parry crosses that are whipped in right on the 6 yard line of his box.
It puts the defenders under massive pressure to clear the ball - because if the striker wins the header then the chances are the ball ends up in the back of the net due to it being so close to goal.
There is argument that Lindelof should have been stronger in the aerial challenge, and to be fair it was definitely a foul.
But the simple truth is, if De Gea comes out to collect/parry the cross, then the goal would not have happened.
We must be the only club in the top 4 divisions of English football, that has a goalkeeper who refuses to collect any crosses that are 6 yards away from the goal.
De Gea should have moved on several years ago.
Not many other defenders are expected to have to win every single header on their own six yard box though, this is the point.Not a player you can criticize today. When you have a header point blank at you, which should have been stopped by your CB, you can't take fault
Anyone claiming he has 0 blame obviously never played as a keeper before. His positioning was horrible. He should have been near the edge of his 6 as the player was going to cross it and then should have easily punched or caught that floater. To most they will look at it and say De Gea had no chance. For those of us who know the position we also know that the 6 yard box is the keepers area. You can't depend on your defenders to win 100% of the balls and a header won by the opposition from that close and on target will likely end as a goal. So you have to martial your six yard box. So no, it won't go don't as a "De Gea mistake" but he definitely could have and should have prevented it...Henderson would have...Did nothing wrong today, did well to stop them scoring after the Maguire incident. 0 blame whatsoever for their goal, anyone claiming otherwise is reaching and has an agenda.
It's because agendas work both ways. Some people have agendas against certain players and others have agendas for certain players. In some people's eyes De Gea is only ever at fault if it's a blatant mistake. For me, being a United keeper means a lot more than "not making mistakes". De Gea used to win us games. We would walk away with 3 points when we should have had 0. He hasn't done that in a long time. He was brutal for their goal today. Lindelof is going to take some blame too, but you also have to give their player credit for doing everything he can to win that header. At the end of the day though, it's a floated ball into the 6 yard box. De Gea should be on that and it would even had been an issue. Henderson would have...Baffling how people don't realize our keeper being happy to stay on his line and let his defenders take on 1v1s in the 6 yard area is an issue
A Manchester United CB is not expected to win every header? Yeah that is perfectly fine, even Vidic lost some headers. But that was a header a Manchester United CB must win with a player on his back, or it is a goal, don't tell me a Manchester United CB expects to be saved by his goalkeeper since he can't handle your average PL striker.At the end of the day, when you're leaving it up to the defenders to win headers on their own 6 yard line then, up against big powerful forwards, they can't be expected to win every header, and when they don't win it, from that close in its more than likely to be a goal.
Whereas if the keeper comes for those (I'm not saying every cross by the way, I'm saying when it's that close in) he has a much better chance of winning it because he can use his hands, and if even if he doesn't win it, 9 times out of ten he'll get a free-kick.
Hitting a cross too close to the keeper is generally considered to be a poor cross but against us it's a fecking great cross because u know for a fact De Gea isn't coming for it.
It's basic stuff which is why I'm so baffled that the £375,000 a week statue gets away with never doing it.
Baffling to blame it on DDG for not coming out for a cross when his CB is right in there and you would expect him to clear a simple fecking cross, not pussy out like a little bitch.Baffling how people don't realize our keeper being happy to stay on his line and let his defenders take on 1v1s in the 6 yard area is an issue
This.. cross came from more than 10 meters outside of the box and put in with a spin and no real pace. He should have come out and dealt with it a keeper playing for Utd should at least be capable of that. It's becoming a huge issue as teams are using this weakness and that we have a weak defender in front of him. We cannot expect the offense to score three goals every game and even when we score three not to win.Baffling how people don't realize our keeper being happy to stay on his line and let his defenders take on 1v1s in the 6 yard area is an issue
But it was a foul which was missed by the ref and var. I would always expect a foul to be given there.A Manchester United CB is not expected to win every header? Yeah that is perfectly fine, even Vidic lost some headers. But that was a header a Manchester United CB must win with a player on his back, or it is a goal, don't tell me a Manchester United CB expects to be saved by his goalkeeper since he can't handle your average PL striker.
No it was not a foul, stop making excuses for shit performances by average players.But it was a foul which was missed by the ref and var. I would always expect a foul to be given there.
Lindelof must be stronger and win that header in front of the striker, the same arguments you use for DDG not going out and catch it, count for Lindelof was too slow and too weak to clear a simple fecking header.Lindelof should be stronger of course but there is one way to negate that, your keeper coming out and claiming a cross which wasn't whipped in with pace and was a few steps or so from his line
We often defend deep because Lindelof refuses to commit to any sort of defending and just backpaddles in front of DDG and back in the box. I agree that DDG might not be good enough any more, but one thing is for sure, Lindelof never was and will never be good enough to start.We defend deep at times due to ddg positioning. If he's good enough or confident or strong enough to come and do that our defenders have leeway of being a few steps forward. It may also help in set pieces