Win against West Ham at home next and top 4 is done IMO.
Top 4 race / race abandoned (or maybe not) / Leicester & Chelsea in the process of bottling it
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10 games prior to today:
| Team | Pts |
| Man City | 30 |
| West Ham | 22 |
| Chelsea | 21 |
| Leicester | 18 |
| Everton | 17 |
| Man United | 15 |
That's why people have been "shitting the bed" - yes, we'll all drop points, but we've dropped more than most recently. Hopefully today is the shot in the arm we have been needing - kick on and beat West Ham before the break, and things will be looking better.
Never thought we’d drop out despite our form but that hopefully gives us the confidence to kick on. West Ham will set up very defensively against us so in a strange way it’ll be Oles first real test @McGrathsipan
You're one of the most negative posters on here!
Prove it
Shame we can't really win the title after this win, but top 4 should be secured if we do a decent enough job.
Next week vs West Ham is key since they are one of the sides that may take top 4 from us.
Next week vs West Ham is key since they are one of the sides that may take top 4 from us.
Remaining fixtures as of 07.03
Man Utd
Man Utd - West Ham (D)
Man Utd - Brighton (H)
Spurs - Man Utd (D)
Man Utd - Burnley (H)
Leeds - Man Utd (A)
Man Utd - Liverpool (D)
Villa - Man Utd (D)
Man Utd - Leichester (D)
Man Utd - Fulham (H)
Wolves - Man Utd (D)
Final points: 72
Chelsea
Chelsea - Everton (H)
Leeds - Chelsea (A)
Chelsea - West Brom (H)
Palace - Chelsea (A)
Chelsea - Brigton (H)
Chelsea - West Ham (D)
Chelsea - Fulham (H)
City - Chelsea (H)
Chelsea - Arsenal (H)
Chelsea - Leichester (D)
Villa - Chelsea (D)
Final points: 71
Leichester
Leichester - Sheffield (H)
Leichester - City (A)
West Ham - Leichester (D)
Leichester - West Brom (H)
Leichester - Palace (H)
Soton - Leichester (D)
Leichester - Newcastle (H)
Man Utd - Leichester (D)
Chelsea - Leichester (D)
Spurs - Leichester (D)
Final points: 70
Everton
Chelsea - Everton (H)
Everton - Burnley (H)
Everton - Palace (H)
Brighton - Everton (A)
Everton - Spurs - (A)
Arsenal - Everton (A)
Everton - Villa (D)
West Ham - Everton (D)
Everton - Sheffield (H)
Everton - Wolves (D)
City - Everton (H)
Final points: 64
West Ham
West Ham - Leeds (H)
Man Utd - West Ham (D)
West Ham - Arsenal (H)
Wolves - West Ham (D)
West Ham - Leichester (D)
Newcastle - West Ham (A)
West Ham - Chelsea (D)
Burnley - West Ham (A)
West Ham - Everton (D)
Brighton - West Ham (A)
West Brom - West Ham (A)
West Ham - Soton (H)
Final points: 71
Spurs
Arsenal - Spurs (A)
Villa - Spurs (D)
Newcastle - Spurs (A)
Spurs - Man Utd (D)
Everton - Spurs (A)
Spurs - Sheffield (H)
Leeds - Spurs (A)
Spurs - Wolves (D)
Spurs - Villa (D)
Leichester - Spurs (D)
Final points: 65
Liverpool
Wolves - Liverpool (H)
Arsenal - Liverpool (D)
Liverpool - Villa (D)
Leeds - Liverpool (A)
Liverpool - Newcastle (H)
Man Utd - Liverpool (D)
Liverpool - Soton (H)
West Brom - Liverpool (A)
Burnley - Liverpool (A)
Liverpool - Palace (H)
Final points: 64
Final standing
City
United
Chelsea
West Ham
Leichester
Spurs
Liverpool
Everton
Man Utd
Man Utd - West Ham (D)
Man Utd - Brighton (H)
Spurs - Man Utd (D)
Man Utd - Burnley (H)
Leeds - Man Utd (A)
Man Utd - Liverpool (D)
Villa - Man Utd (D)
Man Utd - Leichester (D)
Man Utd - Fulham (H)
Wolves - Man Utd (D)
Final points: 72
Chelsea
Chelsea - Everton (H)
Leeds - Chelsea (A)
Chelsea - West Brom (H)
Palace - Chelsea (A)
Chelsea - Brigton (H)
Chelsea - West Ham (D)
Chelsea - Fulham (H)
City - Chelsea (H)
Chelsea - Arsenal (H)
Chelsea - Leichester (D)
Villa - Chelsea (D)
Final points: 71
Leichester
Leichester - Sheffield (H)
