I think the biggest worry is KDB. He is getting into top form at the moment. He is the one mega star they got if not including Aguero at the moment and they need him to win it all.
Vincent Kompany: Man City quadruple a matter of time | Next year?
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They'll win the lot. The only one they have a slight chance of losing out on is the Champions League, but the draw is set up for them.
I really hope we play them in the FA cup final and beat them to destroy their hopes of the clean sweep.
Because the teams who are favourites always win..
They won
They aren't even favourites for the cl. Bayern are a superior team. In fact, I'd be shocked if they even beat Dortmund with the way they crumble every single year.
My fault for not including the FA Cup, I apologize.
About the UCL, I count all trophies as having same value. I count Liverpool's european titles in the 70s and 80s the same way I count United's title in 1968.
I only love Guardiola's work and want him to succeed as much as possible.
Who pissed in your cornflakes this morning?
Dishonesty.
I replied to that at 2 in the morning. I've probably misread it at the time.
Still one team winning a few more European cups doesn't automatically make them a bigger club.
So, United has 20 First Division/Premier League titles and Liverpool has 19. They're pretty much equal in this regard. Minimal difference. Though a good argument for United is that many of their titles are far more recent, in the 90s and 2000s specially, while Liverpool before the year 2020 title didn't win the league since 1990.
Liverpool has 7 FA Cups and United has 12.
Liverpool has 8 Carabao Cups and United has 5.
So, inside England, the difference in trophies is not much, but pending towards the side of United, there's no doubt.
In Europe, though, 6 UCLs vs. 3 UCLs isn't just having a few more. And it's the biggest european trophy. It's a significant difference.
Liverpool also won 2 UEFA Cups in the 70s, when they were far more prestigious than the modern equivalent that is Europa League, and one Europa League. Manchester United won one Europa League and no UEFA Cups. The edge in Europe is clearly Liverpool's. United also won an European Cup Winners' Cup in 1991. If I'm not mistaken, it was a competition between all the champions of national cups, but it doesn't exist anymore.
One important point in which United has the edge, and you guys should have brought it up, is that United is two times world champion, winning the Intercontinental Cup in 1999 and the FIFA Club World Cup in 2008. Liverpool only won their first world title in 2019, beating a great Flamengo in extra time in the FIFA Club World Cup final.
Before 2019, Liverpool had been a disgrace in these competitions. More famously, they lost 3-0 to a brilliant Flamengo team commanded by Zico in the 1981 Intercontinental Cup in a game forever celebrated by all Flamengo's supporters as the greatest match in the club's history and the apotheosis of that fantastic team. Flamengo's players were specially angry at how Liverpool's seemed to be disdaining the competition and saying that they didn't know Flamengo. So, Flamengo's players steamrolled Liverpool in fury to teach them a lesson. The first half ended 3-0 and Flamengo only waited for the final whistle in the second half, the lesson was already given.
Changing subject, I'll post this to make the day of most of the people here, who are United supporters, happier:
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The teams that are better very rarely lose...
Abu Dhabi. You got the wrong murderous dictatorship.
Give over.
my bad! Very ignorant of me.This season is their best chance. Strongest squad in the league in a congested covid fixture list.
That's financial doping for you.
That's financial doping for you.
You also need to include United's win in the European Cup Winners Cup Final in 1991, when we beat Barcelona 2-1.
Thank God they’re not in the Europa League as well, otherwise they could win all 5.
Ironic if they do it this year with the worst City side they've had under Pep
City has never been more solid and in full control of games as it is now. The 2018 and 2019 teams were steamrolling their opponents more often and were more consistently exciting to watch, but this City team is at least as defensively solid, confident and stable at controlling games as they were, if not more.
The most incredible thing about City is that they beat the opponents while barely getting out of second gear sometimes, wisely preserving energy. But when they want to, they can still put a show of football, like when Wolverhampton made the game 1-1 in the PL and then City destroyed Wolves 4 -1!
We actually need to be on our A game that day because apart from Bayern we are the only ones I am confident that are able to put a spanner in their works.
