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Do you have any reason to believe that? A quick google didn't get me anything for Ireland, and most data from Britain is on ethnicity rather than nationality, but I did find [this](https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/immigration-and-crime-evidence-for-the-uk-and-other-countries/) from 2013: No absolute numbers, but neither increased asylum migrants or immigration from A8 countries had a relation with increased violent crime. If Britain and Ireland are different here, surely you'd expect Britain to be "worse". Speaking as a Norwegian it's not even close to true here, it's more like 20 %. I'm not aware of any country in the world where it's over 50 %, or even close to it.

Your thinking seems crazy to me, but if you have some actual numbers to back it up then I guess Ireland is weird. The foreign born population in Ireland is around 13 %.
He’s talking complete shit.
 

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And did I say majority?
Obviously you did say majority. People are either foreign born or they're not, that's two alternatives. If it's usually one category, then it's usually not the other category. You think it's usually people that are foreign born, so you have to believe that it's usually not people born in Ireland. It's incoherent to believe that the offender is usually an immigrant but more often than not someone born in Ireland.

He’s talking complete shit.
Figured I'd try being polite for once, new year and all.
 

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And did I say majority?
What else would this suggest if not a majority?
Just seems to me if I hear a domestic murder or serious assault nowadays I seem to think foreign National because it usually turns out to be right.

And what else would you call your take on this if not racism? Show me the stats I asked for that back up your theory and I'll happily apologise.
 

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What else would this suggest if not a majority?



And what else would you call your take on this if not racism? Show me the stats I asked for that back up your theory and I'll happily apologise.
Well you obviously don’t live here and watch the news everyday, and what if the men are as white as I am you obviously didn’t think of that because your judgmental self just going straight to the racist button.
 

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Well you obviously don’t live here and watch the news everyday, and what if the men are as white as I am you obviously didn’t think of that because your judgmental self just going straight to the racist button.
are you for real? You know that racism isn’t just based on the colour of someone’s skin right?
 

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Well you obviously don’t live here and watch the news everyday, and what if the men are as white as I am you obviously didn’t think of that because your judgmental self just going straight to the racist button.
fecking hell just stop
 

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Well done @Deery for derailing what should be a serious conversation of how vulnerable women can be in our society at large, and turning it into some Daily Mail level foreigner fear mongering.

You are an utter prat.
 

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Well done @Deery for derailing what should be a serious conversation of how vulnerable women can be in our society at large, and turning it into some Daily Mail level foreigner fear mongering.

You are an utter prat.
Didn’t mean to and I hate to take away from the poor girl’s demise.
 

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Yes, but I guarantee you he seen me mention Romania and immediately, racist!
I think we were all just a bit baffled at your claim that you don’t seem to be able to back up. It seemed like a needless dig at a time when we should be focusing on what happened to this poor woman than where the killer is from. Maybe you should take a breather.
 

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I think we were all just a bit baffled at your claim that you don’t seem to be able to back up. It seemed like a needless dig at a time when we should be focusing on what happened to this poor woman than where the killer is from. Maybe you should take a breather.
Aw right maybe wasn’t the right time and in hindsight a bit of a sweeping statement.
 

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This is shocking. An unprovoked attack in broad daylight. But statistically most women in ireland are killed by someone they know.

https://www.womensaid.ie/about/campaigns/femicide-in-ireland.html
I am not trying to take away from the horror of this, but one thing that always amazes me is how little news the year on year femicide rate gets. It is something like inbetween 40 to 50 percent of all women murdered in the uk are killed by their intimate partner. Murdered violently as well.

https://news.sky.com/story/off-limits-who-is-most-likely-to-kill-you-11734990
Aye, these are good points and I don't particularly think they take away from the horror of this given that it's a point I'm seeing women's safety groups highlight in the wake of this killing too.

It's good to talk about and act on the crimes committed against women in public and their public safety fears. But if we're talking about violence against women generally then that's just the tip of the iceberg.
 

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A day of the guy's name being circulated on social media and slews of braindead racist comments about Romanians ends with the wrong person having been blamed and the actual perpetrator still free. Though the reports on this guy's identity were different in different papers anyway.
 
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I posted about this in the general CE forum, but didn't realise it was being discussed here. The whole area is in complete shock. I walk and run this section of the canal walk regularly and it's always busy. You'd struggle to walk a couple of hundred metres without passing someone walking, running, cycling or fishing. It's incredible that this kind of thing can happen in broad daylight on such a popular spot.

I felt the chat about the suspect was premature, even though I was confident they must have got their man. I thought when he was arrested so quickly, they must have been sure. But regardless, this senseless attack and random murder (as it seems to be at the minute) is a new thing to this area. It has rocked the people here to our core. To think that the perpetrator is still out there is frightening.

I'm a teacher too and in our staff room today, which is predominantly female, we had a chat about how women feel going out to exercise on their own. I read the tweets after Sarah Everard's murder, but that was London. It didn't hit home. I'm from the midlands in Ireland. I, naively, didn't really realise that even here, women send their live locations to family members when they are going for a walk or a run, women carry their keys in their fist when a man is approaching them, women worry about the man running behind them and whether he is going to attack them. I thought, women in big cities, worry about these things. Not the girls and women I know. But they do, and now I know why. I'm truly saddened and shocked by this.
 

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Sickening that whoever did this is still at large.

One small blessing is that Covid restrictions will have lessened the amount of drunk Daily Mail readers who went out and assaulted Eastern Europeans before seeing the latest news this evening.
 

