European Super League

Do you want the ESL to happen?


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matherto

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Can't believe we've got to play Madrid again this week, but I'm pumped about Newcastle away next week. It's been a while since we played them.

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We’ve earned the right to play against Newcastle and we run the risk of not playing them every year just like they do with us.

Now we’re guaranteed to play Madrid every season. You lose the magic of drawling them in the competition once in a blue moon and you get the same match played numerous times.

El Clasico got fecking boring during that period between 2010-2012 where they played each other nearly every week, this will too.

I get your starry eyed optimism of the best of the best playing but it’s artificial and vapid and wrong and eventually the honeymoon period wears off and there’s nothing to show for it. Except maybe when we consistently finish bottom and he top clubs decide to boot us out and invite someone more appealing because it’s dog eat dog.
 

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Disgraceful.

But in the end i don't think its going to happen though.
 

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I haven't had chance! I'm getting about 15 replies a second at the moment. I'll read up on everything tomorrow when the dust settled. Don't really care right now as the sentiment around it is 95% negative so there's a total imbalance of rational thinking

There you go ill do you a favour.
 

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More like it will kill the international competitions.

No one is sponsoring or watching a world cup without the best players in it. The players/clubs have the upper hand here.
A stand needs to be taken.
Surely then the ESL can just create their own World Cup format, making it all inclusive of course but away from Fifa regulation.
Let them try.
 

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Oh I don’t think the founders will get relegated. It’ll be like U.K. at the Eurovision. The other 5 will be at risk.
I mean, if all clubs have to submit to the Eurovision as well then I think we could be onto something here
 

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I haven't had chance! I'm getting about 15 replies a second at the moment. I'll read up on everything tomorrow when the dust settled. Don't really care right now as the sentiment around it is 95% negative so there's a total imbalance of rational thinking
Right...so you mock the negative sentiment here yet you haven't even bothered to read the entire statement yourself.
 

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I think the next 3 clubs will end up being PSG, Napoli and Sevilla. Outside shot it'll be Porto.

Obviously the SL would want PSG, Bayern and Dortmund to round out the 15.
 

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We’ve earned the right to play against Newcastle and we run the risk of not playing them every year just like they do with us.

Now we’re guaranteed to play Madrid every season. You lose the magic of drawling them in the competition once in a blue moon and you get the same match played numerous times.

El Classico got fecking boring during that period between 2010-2012 where they played each other nearly every week, this will too.
Says who? Why can't the format change in a season or so once it's established? We should just worry about winning it instead of worrying about being bored of playing world class teams to be honest, strange and silly argument.
 
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No we have stayed oddly silent. I'm woth you here mate, I'm devastated.
It's on the app now. A joke of a statement

Every word sounds like (1) it's happening and (2) they don't give a feck.

My Grandad watched them pre war, my Dad since the Babes, me since relegation.

Sure some will say it's just a game ...
 

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I think the whole reason for this is to stop Mancity and PSG from happening again. FA and UEFA can cry foul but they let State own football clubs and asked other teams to compete with them. This was bound to happen.

I assume a second tier competition will arrive in due course. With the amount of money involved, it will be ratified after some hue and cry from both FA and UEFA
 

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Yeah, I'm done with football if this goes ahead. My dad switched off from anything football related the day Utd floated on the stock exchange, I thought that was extreme but I get his point now.
 

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What's the incentive to invest in the best players and scouting? There's no danger of relegation.

All we end up doing is paying even more to our current crap players and maybe add a few more mediocre ones to keep us respectable. Why? Because our Vice-chairment of the Super League, who took 2 years to understand the offside rule, is keeping his mate Woodward (an alumni of JP Morgan by the way...) will be given free reign to keep his rule of incompetence.

And finally, if you think getting a few more million a year is worth destroying the sport in which the club participates, then I'd say we disagree on our principles for watching the sport altogether.
I have no idea when you've had a little rant about what I might think, just having a discussion here and I've said nothing about what I think.

