Gotta love the way Bayern operate, they’re so efficient.
Julian Nagelsmann | Sacked and replaced by Tuchel
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I didn't mention Kimmich so get your facts straight before jumping in
And the fact you mentioned City buying from Arsenal and Chelsea buying from Liverpool just proves the point we're making
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Well. Yay?
Things are moving too fast for me at this club right now.
Things are moving too fast for me at this club right now.
Lots of posters didnt want him at Old Trafford because 'hipster manager'.
Guess he is good enough for Bayern?
Guess he is good enough for Bayern?
What do Bayern know though eh, Caf experts know he is shit, nothing won on his CV etc etc.
Bit better than going to Spurs I guess.
He's the Haaland of coaches imo
Well thats a rather dull move.
I'm not sure if its the norm in Germany, or whether its just Bayern in particular, but they always seem to make these announcements when there's still stuff to play for. Imagine being in a title race and announcing you've nicked your main rival's manager (Yeah i know its all but over, but still)
So the Caf first and second choice are at Bayern and PSG. Perhaps Woodward should be replaced by Caf hive mind. Clearly we are good at this.
Yet highly predictable. The guy is a lifelong Bayern fan and the hottest managerial prospect in the Bundesliga and probably in Europe too.
German clubs appear to be doing their business a lot earlier than some of their international counter parts and once these deals are (getting close to) done they are bound to leak out.
It's not exactly difficult considering how much bigger they are than other German clubs.
It is not announced yet. It's basically leaks and speculations with a clear tendency.
They're operating pretty efficient on the international stage as well as far as I know. It really is a well run club, even I can't deny that.
It was a bit of a surprise he didn't get it last time I think so yeah this time it seemed very likely... far more than him going to spurs
Will be interesting to see how he sets them up tactically next season
They are killing that league, theres nothing to admire about the way they keep their foot on the throat of Germany.
That statement is so overly dramatic and has not much to do with the reality btw.
It's more like clubs like the one I am fan of choke themselves
lots of other examples as well. Bremen, HSV, Stuttgart, Berlin and the list goes on and on.Is it a fair statement? It's not their fault that the rest of the league is inconsistent and it's not their fault that clubs from other large cities have been chronically mismanaged which is a key point when it comes to any domination in sports, big cities have an intrinsic advantage and the fact that Hamburg, Koln, Berlin or even Stuttgart clubs have been a bit embarrassing has created a gap in terms of commercial potential and popular support within Germany.
Now we know why the 12 wanted to flee to the ESL. Bayern domination for the next 20 years is now confirmed.
Well there is still the Europa League.
Well there is still the Europa League.
Theyre taking the best defender and manager from the team who rose up to clear second in the league.That statement is so overly dramatic and has not much to do with the reality btw.
It's more like clubs like the one I am fan of choke themselves
Its too much now.
Because Upamecano would have stayed in Leipzig? It does not harm Leipzig as they would have lost him for the same transfer sum next season anyways.
And Jesse Marsch is waiting on the doorsteps. If he would not go to Leipzig he might have left the Red Bull imperium.
Leipzig knew that they just would be a stepstone for Nagelsmann...
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I think Bayern have a much bigger task at hand than getting a good manager in for 30 mill. Like sorting that wank defense out
Should they actually, consciously do worse, allowing their targets to get away and giving a few domestic titles to their competitors here and there? I always found that criticism of Bayern very weird. Their goal is to be as successful as a club as they can be — and they do that very well. And it's not like it's hurting their standings in European football — they always play well in CL, most notably winning 2 trebles during the past decade.
The criticism should be focused on other clubs — and maybe on the league's management that could've thought of something. But to criticise Bayern for being as efficient and successful as they are?
Most people think Upamecano isn't even the best defender of Leipzig. And he joined Bayern on the basis of a release clause. Nagelsmann isn't even safe with Bayern yet and they might have to pay a record fee.
It really isn't as dramatic as you make it sound. Not even close.
So interesting to see fans of other BL clubs hop into defense for Bayern. Like everyone has accepted that they will dominate the BL for the next decades.
You’re splitting hairs about wording. How can a team become a rival if their stand out player continually leaves to join Bayern.
Exactly. I could actually understand criticism of the Bundesliga because today I don't see how any club will sustainably close the gap with Bayern, they messed up for too long and are now at the mercy of foreign clubs on top of Bayern and in reality foreign clubs are a bigger issue because they are in number, it's not one club taking players and managers but a dozen of them. I mean, isn't it the first time that two of the arguable three best german managers are abroad, their best midfielder is probably Kroos and he is abroad, someone like Ozil has been rotting in a foreign club for several years, same with Draxler. 15-20 years ago these players would have been the core of a team like Werder Bremen and even if Bayern came for one of them, the Buli could provide a solid alternative, nowadays the alternative flee the league and don't come back.