Leichester - City (A)
West Ham - Leichester (D)
Leichester - West Brom (H)
Leichester - Palace (H)
Soton - Leichester (D)
Leichester - Newcastle (H)
Man Utd - Leichester (D)
Chelsea - Leichester (D)
Spurs - Leichester (D)
Final points: 70
Everton
Chelsea - Everton (H)
Everton - Burnley (H)
Everton - Palace (H)
Brighton - Everton (A)
Everton - Spurs - (A)
Arsenal - Everton (A)
Everton - Villa (D)
West Ham - Everton (D)
Everton - Sheffield (H)
Everton - Wolves (D)
City - Everton (H)
Final points: 64
West Ham
West Ham - Leeds (H)
Man Utd - West Ham (D)
West Ham - Arsenal (H)
Wolves - West Ham (D)
West Ham - Leichester (D)
Newcastle - West Ham (A)
West Ham - Chelsea (D)
Burnley - West Ham (A)
West Ham - Everton (D)
Brighton - West Ham (A)
West Brom - West Ham (A)
West Ham - Soton (H)
Final points: 71
Spurs
Arsenal - Spurs (A)
Villa - Spurs (D)
Newcastle - Spurs (A)
Spurs - Man Utd (D)
Everton - Spurs (A)
Spurs - Sheffield (H)
Leeds - Spurs (A)
Spurs - Wolves (D)
Spurs - Villa (D)
Leichester - Spurs (D)
Final points: 65
Liverpool
Wolves - Liverpool (H)
Arsenal - Liverpool (D)
Liverpool - Villa (D)
Leeds - Liverpool (A)
Liverpool - Newcastle (H)
Man Utd - Liverpool (D)
Liverpool - Soton (H)
West Brom - Liverpool (A)
Burnley - Liverpool (A)
Liverpool - Palace (H)
Final points: 64
Final standing
City
United
Chelsea
West Ham
Leichester
Spurs
Liverpool
Everton
The West Ham predictions look particularly fanciful. But we shall see.
It's always tricky to predict games but think some of those predicted points totals are a little inflated, West Ham on 71 points, really?
They've had a very good run since xmas but I think they'll lose and draw a few in the run in so they'll be more in thr 60-65 point range, same for Everton.
For example a Brighton desperately fighting relegation could actually take their chances and beat West Ham at home. Newcastle beat West Ham on first weekend so while they're much poorer now they could get a point from that as happened last season.
Would be amazed if them and Spurs just went unbeaten rest of the season. You've also got Liverpool to just lose one more game which is bold claim given the state they're in and they'll probably put everything into winning the CL before too long so Klopp will start resting players for league games just as Benitez did years ago, possibly same for Spurs with europa.
Just 6 defeats predicted for all those teams and seems four of them are against Man. City!
They've had a very good run since xmas but I think they'll lose and draw a few in the run in so they'll be more in thr 60-65 point range, same for Everton.For example a Brighton desperately fighting relegation could actually take their chances and beat West Ham at home. Newcastle beat West Ham on first weekend so while they're much poorer now they could get a point from that as happened last season.
Would be amazed if them and Spurs just went unbeaten rest of the season. You've also got Liverpool to just lose one more game which is bold claim given the state they're in and they'll probably put everything into winning the CL before too long so Klopp will start resting players for league games just as Benitez did years ago, possibly same for Spurs with europa.
Just 6 defeats predicted for all those teams and seems four of them are against Man. City!
So @Bobcat is predicting that West Ham won’t lose another game this season. Lawro needs to watch out.
Funny thing but we have one on our own site with Lawro predictions, he's predicted Villa to win about 4 games this season so in his table we're 10-15 points off Leeds/Brighton and about 30 points off Liverpool still.
wow, pretty harsh predictions there Bob.