I've tried to think about this from both perspectives and form as rational an opinion as I can. I've considered my own reasons for this not being a good thing and they don't include a complete lack of investment. I expect we would be able to invest more than we end up doing, but going far and competing in this competition, as well as the continued domestic competition (bans etc would change the dynamic of this completely though) will still be a thing. We have spent money and a good amount at that, even if it isn't as much as it could have been and even if it has been spent poorly.

Please leave the straw mans and assumptions though, there is no reason we can't play devil's advocate, discuss, debate without being dramatic and bringing up digs about our principles for watching the sport. So dramatic.
 

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I haven't defended the Glazers, you're wrongfully associating the SL with it being pro Glazer, lets stop that association immediately. The SL is it's own thing, not a pro and anti Glazer movement.

And I'm referring to the club tweets that have apparently been put out
Oh, come on. Surely you must be paid for this.

This whole model is made by Americans for American consumer consumption. It's basically the NBA/NFL model for football.

It's so obvious that I think you're trolling or have ulterior motives.
 

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Can't believe we've got to play Madrid again this week, but I'm pumped about Newcastle away next week. It's been a while since we played them.

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Were you ecstatic when you heard we were playing Burnley earlier? Me neither.

The reason the CL has glamour ties is because of two things: their scarcity and because a lot is riding on it. It took a lot of blood, sweat and tears to get there and everything hinges on the result. What is riding on the same fixture when it happens every year and both teams sit 7th and 9th in a league they won’t win?
 

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Great, Lincoln Red Imps won the Gibraltar league last year, get them in the group stage as well, deserved entry.
Congrats on learning how to Google. If you bothered doing any actual research whatsoever you would see that winning the Gilbraltan league earned them a qualifying spot for the Europa League, where they lost to Rangers.

Not dissimilar to Midtjylland, who you tried to mock being in the Champions League, having to get through two qualification rounds before deservedly entering the group stage this season.

TL;DR - you haven't got a fecking clue what you are talking about.
 

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For anyone wondering what the fuss is all about. THIS. IS. IT.

This Super Plastic League is going to absolutely wipe off football's history.



It's been confimed that any participating club will be sent to the lowest division. So maybe you're being a bit ridiculous.
:rolleyes:

Yeah sure mate, that'll teach them when everyones revenue drops.
 

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Football lost its soul a long time ago. The big clubs are run and owned by filthy rich foreign investors, only looking to line their pockets. Players are only as loyal as their next paycheck. FIFA is one of the most corrupt major organizations on earth. Skysports and other TV station are making out like bandits with over priced subscription fees, etc...I don't like the idea of the European Super League one bit. But to see the former players, pundits, and journos ranting and raving about preserving the "purity of the game", and "looking out for the little guy during the pandemic," when they themselves are sitting millions of pounds, earned by participation in a greedy and corrupt game, just reeks of hypocrisy. The super league would just the logical next step for a system which is deeply flawed morally and already beyond repair. Maybe this will all serve to trigger deeper thinking at the governmental level about how to truly protect and preserve the game.
 

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Why even have team names at all? Why even have teams base themselves in countries and cities?

Each team can just be assigned a random collection of numbers and letters, and to save on all that pesky air travel, they'll all be based on an island, let's call it Football Island, and players are cloned and fed on the embryos of failed clones until the reach maturity and can kick a ball about for all our pleasure.
Don’t worry they’ll be franchising and moving around when some rich dickheads wants to have them play in the arse end of China no doubt.
 
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Club statement

"Twelve of Europe’s leading football clubs have today come together to announce they have agreed to establish a new midweek competition, the Super League, governed by its Founding Clubs.
AC Milan, Arsenal FC, Atlético de Madrid, Chelsea FC, FC Barcelona, FC Internazionale Milano, Juventus FC, Liverpool FC, Manchester City, Manchester United, Real Madrid CF and Tottenham Hotspur have all joined as Founding Clubs. It is anticipated that a further three clubs will join ahead of the inaugural season, which is intended to commence as soon as practicable.

Going forward, the Founding Clubs look forward to holding discussions with UEFA and FIFA to work together in partnership to deliver the best outcomes for the new League and for football as a whole.