Weak/factually wrong/bad faith argument gets corrected: "How weird, Bundesliga fans defending Bayern again!"
They don't continually leave to join Bayern. They leave to join Barcelona, City, Arsenal, PSG, Liverpool, United, City, Chelsea, Real Madrid and sometimes Bayern. And I'm not splitting hairs, if you can't recognize that we are not talking about rivals then you can't recognize the problem that the Bundesliga is facing, the problem is that Bayern doesn't have rivals and it's not due to Bayern but a far larger issue.
What's factually wrong about that statement?
If Upamecano is their best defender might be up for debate but it's certainly not factually wrong and not really worthy for a Schalke fan to jump on.Ah didn't know he was a Bayren fan.
Might just be me but there's lot of safe manager moves these days. Tuchel going to Chelsea(After leaving PSG), Poch going to PSG, Pep whole career and now Nagelsman to Bayren. Klopp and maybe Conte seems to be the last highly rated managers to have taken a risky jobs.
I hate Bayern with a passion and yet I still am able to think at least a little bit rationally about this topic. Others just seem to have emotions and do not think about what actually happens. I can't wrap my head around people not being able to accept that the main problem in the Bundesliga is finances in general and gross incompetence by many other clubs. Especially when it comes to the latter, people simply look away. Do you have any idea what my club has done or not done? The club's full of crap and had a lot of potential to become/stay top3 in Germany. There are so many clubs underperforming on a regular basis, it's not even funny. And these downfalls have nothing to do with Bayern being able to buy Upamecano due to a release clause which would have otherwise been used by a club like Manchester United or other international giants.
It's a discussion board, right? I can pretty much jump on everything I want to and it's not up to you to decide whether its worthy to me or not.What's factually wrong about that statement?
I agree that the general sentiment about the Bundesliga is lazy.
However a curious feature of the Bundesliga which is absent from other top leagues is that for most other top leagues, even for the top team there are personnel in the league which are unattainable for rivalry or other footballing reasons. For instance Utd can't buy top Liverpool players, Real can't buy top Barca players, etc. But from a distance that doesn't seem to be the case with Bayern. It's the one league I can think of where the top team has been able to buy from literally every team without too much hardship.
Everytime Bayern sign coach/player from Bundesliga clubs, we see the same arguments
Tbf its something that happens in every league, it's just that in PL, La Liga, Serie A there are other clubs strong enough to compete for title, other big players. Bundesliga lack that one team, if Leipzig or Dortmund grow enough to compete with them, then it would be brilliant.
Tbf its something that happens in every league, it's just that in PL, La Liga, Serie A there are other clubs strong enough to compete for title, other big players. Bundesliga lack that one team, if Leipzig or Dortmund grow enough to compete with them, then it would be brilliant.
Every German dreams of Bayern it seems. Admire Klopp for winning Bundesliga twice with Dortmund 10 years ago, it's not easy to do it when you main rival takes most of the best players available in country.
Bayern don't have a meaningful rivalry right now, since their historical rivals are lingering in the lower leagues. What rivalry would Man Utd have in the EPL if Leeds, Man City and Liverpool were all going down next year?
And as for footballing reasons - while clubs are competing with them, there is an undeniable financial and sportive gap, so jumping from Leipzig to Bayern is not comparable to Liverpool > Man Utd or Barca > Real, but rather with Leicester > Man Utd or Sevilla > Real. And those moves happen in the EPL and Spain as well.
I merely mentioned that I find it interesting. Nothing to get all sissy about. The incompetence of other clubs in Germany surely is a big factor for the BL's lack of competition. But transfers like Upamecano and now Nagelsmann are as well. And it's nothing new with Bayern. I don't condemn that. United did it in the PL for many years before other clubs got enough TV money so they weren't forced to sell their best players anymore.
Yeah, I hope Klopp goes back to Dortmund.
Comparing United to Bayern is ridiculous.
It might be that people who didn't want this guy at United factored in that the job isn't comparable to being head coach at Bayern - at all. Rather than just not "rating" him or writing him off as a hipster.
It might be that people who didn't want this guy at United factored in that the job isn't comparable to being head coach at Bayern - at all. Rather than just not "rating" him or writing him off as a hipster.