4-1 flattered City but don't let that get in the way of your fanboing over them
How's this the worst City side they've had though? I actually think they're playing their best football under Pep this season.
They battered Wolves all game, the goals just took a lot of time to come.
This is the best side they've had in years.
Bar a top quality striker they have quality depth in every position.
Pep has even admitted that himself.
manager in talking up his present side is hardly unusual is it
no one is going to convince me that this City side is better than the ones that had Kompany, Fernandinho, Silva, Sane and Aguero in it. Even De Bruyne and Sterling aren't at the same level they were a couple of years ago
A good team isn't based around 6,7 or even 11 players.
This City team have two players for every position, with the emergence of Foden, they have a ready made replacement for Silva. With the signing of Dias they have replaced Kompany, Ake can't even break into the side because of Stones.
Going forward you can have your pick of Mahrez, Silva, Foden, Torres, Jesus, Aguero, Sterling, it's an extensive and expensive list.
No one can say that the squad they have isn't quality. They have more depth now than they ever have had. That's the reason they are so far in every competition.
The other game their subs were Sterling, Foden and Jesus....how's that for depth...
so your reply is an argument I never made then? I never said they're squad wasn't decent, they've always had a decent squad, the Top level of those players now though aren't as good as before. Fact.
You said this City side isn't as good? The 'city side' is their full squad, not just their starting 11. A fact which is on clear display this season more than any other due to the freshness of their players, compared to every other team who are starting to look exhausted.
For winning competitions this side is just as strong as previous sides. For winning 1 off games with everybody fit, I'd probably agree that their side of a few years ago is better.
it's not as good, their squad was equally as impressive a few years ago as it is today and the top level of that squad was better than it is now
... and to think, in the season they won the Quadruple, we still beat them on their turf...
(take joy in small things, people)
(take joy in small things, people)
I don't know what version of football you've been watching, but the one I've followed for 40 years has the better teams very often not winning the cups they were supposedly nailed on for.
In your opinion, which doesn't make it fact! And you're clearly not understanding that football isn't about individuals, there's a squad of 25 involved.
Their squad currently is better than any other squad they have had.
Whether KDB is better two seasons ago than now isn't the issue, they also have Foden, Gondogan, Stones all playing better than ever in their careers.
Their squad is in a better stronger state than at any period in their history.
This myth really needs to die. Where has this idea come from that City are only now good defensively and weren’t with previous title winning teams?
I had a look at the stats cos I was sure this was bollocks and it’s been confirmed.
City’s title winning teams in 2018 and 2019 conceded 23 and 27 goals respectively. This team now with eight games left this season has conceded 21.
I dunno maybe people are pushing this narrative because city are not at the levels they were attacking wise so they need to find something else to label this team.
The bit you’ve mentioned about city never being in more control with games than they are now is an astonishing claim considering this team won 64 out of 76 games and scored 195 goals in the process between 2017 and 2019. Regularly winning games 5/6 nil. Something they don’t do as much now.
Don’t think there’s much doubt what @charlenefan said. Maybe he could have rephrased it but 100% this city team is not as good as the 2017-2019 team.
It’s been a perfect storm for city this season and that’s something their teams of the past haven’t had and yet had success.
This team has benefitted hugely from this shorter covid season and being able to rotate at will with very little injuries. Meanwhile their contenders over the last year have imploded with injuries and didn’t have the finance due to covid to strengthen their team. I think playing behind closed doors suits them more than anyone too due to the way they play.
Two years ago they had
---------------------Ederson---------------------
Walker--Kompany--Laporte--Zinchenko
-------------------Fernandinho-------------------
----De Bruyne------------------D.Silva----
Sane--------------Aguero--------------Sterling
subs: Bravo, Stones, Otamendi, Danilo, Mendy, Delph, Gundogan, B.Silva, Mahrez, Jesus
compare that to now
------------------Ederson------------------
Walker--Stones--Dias--Cancelo
---------------------Rodri-------------------
----De Bruyne-----------Gundogan
Mahrez--------Jesus----------Sterling
Subs: Stefan, Ake, Laporte, Zinchenko, Mendy, Fernandinho, B.Silva, Torres, Foden, Aguero
if you think they're stronger now then you're an idiot
Some folk absolutely talking nonsense about city.