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I posted about this in the general CE forum, but didn't realise it was being discussed here. The whole area is in complete shock. I walk and run this section of the canal walk regularly and it's always busy. You'd struggle to walk a couple of hundred metres without passing someone walking, running, cycling or fishing. It's incredible that this kind of thing can happen in broad daylight on such a popular spot.

I felt the chat about the suspect was premature, even though I was confident they must have got their man. I thought when he was arrested so quickly, they must have been sure. But regardless, this senseless attack and random murder (as it seems to be at the minute) is a new thing to this area. It has rocked the people here to our core. To think that the perpetrator is still out there is frightening.

I'm a teacher too and in our staff room today, which is predominantly female, we had a chat about how women feel going out to exercise on their own. I read the tweets after Sarah Everard's murder, but that was London. It didn't hit home. I'm from the midlands in Ireland. I, naively, didn't really realise that even here, women send their live locations to family members when they are going for a walk or a run, women carry their keys in their fist when a man is approaching them, women worry about the man running behind them and whether he is going to attack them. I thought, women in big cities, worry about these things. Not the girls and women I know. But they do, and now I know why. I'm truly saddened and shocked by this.
Jesus I'd say its a shock alright. Horrible story for all of us but it's properly close to home for you in more than one sense.
 

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Jesus I'd say its a shock alright. Horrible story for all of us but it's properly close to home for you in more than one sense.
Absolutely a shock for us all. There's crime everywhere, but this type of thing is relatively rare in Ireland. That's why it's taken over the airwaves for the last 24 hours in Ireland. So it's absolutely a horrible story for us all. I didn't know the girl, but I know of her family, I know some of her colleagues, and I know the area so well, that this has hit different than other crimes. The fact that the stretch of canal that she was murdered on was known as Fiona's Way after local girl Fiona Pender who went missing in 1996 and was never found, is poignant, because that's the last major shocking crime like this in this area.
 
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So the main suspect was eliminated from enquiries.

What the feck happened to the poor girl.

I'm so sad about this. Angry.
That could just as easy have been my sister or my wife.
 

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It's fecked up that females are constantly having to look over their shoulders because there are extremely unwell, usually male, people running around.

Its also fecked up how racist some people in this thread are.
 

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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...ayne-couzens-buy-xbox-prison-b986321.html?amp

Can you believe he has been ‘rewarded’ with an Xbox 360 for ‘good behaviour’

What he needs is 23 hours in solitary confinement only to be allowed out for an hour of exercise so he can get his head bashed in with one of the pieces of gym equipment, à la Jeffrey Damer

edit: Apparently he was upset that he couldn't play any shooting or any other violent video games. Sick feck. At that point confiscate the Xbox from him he clearly has no remorse…

eta: Yes. I am aware he was not ‘rewarded’ it. My point is scum like him shouldn’t benefit from prison incentive schemes.
 
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https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/...ayne-couzens-buy-xbox-prison-b986321.html?amp

Can you believe he has been rewarded with an Xbox 360 for ‘good behaviour’

What he needs is 23 hours in solitary confinement only to be allowed out for an hour of exercise so he can get his head bashed in with one of the pieces of gym equipment, à la Jeffrey Damer
It’s not a ‘reward’ there is a behavioural level system in prison and you can only save X amount of money depending on your level. Otherwise it automatically gets transferred into your savings. To be able to save enough to afford an Xbox 360, unless prices have come down since I last worked in a prison, he must be an enhanced prisoner.

The money he earns in prison, or is given to him by friends or family is his to spend as he chooses. He is entitled to own an XBox 360.

What you’re talking about doing to him is just as inhumane as what he did to his victim.
 

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It’s not a ‘reward’ there is a behavioural level system in prison and you can only save X amount of money depending on your level. Otherwise it automatically gets transferred into your savings. To be able to save enough to afford an Xbox 360, unless prices have come down since I last worked in a prison, he must be an enhanced prisoner.

The money he earns in prison, or is given to him by friends or family is his to spend as he chooses. He is entitled to own an XBox 360.

What you’re talking about doing to him is just as inhumane as what he did to his victim.
I am aware of that he wasn’t literally rewarded it and that it cost £165. I feel like violent sex deviants such as him don’t deserve such luxuries even if they pay for it. And sorry, I’m old school. I don’t give a feck how inhumane my idea of a punishment is he should have thought about that before he stripped Sarah Everard of her life after kidnapping and raping her.
 

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I assume a big part of the idea behind those behavioural incentives is to make life easier for the staff who have to actually manage a prison full of these dangerous scumbags? In which case it's fair enough really, I don't see why you wouldn't try to do that. He's locked away for the rest of his life anyway, having an xbox is only so much of an upside.
 

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Opted for trial by jury on the indecent exposure charged.

Hard to see the reasoning behind that other than either liking the attention or trying to embarrass the Met.
 
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Opted for trial by jury on the indecent exposure charged.

Hard to see the reasoning behind that other than either liking the attention or trying to embarrass the Met.
Somebody with a history of getting off on exhibitionism and humiliation gets a captive audience to relive one fetish and experience another.
 

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Opted for trial by jury on the indecent exposure charged.

Hard to see the reasoning behind that other than either liking the attention or trying to embarrass the Met.
Must be this for me.

I predict he won't offer a defence as such but show how superiors and other officers were either doing the same or ignoring him doing so.
 

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Opted for trial by jury on the indecent exposure charged.

Hard to see the reasoning behind that other than either liking the attention or trying to embarrass the Met.
The Met will be hating this as he’s become a symbol for all that’s wrong with the organisation