I have this result giving us a new bounce and at least 2 wins from the draws you’ve given us.
is that the Dutch Leicester’s fixtures?
So frustrating we couldn’t hold on against Everton. Or get the correct decisions against Sheffield United or West Brom. We’d be 4 points behind even with those points. I know Ole gets the piss taken when he goes on about small margins but he isn’t wrong.
Yeah, I think if Chelsea beat Everton too then that is likely the top 4 decided.
Someone’s form could plummet like Leicester’s last year, which would give Liverpool or Spurs a sniff, but don’t think they have a run in them at the moment.
Yep.
This is 538's top-4 probabilities right now.
United 91%
Chelsea 63%
Leicester 55%
West Ham 25%
Tottenham 25%
Liverpool 22%
Everton 11%
Those bottom 4 teams will drop off very quickly with a couple of bad results.
Where do Liverpool need to finish to send them into the Europa qualifications in July? 
Only 2 PL teams are going into the Europa league next season. I think both will go to the group stage.Where do Liverpool need to finish to send them into the Europa qualifications in July?
There is a new third tier competition. They could end up in that if they finish 7th.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
When is Pogba due back? Could be pivotal to us getting second. Also hopefully today marks the return of Martial, that would be huge for us in all competitions.
Please finish 7th Liverpool, would be so funnyOnly 2 PL teams are going into the Europa league next season. I think both will go to the group stage.
There is a new third tier competition. They could end up in that if they finish 7th.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/UEFA_Europa_Conference_League
What happened to Leicester?
Never mind that, it's the inaugural Europa Conference next season, and I can't think of a better representative of England and the Premier League!Where do Liverpool need to finish to send them into the Europa qualifications in July?
If Everton win their game in hand but lose tomorrow there'll only be 5 points between 5th and 2nd. Today was a massive win in our hardest fixture but there's still a lot of work to get on with.
AS I said though, I think those 3 points were massive for United today so I'm fairly confident. It's the horrible bottom teams that usually provide the most annoying points dropped though (e.g Palace) so it's hard to predict and there's not a run in that looks really favorable for any team.
AS I said though, I think those 3 points were massive for United today so I'm fairly confident. It's the horrible bottom teams that usually provide the most annoying points dropped though (e.g Palace) so it's hard to predict and there's not a run in that looks really favorable for any team.
Many games remain and everything is too unpredictable.
Any team can lose points in any game.
And there are many teams with possibilities.
In a couple of weeks, the scenario we have today can be completely reversed.
Any team can lose points in any game.
And there are many teams with possibilities.
In a couple of weeks, the scenario we have today can be completely reversed.
I would accept that if offered now. We have very crippling injuries at the moment, our best bet is probably you and Chelsea are already secured so we get an easier game against both of you.
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State of play after tonight results.
Moyes has done really well and I didn't realize they had a game in hand as well as Everton. Their game against us will probably tell us how serious their top 4 chances are.
Spurs to sneak in front of Chelsea imo. Theyll score many goals against tired teams in this mad season.
Bale needs to stay fit though
Bale needs to stay fit though
That win yesterday was massive looking at the table. Impossible to predict from here. Our run in looks the most difficult.
Chelsea to sneak in front of United and Leicester imo.
From what I've seen your defence has improved immeasurably but I wonder if the goals will dry up. Your next four fixtures are fairly decent though.
I don’t think Top 4 is completely done and dusted for us yet, no doubt there’ll be one or two iffy moments between now and the end of the season.
Would like to see West Ham & Leicester get in there just to dislodge the regular teams and upset the apple cart a little, although obviously not at our expense!!
Would like to see West Ham & Leicester get in there just to dislodge the regular teams and upset the apple cart a little, although obviously not at our expense!!
Chelsea will definitely be in top 4. Their next 7 fixtures are all wins, IMO. And I wouldn’t be surprised if they win them all without conceding.
They look good.
They look good.
Think that's a fair assessment. That said, if Havertz can be a difference-maker like he was tonight I reckon we might be ok at that end of the pitch. I'm personally excited to see what he can do in a system designed to maximise his strengths, especially given how well Tuchel has done to mask our individuals' weaknesses to this point.
Even Spurs are in the race. Lpool not so much imhoState of play after tonight results.