The formation of the Super League comes at a time when the global pandemic has accelerated the instability in the existing European football economic model. Further, for a number of years, the Founding Clubs have had the objective of improving the quality and intensity of existing European competitions throughout each season, and of creating a format for top clubs and players to compete on a regular basis.

The pandemic has shown that a strategic vision and a sustainable commercial approach are required to enhance value and support for the benefit of the entire European football pyramid. In recent months extensive dialogue has taken place with football stakeholders regarding the future format of European competitions. The Founding Clubs believe the solutions proposed following these talks do not solve fundamental issues, including the need to provide higher-quality matches and additional financial resources for the overall football pyramid.

COMPETITION FORMAT

• 20 participating clubs with 15 Founding Clubs and a qualifying mechanism for a further five teams to qualify annually based on achievements in the prior season.

• Midweek fixtures with all participating clubs continuing to compete in their respective national leagues, preserving the traditional domestic match calendar which remains at the heart of the club game.

• An August start with clubs participating in two groups of ten, playing home and away fixtures, with the top three in each group automatically qualifying for the quarter finals. Teams finishing fourth and fifth will then compete in a two-legged play-off for the remaining quarter-final positions. A two-leg knockout format will be used to reach the final at the end of May, which will be staged as a single fixture at a neutral venue.

As soon as practicable after the start of the men’s competition, a corresponding women’s league will also be launched, helping to advance and develop the women’s game.

The new annual tournament will provide significantly greater economic growth and support for European football via a long-term commitment to uncapped solidarity payments which will grow in line with league revenues. These solidarity payments will be substantially higher than those generated by the current European competition and are expected to be in excess of €10 billion during the course of the initial commitment period of the Clubs.

In addition, the competition will be built on a sustainable financial foundation with all Founding Clubs signing up to a spending framework. In exchange for their commitment, Founding Clubs will receive an amount of €3.5 billion solely to support their infrastructure investment plans and to offset the impact of the COVID pandemic.

Florentino Pérez, President Real Madrid CF and the first Chairman of the Super League said:

“We will help football at every level and take it to its rightful place in the world. Football is the only global sport in the world with more than four billion fans and our responsibility as big clubs is to respond to their desires.”

Backing the new European league, Andrea Agnelli, Chairman of Juventus and Vice-Chairman of the Super League said:

“Our 12 Founder clubs represent billions of fans across the globe and 99 European trophies. We have come together at this critical moment, enabling European competition to be transformed, putting the game we love on a sustainable footing for the long-term future, substantially increasing solidarity, and giving fans and amateur players a regular flow of headline fixtures that will feed their passion for the game while providing them with engaging role models.”

Joel Glazer, Co-Chairman of Manchester United and Vice-Chairman of the Super League said:

“By bringing together the world’s greatest clubs and players to play each other throughout the season, the Super League will open a new chapter for European football, ensuring world-class competition and facilities, and increased financial support for the wider football pyramid.”
 

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How does the UCL being bloated kill European competition ffs? What a load of nonsense
It killed the UEFA Cup and turned it into a chore. They then decided to have a Europa Conference league (worst name ever) even though, no one gives a feck about the Europa League. There's 3 European competitions but only 1 is worthwhile and that 1 is won by the same 4-5 teams.
 

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I think the whole reason for this is to stop Mancity and PSG from happening again. FA and UEFA can cry foul but they let State own football clubs and asked other teams to compete with them. This was bound to happen.

I assume a second tier competition will arrive in due course. With the amount of money involved, it will be ratified after some hue and cry from both FA and UEFA
Yeah I imagine the Champs League will continue as the secondary tournament and the Europa will become that European conference nonsense thats about to be introduced
 

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Isn't that how it should be for the big teams anyway? What the hell is finishing 4th about.
To each his own I guess. Chasing top 4 gave me a reason and made it fun to watch us play every weekend the last 7 years when we had little chance to win it. If the PL becomes like a friendly tournament I'll have no reason to watch and I know many others will feel the same.
 

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In work at 6 tomorrow but this news is keeping me up. Biggest change in football possibly ever? Monumental night for football this.