I be baffled every season when they are hyped up as massive favourites for champs league even where their is defending champs in it and clearly a superior team still in it.
Almost like people think champs a league a shoe in for clubs. Hardest trophy to win by a mile in my opinion
I be baffled every season when they are hyped up as massive favourites for champs league even where their is defending champs in it and clearly a superior team still in it.
Almost like people think champs a league a shoe in for clubs. Hardest trophy to win by a mile in my opinion
That was not their best side two seasons ago, De Bruyne rarely played. B Silva was the main fixture in that side. And Kompany was in/out with injuries, try Otamendi.
Either way it's much closer than you're letting on. Walker has declined and one can argue that Zinchenko is better this season (put Cancelo on the right). Gundogan is having his best season yet. Ditto for Mahrez, and Foden (who should be in this season's side ahead of Sterling).
I must be an idiot then
Gondogan outscoring David Silva's best ever season by four clear goals, with several games still left to play,
Cancelo a step up from Zinchenko,
The only upgrades in the first team from the second is possibly Laporte over Dias, however Dias is currently keeping Laporte out of the side!! And Fernandinho over Rodri.
And their bench now is miles better than that of the first...Ake over Otamendi, Fernandinho over Delph...etc
You can keep screaming at the top of your lungs but unfortunately I think what your saying is a)very subjective and b) not as correct as you think it is.
But do carry on as it's mostly amusing now.
I dont think the squad is better, but Pep has evolved the tactics and feel better suited for big games.
De Bruyne barely played? He made 32 appearances but yes Bernado who was better then than he is now did make more appearances.
Kompany made 26 appearances, Otamendi was only slightly more with 33
Basically
Jesus then is a better option off the bench than Aguero is now who's barely even an option
Mahrez off the bench then is a better option than Torres now
Bernado was better then than he is now
Foden has taken Mahrez's place on the bench now as Mahrez is starting in place of Sane in today's team which again makes them weaker (Sane is better)
12 years ago in the spring we were (I think) seven points clear in the title race, major favourites to retain the CL, had already won the League Cup, and were facing a not particularly great Everton side in the FA cup semi final.
I honestly don’t remember anyone in the media talking about us winning the quadruple then, despite being clear favourites for all the competitions we hadn’t yet won, for the obvious reason that it’s just too mad an idea.
I honestly don’t remember anyone in the media talking about us winning the quadruple then, despite being clear favourites for all the competitions we hadn’t yet won, for the obvious reason that it’s just too mad an idea.
The worst team that Pep had at City was in his first season. Slow and old fullbacks, Bravo as first choice goalkeeper and a team still not used to his system. I agree with the opinions that City are playing their best football under Guardiola right now no matter of the fact that some of the iconic players for them are already gone or at the door (Aguero). Lets see what happens at the end of the season but for the first time i think that they could really win it all.
someone who gets it
Pep gets way more credit for what he's doing this season, he's doing it without a striker for Christ's sake (or with Jesus depending on what you feel is worse haha)
City started badly the season. Of those 21 goals, 5 came from their second game in the PL, a 5-2 loss to Leicester.
And I never said that City weren't defensively solid and controlling of games in their two seasons in which they won the PL. They were great teams. But there is something about City now, they feel more mature and confident than ever. And the way that Pep is getting great performances from almost everyone in the squad is amazing. Gundogan is having easily his best season at City, for example.
I watched the match. Wolverhampton scored in their first shot. Then City was amazing and destroyed Wolves. I watched the game.
did you even watch the game?
Yes.
Here are the stats also:
City had 22 shots, 10 on target. 73% of ball possession, 738 passes and a percentage of 92% of correct passes. Wolverhampton had 6 shots, only one on target, which was the goal.
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