Sad thing is it seemed the organisers of the proposed vigil that was cancelled, after the matter went through the courts. Had actually tried to plan it in the right way, the organiser had spoken of taking into account social distancing and obtaining a track and trace QR code for the event. I think it most likely would have gone a lot more peacefully.
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I agree that it’s important but really I think it boils down to the fact a virus doesn’t differentiate between an anti-rapist march and a Nigel Farage appreciation society party.
Simply put, the rules are (relatively) clear...and for good reason.
Yeah, having had to stay at home while my wife buried her father last month, it's sort of hard to feel any sort of sympathy towards people who were told to stay at home but decided not to.
It might not cause a spike but it may still cause some deaths.
With no constitution, an hereditary monarchy and no way of debating in favour or not of either we are very far from being a 'Liberal Democracy' however I did find this post entertaining in its implications surrounding honesty and dancing around the issue. I'd like to think that the majority of people on here would attest to my straight talking.
If anything with a debate and vote about to be taken further limiting the right to gather in numbers and 'protest' being held this next week, what has gone on today in not abiding by safety regulations which are good enough for some but not others has done Sweet Fanny Adams in the manner of aiding your stated importances. I hope that is honest enough for you and not engaged in any slanderous dance around the issues.
We do have a constitution, it's just unwritten as apposed to a single document
This was from a Trafalgar protest, like the top picture.
Granted, anti-maskers are feckwits but there was almost unanimous praise in my timeline (which is majority lib, some leftist) for police breaking up this 'protest' due to COVID restrictions. I hate even legitimatising it by calling it a protest instead of a tantrum...but yeah...
It's an awkward situation. I support the right to protest...encourage it actually...but the social contract we have with each other over COVID has to be factored in. How do you explain to a person who's mum died alone and was buried alone - as was the case early in the pandemic for many families - that this is acceptable but attending her funeral wasn't? Likewise for hundreds of other things, big and small, that we've all endured this past year.
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I'm an ally so I'll educate where I can and internally look.
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As expected this situation has turned into an absolute mess because of the Twitter mob.
All I can think of is what her family thinks or is going through currently. Were they even at or involved within the organisation of the vigil? If not, I personally find that rather vile.
All I can think of is what her family thinks or is going through currently. Were they even at or involved within the organisation of the vigil? If not, I personally find that rather vile.
yes. I also blame everything on Twitter.
i blame the cops, and twitter
It's an interesting dynamic in this awful crime. It's probably not a stretch to think that she suffered at his hands too. I'm sure it will come out that she is a victim too. Not that it can excuse trying to cover up a murder.
Yes I don't think it really spreads outdoors but this is based on older strains and probably less conducive weather and people carrying less colds and runny noses. People and authorities are on edge with the supposedly more contagious new strains and the last 3-4 months have been horrendous for cases and deaths. It's only 8 to 12 weeks ago this Kent strain exploded around the UK to deliver a much worse second wave.
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It's not just a concern of losing possessions, it's a concern about having your head kicked in or stabbed to death. Just don't want women thinking we all just skip along in the dark without a care in the world.
Surely it's the government fault. The law says such a gathering is illegal?
What are the police meant to do? They are there to enforce the law. The law is the problem if we're arguing the vigil should be allowed, not the police.
The police should never be put in a position to have to decide which laws to enforce, totally ludicrous.
What are the police meant to do? They are there to enforce the law. The law is the problem if we're arguing the vigil should be allowed, not the police.
The police should never be put in a position to have to decide which laws to enforce, totally ludicrous.
just following orders
This is the whole point of the protesting I’m thinkingThis was from a Trafalgar protest, like the top picture.
Granted, anti-maskers are feckwits but there was almost unanimous praise in my timeline (which is majority lib, some leftist) for police breaking up this 'protest' due to COVID restrictions. I hate even legitimatising it by calling it a protest instead of a tantrum...but yeah...
It's an awkward situation. I support the right to protest...encourage it actually...but the social contract we have with each other over COVID has to be factored in. How do you explain to a person who's mum died alone and was buried alone - as was the case early in the pandemic for many families - that this is acceptable but attending her funeral wasn't? Likewise for hundreds of other things, big and small, that we've all endured this past year.
Yeah but a man hasn’t just been kidnapped and murdered has he?
The police should enforce all law, it's ourselves that think we can decide what law to abide to or not. That's ludicrous!
Yes, a few over the last week with zero press coverage.
This is on the news because it was a police officer and the virtue signaling band boarded the train.
Insulting another member
That's beside the point. Just clearing up that us men don't skip through the streets at night, it's not just women who are wary at night. Pretty sure I can find you a young man who was stabbed this week though if you want to go down that route.
But they do it every day.
The police could quite easily have been told not to intervene and not to inflame the situation. All they’ve served to do is further damage the relationship between themselves and the public and guarantee further protests.
Was it not health and safety? Not allowing people to gather on the bandstand which is a small enclosed space which could lead to crushing if more of the crowd got on it?
I'm sorry for your family loss Popper. I've been away from her so may have missed it. Hope you are all doing okay and if you need a chat just drop me a line.
It’s not besides the point. It’s just the classic ‘but what about men’? It’s the same as saying ‘all lives matter’.
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Doesn't make it right.
The police cannot make political decisions.
If they're enforcing the law against one kind of gathering they must do it against all of them. Even for a worthy cause.
If the police are not enforcing a law at all, they should be kicking it back to the government to sort. The question being should the law be changed or removed entirely.
Completely agree.
What I am saying is that the police forces make choices about what crimes they are and are not going to investigate.
Yes of course I am aware they have had cuts.
But don't forget that the massive Council Tax increases over the recent years have had significantly higher increases specially for the police. In addition, the government has committed to increase funding for the police.
And have we seen any improvements?
With no constitution, an hereditary monarchy and no way of debating in favour or not of either we are very far from being a 'Liberal Democracy' however I did find this post entertaining in its implications surrounding honesty and dancing around the issue. I'd like to think that the majority of people on here would attest to my straight talking.
If anything with a debate and vote about to be taken further limiting the right to gather in numbers and 'protest' being held this next week, what has gone on today in not abiding by safety regulations which are good enough for some but not others has done Sweet Fanny Adams in the manner of aiding your stated importances. I hope that is honest enough for you and not engaged in any slanderous dance around the issues.
We have a Constitution, it just isn't codified in a single document.
I'm sure loads of the attendees are delighted the police did what they did, they now have their prize worthy 'being restrained while fighting the power' images that can be posted into oblivion on their social media accounts, and blown up and put on their walls at home.
Strange take on it.
As mentioned by another user, it's hard not to be jaded when some people have literally missed out on burying family members because of covid rules.
Oh I agree- those rules were bullshit too.
When did virtue signalling become "caring or otherwise showing emotion about something"? It's not like it's irrelevant that it was a police officer either, can you really not see how that causes a rather big breach in trust?
There’s been plenty of protests and group gatherings allowed and gone ahead without the scenes we saw last night. The BLM protests, anti lockdown protests, hell even Rangers fans celebrating only a week or so ago in huge numbers with police just looking on. This heavy handed policing was just an incredibly bad decision. I don’t even blame the cops on the ground really, it’s those with decision making powers who should be sacked. Insanely dense decision making which really has failed to get a sense of what has been happening among the people of London in the last week.
Engage with the organisers, enforce social distancing. The met had opportunities to handle this far better.
Engage with the organisers, enforce social distancing. The met had opportunities to handle this far better.
The antilockdown ones resulted in shitloads of arrests, as documented on the last page.
I guess they lived with the BLM one cos they were scared it would kick off, but by doing that they set a precedent of sorts. They should really have adopted the same stance yesterday.
Saying that, my sympathy is low. People are effectively saying their right to be at a vigil for a stranger is more important than my uncle being able to be at his wife of over 50 years' bedside when she died last year.
I guess they lived with the BLM one cos they were scared it would kick off, but by doing that they set a precedent of sorts. They should really have adopted the same stance yesterday.
Saying that, my sympathy is low. People are effectively saying their right to be at a vigil for a stranger is more important than my uncle being able to be at his wife of over 50 years' bedside when she died last year.
With all due respect, what the heck are you going on about? Surely you cannot be this unaware and out of the loop.
There were literally hundreds of arrests and police/protestor clashes at the anti lockdown protests.
There were arrests and clashes at the BLM protests. If there were more than six people booked into custody last night I’d be amazed. And I’m not sure what on earth Rangers celebrations in Scotland have do to with policing in London but there were plenty of arrests there too.
I saw @Olly Gunnar Solskjær post two pictures that seemed to imply the same thing.
Honestly lads, either you have a serious lack of awareness on these events (in which case it’s probably better to check your facts first) or it’s a deliberate action to push a narrative.
Christ, You’d think it was a war zone last night the way people are carrying on.
Who is this helping? Honestly who? Who benefits from this?
You literally have a woman on a video telling you she was arrested and de arrested immediately in order for her to leave the area.
This same woman is perfectly fine and healthy in this video and this is the person who’s been chosen as the poster child for a “brutal arrest” where “several officers jumped on top of her”. Gimme a fecking break.